please help me about visa 1 i have some question

[Golden Gate 530]

well we know each otrher for 4 months and yes we will have a lot of prove like pic and card and stuff like that

I think it is good to get to know each other longer. Four months isn't a long time. Even on the U.S. Visa website, it advises American Citizens to take time to get to know that person, and suggests at least a year. So, I think they will consider this to be too short a time to be serious enough.

Edited March 12, 2010 by Golden Gate

[Mark and Carol 4]

Fair enough. I am very open minded, and do get easily offended when I see/hear comments that I veiw as close minded or ignorant. I am not educated on other customs and really dont have the right to an opinion in this matter. I guess I should be more aware that there are many users on this board, from all over the world and that not all have my upbringing. Im Canadian and therefore just assume that the processes are the same. I would just like to believe that at no time does age ( unless illegal ) come into play between two people who love each other.

There is 23 years difference between my fiancee and myself. I'm a little concerned about it, but I don't think it will cause any problems because I have plenty of evidence of our relationship. The USCIS could care less about the age difference, but the consulate does... depending on which country you are applying. I agree with you and I think everyone else does too, that age should not matter if two people are in love.

Cudos to you for understanding the comments from JimVaPhuong.

[zaytoona 8]

I dunno - I don't want to personally attack you, or delve into the concept of 'specifics to Morocco', but - I will ask of you - when you make time to 'get back on that other portal' - inquire specifically about age-gap couples in Morocco where the MAN is a single, Muslim, moroccan national, under 30 years of age, and the US Citizen is caucasian female, non-muslim, no concept of coverting, over age 40.

IMO, it's a totally different demographic, ya? also, IMO, yer trying to compare apples to oranges here, and it just won't wash.

But - forget all I've said here, for the nonce. Go do yer own research, on that other portal, inquire about 'red flags'. I'm hoping you'll be able to learn something about ppls experiences in Morocco.

Thank you. That definitely needed to be said.

[Badgerella 5]

There is a difference between insulting and/or judging people because of the age difference, considering the gap a problem for god knows what reasons, or simply stating the fact that it might affect the outcome of a visa process, especially in certain countries and their respective high-fraud embassies.

Nobody here was saying that the OP's, or anyone else's relationship was not genuine and I am fairly sure that nobody cares. It's just that it MIGHT be a problem at the Embassy in Morocco. Just like it might be a problem in China or [name another hard-to-pass-the-interview consulate].

Being basically forced to explain one's relationship to the greatest of details in front of some CO is another problem, too and has next to nothing to do with the OP's original question.

Needless to say that marrying someone from Canada or Australia is a lot easier than marrying someone from those already mentioned high fraud countries. In terms of immigration, that is.

[HeatDeath 431]

I am in an age gap relationship, he is 25, I am almost 40. I read up on the notes here before we started, and in an interview with an immigration officer, a question was asked .....

The government doesnt care about your ages, only that you have a valid relationship.

Those of us processing through a Consulate in Canada are ridiculously, stupidly, miraculously fortunate that the US and Canada have such a close relationship, and that our process is literally obscenely easy compared to that of virtually anyone outside of North American and Western Europe. While the USCIS paperwork is virtually identical, the consulate processes can be as different as the countries they occur in, and not for the good. Many consulates are arbitrary and almost totally indifferent - some would even say capricious and cruel. They see much higher rates of relationship and visa fraud, and this causes many of them to tend to assume that most family visa applicants, and in some places even the US citizen petitioner, are guilty until proven innocent. If they see in the petition even the slightest deviation from their interpretation of the local cultural norm, they conduct that interview as a premeditated fishing expedition in search of even the slightest reason to deny. Without very careful preparation on the part of both the petitioner and the beneficiary, they will virtually always find one.

I posted a topic in the Canada sub-forum about "Canadian guilt": the phenomenon of feeling slighty uneasy at how easy we Canadians get through this process compared to the hells many MENA, Latin American, and "Muslim Belt" couples go through. I didn't meet with a huge amount of sympathy

[belinda63 3,057]

Looking at this through the eyes of immigration:

1. Major age difference in a country where it is culturally not accepted.

2. Short relationship time.

3 Low income on the part of the petitioner (could give the idea there is money being exchanged for a green card).

I am not judging anyone, I am just trying to show how the interviewer will view it. There are people on this board who petitioned for fiance/spouses from Morocco and had very legitimate relationships and were denied visas. It is a high fraud country.

[zaytoona 8]

At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to read the US Consulate reviews for Casablanca.

US Consulate Casablanca Reviews

As a member of this portal, it is extremely uneasy reading reviews that give one deny after another. I don't believe my fiance and I have any red flags and I am still a bit terrified. So yes, it DOES vary from country to country.

[christeen 966]

I agree that issues of age DO come into play depending on the consulate. No necessarily morally, but in the eyes of the ones who will be making the decisions... Casa has a very long history of denials and making things difficult on couples who are outside the social norms. A man under age 30 marrying a woman over 40 (outside of childbearing years) is a HUGE redflag at that consulate. As far as judging if it is wrong or right, that is not what the issue is... The OP asked if it would be a problem and the simple answer is YES, it will be an issue... Not that it cannot be overcome, but it will come into play here...

The 4 months together and the low income are additional red flags and the circumstances in totality make for a difficult case at this particular consulate. The OP should be prepared to prove their relationship beyond a shadow of a doubt... so I can suggest that they read past experiences from Casa to get an idea of what they are up against.

The process is very stressful and even more so when there are obvious red flags... So preparation is key...

[Boiler 49,001]

From what I have seen on this site I would have thought this case was the norm, in fact I can not remember any that did not meet this profile.

[pushbrk 14,560]

From what I have seen on this site I would have thought this case was the norm, in fact I can not remember any that did not meet this profile.

VJ members represent an extremely small percentage of total cases for any Consulate.

The "norm" in Casablanca is denied fiance and spouse visas.

[HeatDeath 431]

VJ members represent an extremely small percentage of total cases for any Consulate.

The "norm" in Casablanca is denied fiance and spouse visas.

One thing to remember about these difficult consulates, is that they think that they are doing a good thing. They sincerely believe, in the specific case of younger MENA men and older USC women, that they are protecting these American women from devious, conniving, desperate third-world "heartbreaker" con artists. The beneficiaries, in their eyes, are certainly guilty until proven innocent. And in an incredibly condescending attitude, when they are indifferent or even hostile to the wishes of the older female USC, they see themselves as protecting the USC petitioners from themselves, whether they have permission to or not.

My USC wife, who is no fan of bureaucratic paperwork, so whom I've done my best to insulate from the worst of this immigration process, once asked me why we had to do the Removal of Conditions after two years. I explained to her that it was really for her protection - that if I was a desperate third world con artist I might be willing to pretend to love her and stay married long enough to get through AOS, but that having to maintain a ruse like that for two years discourages a lot of desperate people who would otherwise give it a shot to get a GC. She felt, and rightly so, that it was a fairly condescending way for the government to treat the spouses of potential immigrants, but that the wisdom of it wasn't entirely misplaced. These difficult consulates just take the paternalism and condescension to a whole 'nother level.

Edited March 13, 2010 by HeatDeath

[pushbrk 14,560]

One thing to remember about these difficult consulates, is that they think that they are doing a good thing. They sincerely believe, in the specific case of younger MENA men and older USC women, that they are protecting these American women from devious, conniving, desperate third-world "heartbreaker" con artists. The beneficiaries, in their eyes, are certainly guilty until proven innocent. And in an incredibly condescending attitude, when they are indifferent or even hostile to the wishes of the older female USC, they see themselves as protecting the USC petitioners from themselves, whether they have permission to or not.

My USC wife, who is no fan of bureaucratic paperwork, so whom I've done my best to insulate from the worst of this immigration process, once asked me why we had to do the Removal of Conditions after two years. I explained to her that it was really for her protection - that if I was a desperate third world con artist I might be willing to pretend to love her and stay married long enough to get through AOS, but that having to maintain a ruse like that for two years discourages a lot of desperate people who would otherwise give it a shot to get a GC. She felt, and rightly so, that it was a fairly condescending way for the government to treat the spouses of potential immigrants, but that the wisdom of it wasn't entirely misplaced. These difficult consulates just take the paternalism and condescension to a whole 'nother level.

Some Conoffs MAY be thinking they are protecting the USC petitioners but that's not their job or their primary focus. Their job, which they take very seriously, is to enforce US Immigration laws by denying visas to those who use fiance and spouse relationships with USC's to circumvent our laws. They are protecting our National sovereignty, enforcing our borders and helping to maintain our National security. Any individual protection afforded the petitioner is incidental to the reasons they do their job.

[Kathryn41 3,207]

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