The voice of the survivor of Islamic terror

[Ban Hammer 12,837]

Whenever most of us hear the phrase "For God and for Country" we immediately think of the US military.

Many of the men and women in armed service are told (and believe) that they are serving and protecting "God and Country".

The troops sent to Iraq were not sent to engage an Iraq army, but to inflict Shock & Awe on civilians.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Ask the 12 year old Iraqi boy if he's looked into the barrel of US freedom fighters.

...the list just got very long.

strange i never heard that in my 20 years in the military, my 18 years as a navy brat, nor my 8 years as an army contractor.

[merijan 0]

Denial is on of the biggest problems with moderate Muslims.

I agree....but not just the problem of moderate Muslims.....nobody reads or researches or learns....really. I am not a religious person, I'm not...but Islam scares the #### out of me.

Ignorant people scare the #### out of me.

[merijan 0]

you said: But answer me this. What other religion forcibly makes people convert, beheads people for their religious beliefs, or nationality, and will not be happy until all other religious beliefs are extinguished?

MY ANSWER:

I dont know please tell me what religion does that??? Because that is NOT Islam.

Well... that's not entirely true. There are members who claim to practice Islam and they're often quite violent. That doesn't mean all Muslims are necessarily bad or that the religion itself promotes such violence, but there are plenty of Muslims who do.

Maybe the core of Islam is not a violent religion, but it's obviously been twisted over the years. So have most religions. Look at Christianity -- Jesus spoke of peace. So what did hardcore believers do? They eventually created the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition. Did either of those hold true to the core beliefs of Christianity? Nope! So it's not difficult to believe that Islam is in the same state: It's become something other than originally intended by hardcore followers.

Here's my take on it for what THAT's worth: The US is made up of many different religions. Sure the majority is Christian but when the US bombs the heck out of a country you don't really hear "down with Christianity" and when the US is threatened by another nation you don't see people waving signs saying anyone who is against Christianity should be killed, because US does not equal Christianity.

When you look at other countries like Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Saudi, they are Islamic nations so the nation itself is looked upon as a representation of Islam and when people threaten those nations they are looked upon as threatening Islam.

It's political is what I"m trying to say. Does that make sense to anyone? It has nothing to do with the religion but everything to do with politics and it so happens that because some countries are lead by their religion, unfortunately religion gets tied in the middle of it all.

Unfortunately people brainwash and use "religion" for their own political agendas. My husband was a photojournalist in Pakistan for many years. He can tell you how the media loves to manipulate many situations to look like something else. And obviously the majority of people on this thread love to watch Fox news...

Denial is on of the biggest problems with moderate Muslims.

I agree....but not just the problem of moderate Muslims.....nobody reads or researches or learns....really. I am not a religious person, I'm not...but Islam scares the #### out of me.

i don't know why

I thought you were more informed than that charles...guess I was wrong

[Ban Hammer 12,837]

Denial is on of the biggest problems with moderate Muslims.

I agree....but not just the problem of moderate Muslims.....nobody reads or researches or learns....really. I am not a religious person, I'm not...but Islam scares the #### out of me.

i don't know why

I thought you were more informed than that charles...guess I was wrong

[merijan 0]

Denial is on of the biggest problems with moderate Muslims.

I agree....but not just the problem of moderate Muslims.....nobody reads or researches or learns....really. I am not a religious person, I'm not...but Islam scares the #### out of me.

i don't know why

I thought you were more informed than that charles...guess I was wrong

whatever charles..

[MARM 7]

Here we are talking about Islam today, a sensitive issue and one that is not to be joked around about...especially in the context of this thread. Yet is is very SAD to notice that people here cannot even respect each others religion, forget about stating an informed opinion...charles!, I am saying this in response to your comments.

Having so much experience serving the country and the military should have at least taught you to respect others as much as you want to be respected, but from your comments it seems as if you could not care less, which is up to you of course, you don't have to respect religion, but it makes me wonder what it is that you have to be proud of after so many years of military experience. You are an example of American politics.

[MARM 7]

Denial is on of the biggest problems with moderate Muslims.

Denial of what?

Do you mean to tell me that you are saying that "moderate Muslims deny that Islam is a religion of force and terror?" You better make yourself clear, because if I am correct in understanding your statement, you have NO IDEA what you are talking about...IGNORANCE is the biggest problem with non-Muslims today. Islam is a religion of peace and harmony, but you would not know that because you allow yourself to be fed by the media and do not care to do your own research and find out what Islam really is about. Have you talked to any Muslims? Have any experience dealing with Muslims? Read a translation of the Quran? Have any Muslim acquaintances? Read Islamic history? Have you done anything with respect to this matter OTHER THAN watch the news and follow the media? I guess not.

Once again, bottom line:

IGNORANCE is the biggest problem with non-Muslims today.

Edited January 1, 2009 by MARM

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Here we are talking about Islam today, a sensitive issue and one that is not to be joked around about...especially in the context of this thread. Yet is is very SAD to notice that people here cannot even respect each others religion, forget about stating an informed opinion...charles!, I am saying this in response to your comments.

Having so much experience serving the country and the military should have at least taught you to respect others as much as you want to be respected, but from your comments it seems as if you could not care less, which is up to you of course, you don't have to respect religion, but it makes me wonder what it is that you have to be proud of after so many years of military experience. You are an example of American politics.

When I hear from a huge majority of Muslim's/Islamist's that they will not stand for the extremists in their midst, and actually see them actively demonstrating, turning in terrorists to proper authorities, etc. then I will 'respect' their right to their religion. Until then, they are supporters of the likes of Al Quida and therefor suspect.

Don't be sensitive about being a Muslim, stand up and declare that these people have hijacked the religion. If not, then why not? I just don't see any doing that. Only hearing it is politically incorrect to say anything in wrong with Islam...

[Ban Hammer 12,837]

Here we are talking about Islam today, a sensitive issue and one that is not to be joked around about...especially in the context of this thread. Yet is is very SAD to notice that people here cannot even respect each others religion, forget about stating an informed opinion...charles!, I am saying this in response to your comments.

Having so much experience serving the country and the military should have at least taught you to respect others as much as you want to be respected, but from your comments it seems as if you could not care less, which is up to you of course, you don't have to respect religion, but it makes me wonder what it is that you have to be proud of after so many years of military experience. You are an example of American politics.

your post is about 100 times the length of my previous comments

now do us both a favor and don't presume to tell me how to think based on what you believe you know about me.

Edited January 1, 2009 by charles!

[MARM 7]

Here we are talking about Islam today, a sensitive issue and one that is not to be joked around about...especially in the context of this thread. Yet is is very SAD to notice that people here cannot even respect each others religion, forget about stating an informed opinion...charles!, I am saying this in response to your comments.

Having so much experience serving the country and the military should have at least taught you to respect others as much as you want to be respected, but from your comments it seems as if you could not care less, which is up to you of course, you don't have to respect religion, but it makes me wonder what it is that you have to be proud of after so many years of military experience. You are an example of American politics.

When I hear from a huge majority of Muslim's/Islamist's that they will not stand for the extremists in their midst, and actually see them actively demonstrating, turning in terrorists to proper authorities, etc. then I will 'respect' their right to their religion. Until then, they are supporters of the likes of Al Quida and therefor suspect.

Don't be sensitive about being a Muslim, stand up and declare that these people have hijacked the religion. If not, then why not? I just don't see any doing that. Only hearing it is politically incorrect to say anything in wrong with Islam...

You are a wonderful example of what I am trying to say. So where did you hear that Muslims stand for extremism or support terrorist activities? Did your Muslim friend/neighbor/co-worker/acquaintance tell you that, or did you just watch it on the news?

Of course I have to be sensitive about my religion, it is my way of life. There are Muslims that have hijacked the Islam, I did not say that you cannot say that there is anything wrong with Muslims. There are bad people in every religious group, and it is a fact that countries that have been involved in such unfortunate issues are Islamic nations by name or by population and have earned a negative image for themselves, and yes there are terrorists that are Muslim by name, but the fact is that they are not practicing the true Islam and have a twisted interpretation of the Holy Scripture. All I am saying is that you have no right to generalize about Islam by disrespecting it in such a manner. Islam is a religion, the second fastest growing religion in the world, and also one of the fastest growing religions in the United States of America, http://ncronline.org/NCR_Online/archives2/...006/063006a.php, why would it be that way if it is truly a religion of hate and terror? Islam is a religion that has its own right to be respected just as any other religion. This is all I am saying. And it is best to do thorough research before stating such a powerful negative statement that is baseless and has no reality to it:

...Until then, they are supporters of the likes of Al Quida and therefor suspect.

Bottom line:

Islam is a religion that has a right to be respected just like any other religion. If you think otherwise, do your research, take the effort to talk to Muslims in real-life, go to the library, read translations of the Holy Scripture, experience the Muslim way of life around you, not just watch whatever is on the news...AND THEN say whatever it is that you want.

Here we are talking about Islam today, a sensitive issue and one that is not to be joked around about...especially in the context of this thread. Yet is is very SAD to notice that people here cannot even respect each others religion, forget about stating an informed opinion...charles!, I am saying this in response to your comments.

Having so much experience serving the country and the military should have at least taught you to respect others as much as you want to be respected, but from your comments it seems as if you could not care less, which is up to you of course, you don't have to respect religion, but it makes me wonder what it is that you have to be proud of after so many years of military experience. You are an example of American politics.

your post is about 100 times the length of my previous comments

now do us both a favor and don't presume to tell me how to think based on what you believe you know about me.

I am not telling you how to think. I am stating an opinion: you are an example of American politics and I do not see anything that you have to be proud of after so many years of experience in the military. Period.

[MARM 7]

Denial is on of the biggest problems with moderate Muslims.

I agree....but not just the problem of moderate Muslims.....nobody reads or researches or learns....really. I am not a religious person, I'm not...but Islam scares the #### out of me.

You should maybe take your own advice and do your own research and come to know what Islam is really about. I am sorry that Islam scares you. Islam is truly a beautiful religion, and I am proud to be a Muslim, Alhamdulillah (Praise be to God). As a practicing and religious Muslim, it is upsetting that Islam's image has become so ghastly and terrorizing, but again, do your own research if it is scaring you so much....you will come to know that its not Islam that is scary, it is the fact that there are people from a religion defaming it by acting inhumanely in the name of religion that are scary, and that politics plays a big role also. Don't take my word, take the effort to do your own research.

Edited January 1, 2009 by MARM

[Ban Hammer 12,837]

Here we are talking about Islam today, a sensitive issue and one that is not to be joked around about...especially in the context of this thread. Yet is is very SAD to notice that people here cannot even respect each others religion, forget about stating an informed opinion...charles!, I am saying this in response to your comments.

Having so much experience serving the country and the military should have at least taught you to respect others as much as you want to be respected, but from your comments it seems as if you could not care less, which is up to you of course, you don't have to respect religion, but it makes me wonder what it is that you have to be proud of after so many years of military experience. You are an example of American politics.

your post is about 100 times the length of my previous comments

now do us both a favor and don't presume to tell me how to think based on what you believe you know about me.

I am not telling you how to think. I am stating an opinion: you are an example of American politics and I do not see anything that you have to be proud of after so many years of experience in the military. Period.

yes, you are telling me how to think: "Having so much experience serving the country and the military should have at least taught you.."

got news for you - the military don't teach things like that, and how you managed to wiggle american politics into this is beyond me, as i've not mentioned politics at all nor am i involved in politics more than the average citizen.

so if you're here just for personal attacks on me, it's

[MARM 7]

Here we are talking about Islam today, a sensitive issue and one that is not to be joked around about...especially in the context of this thread. Yet is is very SAD to notice that people here cannot even respect each others religion, forget about stating an informed opinion...charles!, I am saying this in response to your comments.

Having so much experience serving the country and the military should have at least taught you to respect others as much as you want to be respected, but from your comments it seems as if you could not care less, which is up to you of course, you don't have to respect religion, but it makes me wonder what it is that you have to be proud of after so many years of military experience. You are an example of American politics.

your post is about 100 times the length of my previous comments

now do us both a favor and don't presume to tell me how to think based on what you believe you know about me.

I am not telling you how to think. I am stating an opinion: you are an example of American politics and I do not see anything that you have to be proud of after so many years of experience in the military. Period.

yes, you are telling me how to think: "Having so much experience serving the country and the military should have at least taught you.."

got news for you - the military don't teach things like that, and how you managed to wiggle american politics into this is beyond me, as i've not mentioned politics at all nor am i involved in politics more than the average citizen.

so if you're here just for personal attacks on me, it's

So you are telling me that the military doesn't teach basic values such as respect...interesting. And I did not manage to wiggle American politics into this, you posted the picture, did you not? From some media source? Or are you telling me that you took that picture by yourself in person and witnessed it? I am not here for personal attacks, I am very surprised that you can laugh and post such images when talking about religion, especially when discussing a religion that people feel so strongly about, Muslims and non-Muslims alike. And I am also surprised that you can do this and yet you have so much military experience...I would think that you can at least be serious and respectful in the issue of religion. That's all. No personal attacks intended.

[Ban Hammer 12,837]

Here we are talking about Islam today, a sensitive issue and one that is not to be joked around about...especially in the context of this thread. Yet is is very SAD to notice that people here cannot even respect each others religion, forget about stating an informed opinion...charles!, I am saying this in response to your comments.

Having so much experience serving the country and the military should have at least taught you to respect others as much as you want to be respected, but from your comments it seems as if you could not care less, which is up to you of course, you don't have to respect religion, but it makes me wonder what it is that you have to be proud of after so many years of military experience. You are an example of American politics.

your post is about 100 times the length of my previous comments

now do us both a favor and don't presume to tell me how to think based on what you believe you know about me.

I am not telling you how to think. I am stating an opinion: you are an example of American politics and I do not see anything that you have to be proud of after so many years of experience in the military. Period.

yes, you are telling me how to think: "Having so much experience serving the country and the military should have at least taught you.."

got news for you - the military don't teach things like that, and how you managed to wiggle american politics into this is beyond me, as i've not mentioned politics at all nor am i involved in politics more than the average citizen.

so if you're here just for personal attacks on me, it's

So you are telling me that the military doesn't teach basic values such as respect...interesting. And I did not manage to wiggle American politics into this, you posted the picture, did you not? From some media source? Or are you telling me that you took that picture by yourself in person and witnessed it? I am not here for personal attacks, I am very surprised that you can laugh and post such images when talking about religion, especially when discussing a religion that people feel so strongly about, Muslims and non-Muslims alike. And I am also surprised that you can do this and yet you have so much military experience...I would think that you can at least be serious and respectful in the issue of religion. That's all. No personal attacks intended.

so now you admit you were telling me how to think, based on what you think occurs in the military, thank you.

btw that's a pic from an event in britain, so go blame the british media for it. and why my military background is so important to you is beyond me also.

[MARM 7]

Here we are talking about Islam today, a sensitive issue and one that is not to be joked around about...especially in the context of this thread. Yet is is very SAD to notice that people here cannot even respect each others religion, forget about stating an informed opinion...charles!, I am saying this in response to your comments.

Having so much experience serving the country and the military should have at least taught you to respect others as much as you want to be respected, but from your comments it seems as if you could not care less, which is up to you of course, you don't have to respect religion, but it makes me wonder what it is that you have to be proud of after so many years of military experience. You are an example of American politics.

your post is about 100 times the length of my previous comments

now do us both a favor and don't presume to tell me how to think based on what you believe you know about me.

I am not telling you how to think. I am stating an opinion: you are an example of American politics and I do not see anything that you have to be proud of after so many years of experience in the military. Period.

yes, you are telling me how to think: "Having so much experience serving the country and the military should have at least taught you.."

got news for you - the military don't teach things like that, and how you managed to wiggle american politics into this is beyond me, as i've not mentioned politics at all nor am i involved in politics more than the average citizen.

so if you're here just for personal attacks on me, it's

So you are telling me that the military doesn't teach basic values such as respect...interesting. And I did not manage to wiggle American politics into this, you posted the picture, did you not? From some media source? Or are you telling me that you took that picture by yourself in person and witnessed it? I am not here for personal attacks, I am very surprised that you can laugh and post such images when talking about religion, especially when discussing a religion that people feel so strongly about, Muslims and non-Muslims alike. And I am also surprised that you can do this and yet you have so much military experience...I would think that you can at least be serious and respectful in the issue of religion. That's all. No personal attacks intended.

so now you admit you were telling me how to think, based on what you think occurs in the military, thank you.

btw that's a pic from an event in britain, so go blame the british media for it. and why my military background is so important to you is beyond me also.

I have friends and family in the military, and they have a lot of respect for religion, and they would not be posting laughing smilies while posting negative images about Islam in the media at the same time. That is why I feel military background is important...and I came to know about your military background because you mentioned your military background in this thread. So that is why I brought up the military in this conversation.

.... So there you go, it is a picture from the media...that is where I got the politics part of my posts from. I do not mean any offense to you at all.

Edited January 1, 2009 by MARM