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Fox News is loudly proclaiming that President Obama has declared War on Traditional Marriage!. Really Fox? Then why were divorce rates among Evangelical and Fundamentalist Christians the highest in the country since before someone even imagined that Gays and Lesbians should be allowed the same right to marry as other people? Those statistics came, by the way from a Evangelical Christian research institute, the Barna Group, in the year 2000:

Denomination (in order of decreasing divorce rate)Non-denominational** 34%

Baptists 29%

Mainline Protestants 25%

Mormons 24%

Catholics 21%

Lutherans 21%

Barna's results verified findings of earlier polls: that conservative Protestant Christians, on average, have the highest divorce rate, while mainline Christians have a much lower rate. They found some new information as well: that atheists and agnostics have the lowest divorce rate of all. George Barna commented that the results raise "questions regarding the effectiveness of how churches minister to families." The data challenge "the idea that churches provide truly practical and life-changing support for marriage." [...]

The data showed that the highest divorce rates were found in the Bible Belt.* "Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama and Oklahoma round out the Top Five in frequency of divorce...the divorce rates in these conservative states are roughly 50 percent above the national average" of 4.2/1000 people.

* Note: Divorce rates were still higher in the Bible Belt as of 2009 according to a

I don't remember much discussion of marriage rights for same sex couples back in 2000, do you? Perhaps among gay activists but not in the national news. Maybe, just maybe, the people who fired the first shot in any so-called war on marriage were conservative Christians, and they were shooting themselves in the foot at that! After all, the divorce rate is lower among (drum roll please) atheists and agnostics than among Christians -- yes, lower even then Catholics!

The Barna Research Group, an evangelical Christian organization that does surveys and research to better understand what Christians believe and how they behave, studied divorce rates in America in 1999 and found surprising evidence that divorce is far lower among atheists than among conservative Christians - exactly the opposite of what they were probably expecting.[...]Barna should, however, acknowledge that the divorce rates for conservative Christians are higher than for liberal Christians. He also doesn't take the further step of acknowledging that perhaps conservative Christianity and conservative religion in general are unable to provide a sound basis for marriage - that perhaps there are other, more secular foundations for marriage that conservative Christians are missing. What might they be? Well, an obvious possibility is treating women like fully autonomous equals in the relationship, something which conservative Christianity frequently denies.

The difference in divorce rates is particularly interesting given the fact that the Christians getting divorced in the highest numbers are among the same Christians who are most likely to raise an alarm about the state of marriage in society. They also tend to be the same Christians who want to deny gays the right to marry on the assumption that gay marriage is a "threat" to the institution of marriage. If marriage is in any danger in America, perhaps the threat comes from the unstable marriages of conservative Christians, not the relationships of gays or the marriages of godless atheists.

Yet I don't see Fox or other right wing news/disinformation outlets claiming atheists pose a "fundamental threat" to marriage, do you? "Gay Marriage" is the supposedly the only danger to marriage among all the "Real Christians" (i.e., the ones who aren't liberal, who by the way also have lower divorce rates than fundamentalists).

You know what? If the Fundies want to save traditional marriage maybe they should all convert to Hinduism. According to a Pew survey in 2008, American Hindus have the lowest divorce rate in the country at 5%. Obviously gay marriage doesn't seem to have affected them much. Just a thought my fundamentalist Christian friends, just a thought.

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/927753/hey_fox,_what_about_this_%22war_on_marriage%22_divorce_rates_are_highest_among_evangelicals/

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Fox News is loudly proclaiming that President Obama has declared War on Traditional Marriage!. Really Fox? Then why were divorce rates among Evangelical and Fundamentalist Christians the highest in the country since before someone even imagined that Gays and Lesbians should be allowed the same right to marry as other people? Those statistics came, by the way from a Evangelical Christian research institute, the Barna Group, in the year 2000:

Denomination (in order of decreasing divorce rate)Non-denominational** 34%

Baptists 29%

Mainline Protestants 25%

Mormons 24%

Catholics 21%

Lutherans 21%

Barna's results verified findings of earlier polls: that conservative Protestant Christians, on average, have the highest divorce rate, while mainline Christians have a much lower rate. They found some new information as well: that atheists and agnostics have the lowest divorce rate of all. George Barna commented that the results raise "questions regarding the effectiveness of how churches minister to families." The data challenge "the idea that churches provide truly practical and life-changing support for marriage." [...]

The data showed that the highest divorce rates were found in the Bible Belt.* "Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama and Oklahoma round out the Top Five in frequency of divorce...the divorce rates in these conservative states are roughly 50 percent above the national average" of 4.2/1000 people.

* Note: Divorce rates were still higher in the Bible Belt as of 2009 according to a

I don't remember much discussion of marriage rights for same sex couples back in 2000, do you? Perhaps among gay activists but not in the national news. Maybe, just maybe, the people who fired the first shot in any so-called war on marriage were conservative Christians, and they were shooting themselves in the foot at that! After all, the divorce rate is lower among (drum roll please) atheists and agnostics than among Christians -- yes, lower even then Catholics!

The Barna Research Group, an evangelical Christian organization that does surveys and research to better understand what Christians believe and how they behave, studied divorce rates in America in 1999 and found surprising evidence that divorce is far lower among atheists than among conservative Christians - exactly the opposite of what they were probably expecting.[...]Barna should, however, acknowledge that the divorce rates for conservative Christians are higher than for liberal Christians. He also doesn't take the further step of acknowledging that perhaps conservative Christianity and conservative religion in general are unable to provide a sound basis for marriage - that perhaps there are other, more secular foundations for marriage that conservative Christians are missing. What might they be? Well, an obvious possibility is treating women like fully autonomous equals in the relationship, something which conservative Christianity frequently denies.

The difference in divorce rates is particularly interesting given the fact that the Christians getting divorced in the highest numbers are among the same Christians who are most likely to raise an alarm about the state of marriage in society. They also tend to be the same Christians who want to deny gays the right to marry on the assumption that gay marriage is a "threat" to the institution of marriage. If marriage is in any danger in America, perhaps the threat comes from the unstable marriages of conservative Christians, not the relationships of gays or the marriages of godless atheists.

Yet I don't see Fox or other right wing news/disinformation outlets claiming atheists pose a "fundamental threat" to marriage, do you? "Gay Marriage" is the supposedly the only danger to marriage among all the "Real Christians" (i.e., the ones who aren't liberal, who by the way also have lower divorce rates than fundamentalists).

You know what? If the Fundies want to save traditional marriage maybe they should all convert to Hinduism. According to a Pew survey in 2008, American Hindus have the lowest divorce rate in the country at 5%. Obviously gay marriage doesn't seem to have affected them much. Just a thought my fundamentalist Christian friends, just a thought.

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/927753/hey_fox,_what_about_this_%22war_on_marriage%22_divorce_rates_are_highest_among_evangelicals/

Nice. :lol:

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Probably a lack of oral skills.

I do not, however, recall anyone making the argument that divorce was a threat to marriage, strange though it seems

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And yet again we see it proven that the facts have a decicedly LIBERAL bias! :rofl:

This should be researched in depth by some good psychologists! My guess is that they would find the answer in the tendency for people most drawn to religion to blame factors outside themselves for both their good as well as their evil tendencies. As in, literally, 'the devil made me do it' kind of thinking. They don't take ownership of their own innate goodness (Good Christian or 'God'-like impulses) or the evil (temptations from the devil) that we all also harbor within. Many conservative Christians I talk with have a hard time understanding how an atheist can act morally without having 'God' in their lives. They can't seem to see that we all have innate morality as part of our core being. Atheists 'own' this tendency rather than projecting it outside of ourselves onto an imaginary being. And by owning both the good and the bad one is much better able to deal responsibly with one's own temptations and moral failings. Just my (semi-informed) opinion. :blush:

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From the same Barna study:

atheists and agnostics have lower rates of marriage and a higher likelihood of cohabitation, a combination of behaviors that distort comparisons with other segments

Another tidbit:

A study of 3,300 cases based on the National Survey of Families and Households, (NSFH) found that in marriage, prior cohabiters are estimated to have a hazard of dissolution that is about 46% higher than for noncohabitors (DeMaris & Rao, 1992).

The facts that Liberals include in their arguments have a liberal bias. Surprise, surprise....

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From the same Barna study:

Another tidbit:

The facts that Liberals include in their arguments have a liberal bias. Surprise, surprise....

The co-habitator study is definately biased. The relation to co-habitation and divorce is not a solid link. By comparing co-habitating groups to non co-habitating groups you actually find your getting a split between demographics, and its the demographic factor that could have greater influence on the divorce rate.

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The co-habitator study is definately biased. The relation to co-habitation and divorce is not a solid link. By comparing co-habitating groups to non co-habitating groups you actually find your getting a split between demographics, and its the demographic factor that could have greater influence on the divorce rate.

It's from the same study cited by the OP. I won't vouche for its bias, or lack thereof.

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And yet again we see it proven that the facts have a decicedly LIBERAL bias! :rofl:

True James, but the problem is that most "liberals" are not liberals. Many things claimed by liberals are anything but liberal.

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It ain't over till gay divorce is legal, also.

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True James, but the problem is that most "liberals" are not liberals. Many things claimed by liberals are anything but liberal.

True that! And most who decry 'socialism' are actually socialist themselves on many issues! The simplicity many seek is simply not there. The truth is we are a very diverse and often inexplicably contradictory lot. Perhaps on a given issue you may find some who are consistently on one side or the other.

 

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