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By Arlina Arshad (AFP) – 5 days ago

JAKARTA — Alarm bells not wedding bells are ringing over Indonesian proposals to demand a 55,000-dollar "security guarantee" from foreign men who marry Indonesian women.

Enraged brides-to-be are threatening to flee the country and marry their boyfriends abroad if the government approves the plan, which is part of a wider marriage law reform being pushed by Muslim conservatives.

And befuddled foreign grooms are asking why they are being targeted when stories of foreign men being exploited by gold-digging women are rife in the Southeast Asian country.

The proposal requires foreign men wishing to wed Muslim women -- it will not apply to Christians or Buddhists or Hindus -- to put a guarantee of 500 million rupiah (55,000 dollars) into a bank.

If the couple divorce, the wife will be entitled to take the money. If they stick together for at least 10 years, they can claim it as "shared property".

"The provision... is intended to protect the rights of women and their children if their husbands neglect, fail to provide for, leave Indonesia secretly... divorce or do anything which harms their interests," the bill says.

Love-struck couples are outraged.

"How ridiculous... the government wants to sell me off," sniffed 36-year-old events organiser Roslina, who is planning to tie the knot with her German boyfriend, Christopher, in September.

"My future husband will pay the amount but that's not the point. We'll definitely marry abroad if this becomes law."

A 24-year-old model who declined to be named said she and her boyfriend, also from Germany, were being unfairly discriminated against.

"It looks like the government has no respect for Indonesian women. It's crazy to penalise only foreign men. Why not charge local men who marry three or four wives but can't afford it?" she said.

Her 39-year-old boyfriend, a banker who declined to give his name, said: "It's a clear statement by the government that it owns its people and it sells them on the meat market."

"Maybe we'll also see catalogues in the future of women who are on the market for sale. Maybe I can open an office abroad and start marketing Indonesian women," he added sarcastically.

Female student Masyita agreed: "People say that love is priceless, but you have to pay a penalty if you fall in love in Indonesia. But don't worry, it's only 500 million rupiah... so cheap, aren't we?"

The proposal, spearheaded by the religious affairs ministry, will be sent to parliament for approval by the end of the year, an official said.

The guarantee is designed to stop foreigners entering fake marriages in order to set up businesses or buy property in their wives' names, and to ensure that women are financially secured against divorce, ministry official Nasaruddin Umar said.

"When the women are no longer of use, it's usually goodbye to them," he added without providing figures or research to back up his statement.

"Marriage is pure and sacred, it shouldn't be tainted by lust or personal interests. We want to protect our women."

The plan has drawn mixed responses from the country's clerics, women's groups and lawmakers.

Clerics in the world's most populous Muslim-majority country have thrown their weight behind the draft bill.

Critics say it will only encourage people to "live in sin" outside of wedlock, leaving women more vulnerable.

"I applaud this proposal. We've heard many cases of foreigners marrying our women and then deserting them and their kids with nothing," Indonesian Council of Ulema chairman Amidhan told AFP.

But lawmaker Iskan Qolba Lubis said: "People want to marry because they're in love so why are we making things difficult for them? It's also discriminatory. We wouldn't be happy if other countries did the same to us."

Nia Schumacher of Melati Worldwide, a group which lobbies for the interests of people in mixed marriages, said the proposal would lead to an exodus of "runaway brides".

"Or the couples may not register their marriages or skip marriage altogether and co-habit instead. Is that what the government wants?" she asked.

Some women's rights activists say the plan treats women like a commodity and discriminates against foreign men.

"We clearly reject the proposal. It lowers the dignity of women and not all foreign men have that much money," Association of Indonesian Women in Multinational Marriages (Srikandi) co-chairwoman Emmylia Hannig said.

"If the basis of the law is to protect women, it should apply to both foreign and local men. There are many cases of local men having several wives and ditching them without giving money," she added.

Roslina said the bill was ruining romances as foreign men walked away from promises.

"My friend has lost a potential husband. She and her French boyfriend had been dating for four years and were planning to get married. But I heard the wedding has been postponed indefinitely," she said.

"The man said he's scared to get married because it's unfair that he needs to pay."

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Well, there's lots of Christian Churches in Indonesia, the women there can convert. Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezie(s) .


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Well, there's lots of Christian Churches in Indonesia, the women there can convert. Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezie(s) .

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Well, there's lots of Christian Churches in Indonesia, the women there can convert. Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezie(s) .

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I see this as a ploy to try and prevent Muslim Women from seeking a better life with a person who would love them for who they are and not persecute them becasue they are a woman in the muslim society.

I could be wrong becasue I am not muslim nor have extensive knowledge of the religeon but everything I read the woman is not neccessarily given equality.

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I don't think this is that likely to pass, I could be wrong though. Some of the rural areas of Indonesia are still rather conservative.

But as mentioned in the article there are ways around it, from "converting" to another religion or getting married in Singapore. I think it will end up backfiring pretty badly.

Too bad this will most likely apply to legal marriages, not religious ones were men marry a multi women or marry them for a weekend (Sort of Muslim version of prostitution, popular with Arab men).


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No, but you can rent it... :whistle:

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"My future husband will pay the amount but that's not the point. We'll definitely marry abroad if this becomes law."

I don't get this. Why would her fiance pay the $55k now when this law hasn't passed, but they will marry abroad if it does? And to whom would he be paying it?


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I was vacationing in my country last year when i heard about this. The lamest plan ever!!! Our Government trying to sell us to foreign men...what could possibly worst than that???headbonk.gif Pathetic!!!! I dont know what they're thinking... it just makes our country look so bad....sad!

Oh and about Women can convert their religion, in my opinion, that could happen anywhere since it depends on individual! It isnt the church who decides... The church definitely would not want its member to convert but its totally up to the person, isnt so???

Anyhoo..i really really really hope this stupid retarded plan of my Government would not be heard no more and buried, they got more important stuff to do than noseying about people love relationship.....ough!!!

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...Just so long as they don't invest it in BP stock while they wait for the 10 years to be upwhistling.gif


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I had typed up a long response. Then I deleted it. The hell I care about Indonesia. They can rot in hell for all I care.


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If the couple divorce, the wife will be entitled to take the money. If they stick together for at least 10 years, they can claim it as "shared property".

"It looks like the government has no respect for Indonesian women. It's crazy to penalise only foreign men. Why not charge local men who marry three or four wives but can't afford it?" she said.

A security deposit on an Indonesian wife seems like some kind misplaced nationalism. 10 years is a long time as on average, if there's a divorce, it happens in the first 4 years of marriage if it matches the American pattern.

Seems to be the typical "those foreign guys are loaded with money" and desperate to marry the local women attitude.

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The government there should just have a auction set up in the town squares and sell the woman off to the highest bidders.

...yep, just as long as they set aside one day a month as "Sadie Hawkins Day*"

*Fictional holiday in the comic strip "L'il Abner" where there was a foot race where the men would get a head start and any woman who caught a man would get to marry him.


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