Question about "the two people must have met in person within the past two years" rule,

[*julez* 124]

I was wondering about the you must met in person within the past two years ordeal for the K1-Visa process.

My situation is that I met my fiance from Spain online through Myspace Sept 07. Then we start to getting to know each other, and the relationship turn into a love relationship, then met her in June 08 in Europe, then she come to USA to visit in Sept of 08 til Dec 08, then I come to visit her and family in Spain Dec 19, 2008 til Jan 5, 2009 (this was when I ask her to marry me). She's coming again in March of this year (09), then I'm flying back with her to Spain in June of this year 2009.

With the "the two people must have met in person within the past two years" rule, am I eligible to file a petition for the K1 visa for my fiance in July 2009 since from July 07-July 09 we will have met a total of 5 times? Or I have to wait til Sept 2009 to file because that was when we met online Sept of 07?

Thanks for your help.

Success in the visa process requires the ability to read carefully, interpret literally and answer honestly and accurately. This will be critical many times in the process. If your language skills are not sufficient to understand the requirement to meet within the past two years, you are likely to need assistance from somebody with better skills, whether an attorney, friend or family member.

Perhaps it would be best if you just stuck to anwering the question that is asked rather than providing unsolicited, condescending advice.

[Minya's wife 25]

Push, no reason to be condescending. Why not try actually answering the OP's question....since that's what this forum is for right?

DAY937,

The 'must have met in person within the past two years' rule outlines the eligibility to file the I-129F petition. In order to be eligible, you must have met face-to-face with your fiancee at least once in the two years before you file your petition. How this applies to your specific situation? The last time you saw your fiancee was January 5, 2009, right? You can file your petition any time from now until January of 2011(2 years) and you will be eligible.

Good luck,

-P

[Otto 83]

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Edited January 15, 2009 by Karin und Otto

[Sinergy 3]

Jesus pushbrk --- do you need to reply in such a condescending way to the poster? Get off your high horse, that was utterly rude and uncalled for.

I agree...in a nice way he just called the OP illiterate. As i said, its prolly ppl are just reading the requirment too fast and not understanding it to the fullest.

I do agree with reading everything carefully and slowly.

I agree with reading carefully of course - but this process is hard enough on folks to top it off with a welcoming "you are an idiot who cannot read" addendum; don't you think?

Skill =

1. the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc., to do something well: Carpentry was one of his many skills.

2. competent excellence in performance; expertness; dexterity: The dancers performed with skill.

Literate =

1. able to read and write.

2. having or showing knowledge of literature, writing, etc.; literary; well-read.

Intelligence =

1. The capacity to acquire and apply knowledge.

2. The faculty of thought and reason.

I referred to what I think is quite franky a pretty specialized "skill" not present in quite a large percentage of literate, intelligent people, one that even many college graduates with responsible management and other positions have not yet developed. I made no comment about literacy or intelligence. Those who interpreted otherwise, have not read carefully and interpreted literally.

No...you called the OP and idiot...and just lined it out even more clear

[pushbrk 14,556]

Push, no reason to be condescending. Why not try actually answering the OP's question....since that's what this forum is for right?

DAY937,

The 'must have met in person within the past two years' rule outlines the eligibility to file the I-129F petition. In order to be eligible, you must have met face-to-face with your fiancee at least once in the two years before you file your petition. How this applies to your specific situation? The last time you saw your fiancee was January 5, 2009, right? You can file your petition any time from now until January of 2011(2 years) and you will be eligible.

Good luck,

-P

It's a fair question. The OP's specific question had already been answered, but no, I don't agree that the purpose of the forum is to answer questions. It's certainly one of the purposes but the real purpose is for people to get the help they need to have a successful visa process. If that were limited to asking questions and getting answers, the success would be limited. When attempting something new and complicated, people don't yet know what they don't know, so they don't know what to ask.

My suggestion was a sincere effort to assist the OP or any other reader to have a successful visa process and I stand by it as not only valid and sincere but actually "critical" to success. All those who read something else into it are just off base. I meant exactly what I said, nothing more, nothing less and I've said it before and will say it again because it in fact IS a critical issue.

[Sinergy 3]

Push, no reason to be condescending. Why not try actually answering the OP's question....since that's what this forum is for right?

DAY937,

The 'must have met in person within the past two years' rule outlines the eligibility to file the I-129F petition. In order to be eligible, you must have met face-to-face with your fiancee at least once in the two years before you file your petition. How this applies to your specific situation? The last time you saw your fiancee was January 5, 2009, right? You can file your petition any time from now until January of 2011(2 years) and you will be eligible.

Good luck,

-P

It's a fair question. The OP's specific question had already been answered, but no, I don't agree that the purpose of the forum is to answer questions. It's certainly one of the purposes but the real purpose is for people to get the help they need to have a successful visa process. If that were limited to asking questions and getting answers, the success would be limited. When attempting something new and complicated, people don't yet know what they don't know, so they don't know what to ask.

My suggestion was a sincere effort to assist the OP or any other reader to have a successful visa process and I stand by it as not only valid and sincere but actually "critical" to success. All those who read something else into it are just off base. I meant exactly what I said, nothing more, nothing less and I've said it before and will say it again because it in fact IS a critical issue.

so EVERYONE who has read it is off base? not you? you called him an idiot in a nice way not to break the TOS, as you do whenever you insult anyone on VJ. Your being called out on it, and you dont like it.

All you had to do was answer his question, he didnt need the condesending remarks along with it. and as you sd, his question had already been answered, so why do you feel the need to belittle ppl even after they already recieved their answer? something you should prolly work on, answering questions without insults.

[pushbrk 14,556]

Push, no reason to be condescending. Why not try actually answering the OP's question....since that's what this forum is for right?

DAY937,

The 'must have met in person within the past two years' rule outlines the eligibility to file the I-129F petition. In order to be eligible, you must have met face-to-face with your fiancee at least once in the two years before you file your petition. How this applies to your specific situation? The last time you saw your fiancee was January 5, 2009, right? You can file your petition any time from now until January of 2011(2 years) and you will be eligible.

Good luck,

-P

It's a fair question. The OP's specific question had already been answered, but no, I don't agree that the purpose of the forum is to answer questions. It's certainly one of the purposes but the real purpose is for people to get the help they need to have a successful visa process. If that were limited to asking questions and getting answers, the success would be limited. When attempting something new and complicated, people don't yet know what they don't know, so they don't know what to ask.

My suggestion was a sincere effort to assist the OP or any other reader to have a successful visa process and I stand by it as not only valid and sincere but actually "critical" to success. All those who read something else into it are just off base. I meant exactly what I said, nothing more, nothing less and I've said it before and will say it again because it in fact IS a critical issue.

so EVERYONE who has read it is off base? not you? you called him an idiot in a nice way not to break the TOS, as you do whenever you insult anyone on VJ. Your being called out on it, and you dont like it.

All you had to do was answer his question, he didnt need the condesending remarks along with it. and as you sd, his question had already been answered, so why do you feel the need to belittle ppl even after they already recieved their answer? something you should prolly work on, answering questions without insults.

I don't think the OP is an idiot. I think there's a good possibility he or she will need the assistance of somebody with more of the combined skill of reading carefully and interpreting literally. Many highly intelligent people need similar assistance. Yes, anybody who failed to read carefully and interpret literally sufficient to think I was so much as questioning the OP's intelligence, is WAY off base.

[Otto 83]

so EVERYONE who has read it is off base?

I didn't read it the way everyone did...

[Minya's wife 25]

Push, no reason to be condescending. Why not try actually answering the OP's question....since that's what this forum is for right?

DAY937,

The 'must have met in person within the past two years' rule outlines the eligibility to file the I-129F petition. In order to be eligible, you must have met face-to-face with your fiancee at least once in the two years before you file your petition. How this applies to your specific situation? The last time you saw your fiancee was January 5, 2009, right? You can file your petition any time from now until January of 2011(2 years) and you will be eligible.

Good luck,

-P

It's a fair question. The OP's specific question had already been answered, but no, I don't agree that the purpose of the forum is to answer questions. It's certainly one of the purposes but the real purpose is for people to get the help they need to have a successful visa process. If that were limited to asking questions and getting answers, the success would be limited. When attempting something new and complicated, people don't yet know what they don't know, so they don't know what to ask.

My suggestion was a sincere effort to assist the OP or any other reader to have a successful visa process and I stand by it as not only valid and sincere but actually "critical" to success. All those who read something else into it are just off base. I meant exactly what I said, nothing more, nothing less and I've said it before and will say it again because it in fact IS a critical issue.

so EVERYONE who has read it is off base? not you? you called him an idiot in a nice way not to break the TOS, as you do whenever you insult anyone on VJ. Your being called out on it, and you dont like it.

All you had to do was answer his question, he didnt need the condesending remarks along with it. and as you sd, his question had already been answered, so why do you feel the need to belittle ppl even after they already recieved their answer? something you should prolly work on, answering questions without insults.

I don't think the OP is an idiot. I think there's a good possibility he or she will need the assistance of somebody with more of the combined skill of reading carefully and interpreting literally. Many highly intelligent people need similar assistance. Yes, anybody who failed to read carefully and interpret literally sufficient to think I was so much as questioning the OP's intelligence, is WAY off base.

From your initial response:

If your language skills are not sufficient to understand the requirement to meet within the past two years, you are likely to need assistance from somebody with better skills, whether an attorney, friend or family member.

The OP's misunderstanding of a requirement does not necessarily mean faulty(inadequate) language skills. It could very well have been that he read too quickly and went off on an unnecessary tangent because of it. It was the tone of your statement that was condescending....you may not have meant to insult the OP's intelligence, but that's how it came across...to me at least.

-P

Edited January 15, 2009 by Minya's wife

[pushbrk 14,556]

Push, no reason to be condescending. Why not try actually answering the OP's question....since that's what this forum is for right?

DAY937,

The 'must have met in person within the past two years' rule outlines the eligibility to file the I-129F petition. In order to be eligible, you must have met face-to-face with your fiancee at least once in the two years before you file your petition. How this applies to your specific situation? The last time you saw your fiancee was January 5, 2009, right? You can file your petition any time from now until January of 2011(2 years) and you will be eligible.

Good luck,

-P

It's a fair question. The OP's specific question had already been answered, but no, I don't agree that the purpose of the forum is to answer questions. It's certainly one of the purposes but the real purpose is for people to get the help they need to have a successful visa process. If that were limited to asking questions and getting answers, the success would be limited. When attempting something new and complicated, people don't yet know what they don't know, so they don't know what to ask.

My suggestion was a sincere effort to assist the OP or any other reader to have a successful visa process and I stand by it as not only valid and sincere but actually "critical" to success. All those who read something else into it are just off base. I meant exactly what I said, nothing more, nothing less and I've said it before and will say it again because it in fact IS a critical issue.

so EVERYONE who has read it is off base? not you? you called him an idiot in a nice way not to break the TOS, as you do whenever you insult anyone on VJ. Your being called out on it, and you dont like it.

All you had to do was answer his question, he didnt need the condesending remarks along with it. and as you sd, his question had already been answered, so why do you feel the need to belittle ppl even after they already recieved their answer? something you should prolly work on, answering questions without insults.

I don't think the OP is an idiot. I think there's a good possibility he or she will need the assistance of somebody with more of the combined skill of reading carefully and interpreting literally. Many highly intelligent people need similar assistance. Yes, anybody who failed to read carefully and interpret literally sufficient to think I was so much as questioning the OP's intelligence, is WAY off base.

From your initial response:

If your language skills are not sufficient to understand the requirement to meet within the past two years, you are likely to need assistance from somebody with better skills, whether an attorney, friend or family member.

The OP's misunderstanding of a requirement does not necessarily mean faulty(inadequate) language skills. It could very well have been that he read too quickly and went off on an unnecessary tangent because of it. It was the tone of your statement that was condescending....you may not have meant to insult the OP's intelligence, but that's how it came across...to me at least.

-P

That is correct. Did you read too quickly to notice the word "likely"? It's use, acknowledges "not necessarily". Further, the need for assistance from somebody with specific language skills does not classify one's own skills as "faulty" in any way and certainly implies absolutely nothing about their intelligence. (kind of like the meeting requirements for a K1 visa have absolutely nothing to do with how long the couple has been acquainted) As I've already explained. I'm referring to a specific skill that is far from universal even among people with above average or high intelligence. Most of us, just really don't have to read and understand documents writted by attorneys employed by bureaucrats until we're thrust into it during the visa process.

Edited January 15, 2009 by pushbrk

[Ban Hammer 15,230]

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^^^^ best answer so far in this thread.

[FCH 1]

I was wondering about the you must met in person within the past two years ordeal for the K1-Visa process.

My situation is that I met my fiance from Spain online through Myspace Sept 07. Then we start to getting to know each other, and the relationship turn into a love relationship, then met her in June 08 in Europe, then she come to USA to visit in Sept of 08 til Dec 08, then I come to visit her and family in Spain Dec 19, 2008 til Jan 5, 2009 (this was when I ask her to marry me). She's coming again in March of this year (09), then I'm flying back with her to Spain in June of this year 2009.

With the "the two people must have met in person within the past two years" rule, am I eligible to file a petition for the K1 visa for my fiance in July 2009 since from July 07-July 09 we will have met a total of 5 times? Or I have to wait til Sept 2009 to file because that was when we met online Sept of 07?

Thanks for your help.

Success in the visa process requires the ability to read carefully, interpret literally and answer honestly and accurately. This will be critical many times in the process. If your language skills are not sufficient to understand the requirement to meet within the past two years, you are likely to need assistance from somebody with better skills, whether an attorney, friend or family member.

Jesus pushbrk --- do you need to reply in such a condescending way to the poster? Get off your high horse, that was utterly rude and uncalled for.

I agree...in a nice way he just called the OP illiterate. As i said, its prolly ppl are just reading the requirment too fast and not understanding it to the fullest.

I do agree with reading everything carefully and slowly.

and yes i agree too. that was insulting to the OP. he just wanted to be sure. and dont we all?

[Sinergy 3]

so EVERYONE who has read it is off base?

I didn't read it the way everyone did...

good thing i was talking about the ppl who had already posted

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

I was wondering about the you must met in person within the past two years ordeal for the K1-Visa process.

My situation is that I met my fiance from Spain online through Myspace Sept 07. Then we start to getting to know each other, and the relationship turn into a love relationship, then met her in June 08 in Europe, then she come to USA to visit in Sept of 08 til Dec 08, then I come to visit her and family in Spain Dec 19, 2008 til Jan 5, 2009 (this was when I ask her to marry me). She's coming again in March of this year (09), then I'm flying back with her to Spain in June of this year 2009.

With the "the two people must have met in person within the past two years" rule, am I eligible to file a petition for the K1 visa for my fiance in July 2009 since from July 07-July 09 we will have met a total of 5 times? Or I have to wait til Sept 2009 to file because that was when we met online Sept of 07?

Thanks for your help.

Success in the visa process requires the ability to read carefully, interpret literally and answer honestly and accurately. This will be critical many times in the process. If your language skills are not sufficient to understand the requirement to meet within the past two years, you are likely to need assistance from somebody with better skills, whether an attorney, friend or family member.

Sorry, But I have to agree Pushbrk gives good advice. It is the (unvarnished) truth. But I will also note the original question was asked by someone who joined today...and this IS the place to ask the questions. It will take lots of study and interpretation to understand the rules and do it yourself...but it can certainly be done. If a person is the type to pay H&R Block to do a 1040A, then best leave the visa process to a professional. But if one can invest some considerable time studying the process here, in the forums and sample forms, you will do fine.

You easily meet the qualifications for meeting in person, study the guides and sample forms and file for your K-1 when you are ready. If Pushbrk sounds blunt, it is because he is blunt, but better to hear it here than with endless RFE's and months and months of delays.

Don't go overboard in presenting evidence of meeting, you only need to give plausible evidence you met one time in the last two years. Some boarding passes, copies of passport stamps and a couple of photos together are all you need, plus a good answer to question 18 describing how you met. You will need more at the interview, save all the rest for then. For the petition, one meeting is enough.

Some consulates scrutinize "online meeting" more than others. Start compiling your phone records, email logs (you do NOT need a copy of every email) travel documents for your other meetings, etc., so you will have it for the interview.

[TimandJoyce 1]

I was wondering about the you must met in person within the past two years ordeal for the K1-Visa process.

My situation is that I met my fiance from Spain online through Myspace Sept 07. Then we start to getting to know each other, and the relationship turn into a love relationship, then met her in June 08 in Europe, then she come to USA to visit in Sept of 08 til Dec 08, then I come to visit her and family in Spain Dec 19, 2008 til Jan 5, 2009 (this was when I ask her to marry me). She's coming again in March of this year (09), then I'm flying back with her to Spain in June of this year 2009.

With the "the two people must have met in person within the past two years" rule, am I eligible to file a petition for the K1 visa for my fiance in July 2009 since from July 07-July 09 we will have met a total of 5 times? Or I have to wait til Sept 2009 to file because that was when we met online Sept of 07?

Thanks for your help.

Day937,

If you get the chance to come back and read this, don't worry about what other people say!! I bet you're very skilled!! Unlike me, that is obviously not very intelligent because, I too, thought it needed to be a TWO YEAR RELATIONSHIP! Little did I know, Tim and I could have filed almost 2 years ago. (course, still need that "will you marry me" question) It just so happened that like you, we spent LOTS of time together to be sure of each other, and he didn't ask me "the question" until Oct. 2008. We have quite the file that we sent in! So I suggest, get things in order, fill out the appropriate files (lots of help in the guides section for that ) and ASK QUESTIONS!!! No such thing as a silly question!! Gracious, we're all dealing with something very important to us, and although I can't speak for the rest of everyone on here, I myself am going crazy knowing that my marriage to the man I love is resting in the hands of someone that's never met us!! You bet I want to be sure that the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed!!

Let us all know how your journey is going....and congratulations on your engagement!!