Steeleballz

On 6/2/2022 at 9:14 PM, LIBrty4all said:

Sorry buddy.  Yet another of your posts that didn't age well.

    Someone who responds to years old posts made by members who no longer visit the site should probably avoid bringing up the subject of not aging well.

23 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

in one case, the cops run amok in a house of the lord, which in the past was regarded as a place of sanctuary.

in another, people run amok in the streets - and if any cops are seen in the video, the cops are doing nothing about the protest.   and the protesters are

allowed to vandalize, harass, and sometimes assault those in the vehicles.....

 ....then your comparison still fails?

Just now, Ban Hammer said:

conversely, i'm sure it's also illegal to protest in the middle of the street.

  It is, but nobody ran the preacher over with a car for breaking the law, nor would it be legal or moral to do so,  so it's difficult to see arrived at that comparison.

  Now if you said people getting arrested for protesting in the street, then yes, that would be a similar situation. 

2 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

How many re-infections have there been?

  Not sure, but there have been some. Circulating antibody diminishes after some time, probably a significant range of time variation in different people.

  I'm more interested in whether reinfections are less virulent. The hope would be that even if the immune response diminishes over time, the "memory" effect of the acquired immune response would cause it to ramp up faster next time, get rid of the virus quicker, and not have as much collateral damage that occurred with the less specific inflammatory response in (some) people who contracted the virus for the first time. 

  That has been the pattern with many viruses and bacteria that were introduced to human populations. Separate from the herd response is that our immune systems are designed to deal with pathogens that way. We have trouble with novel ones that we have never encountered before as a species, but we do tend to adapt over time in many cases, but not all. Depends on the virus to some extent too. 

31 minutes ago, laylalex said:

My sister and her boyfriend both had COVID earlier this year, and recovered fully. My sister had it worse and it took her longer, but she made it through. They both had their first jabs nearly four weeks ago, after getting the all clear from their doctors to do so. Neither has had a serious reaction to the vaccine, usual arm pain, feeling rundown, but they both were fine within 36 hours. On the other hand, nearly 3 weeks later I'm still suffering side effects and as far as I know, I didn't have COVID. 

   Anecdotally, many people who had Covid thought the first vaccine shot was worse than the second. Maybe the first vaccine was acting more like the "booster" in that case, and stimulating an already strong existing immune response.

1 hour ago, Ban Hammer said:

kinda like the ones who protest by blocking roads and then get run over?

   Some people are comparing this to the holocaust online so I do give you credit for holding back.

   It's illegal to run people over under any circumstances, so no, no comparison with police arresting someone for repeatedly violating the law despite numerous warnings.

26 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Theoretically, correct me if I'm wrong or misremembering... there may be some people who recovered from COVID (mild or no symptoms) that have little to no remaining antibodies and could benefit from the vaccine?

  At some point yes, just as vaccinated people may also require a booster at some point. Four months I believe was considered a time frame where most people would still have antibody circulating after recovering from infection. IIRC, that was only a recommendation when vaccine was difficult to come by so they could more effectively use the limited amounts.  

4 hours ago, Dashinka said:

In Michigan they are not counting those that recovered from the virus as part of their "herd immunity" count.

  The science behind immunology tells us they should be doing that. The initial vaccine guidelines even said people who had recovered from Covid in the previous 4 months did not need to take the vaccine at that time because they already had an immune response. 

7 hours ago, Dashinka said:

I think the question is the farce of the public health emergency and the need for the draconian orders.  The public health experts are losing more and more credibility everyday.

  Not with most people. I have family in Alberta. These guys certainly have some supporters but most people think they are acting like self centered selfish idiots and bear the overwhelming majority of the blame for the ridiculous outcome. The police were not looking to make this to happen. The pastor was.

11 hours ago, Dashinka said:

I guess the police finally arrested this pastor.  Not very good optics.

 

  The penalties for violating public health orders in Alberta are clear. These guys wanted the publicity. Now they got it. 

1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

since it's chest specific it would not make much sense to transfer it to a forum in which they have no idea what we are talking about.

 We are currently discussing the most epic moments of CEHST. That discussion is taking place right now, thus it's a current event. If we keep it up, it could also become a hot social topic. 

1 hour ago, Neonred said:

Good to be in the car business right now.

 

Are you having trouble keeping enough inventory of new, in demand, vehicles?

  Not really for volume dealers though. .

9 minutes ago, Neonred said:

 

And since vaccines are available to everyone now, it's on those to either get it or suffer the consequences so that the rest of us can ditch the masks. Fortunately in many areas where I am this is understood and the masks are starting to go away.

  Vaccines are not available to anyone under 16 yet, and it's unlikely we will reach herd immunity until they are. The preceding comments were on CDC guidelines for wearing masks, not which municipalities choose to institute a mask ordinance. Many place have dropped mask requirements, or will drop mask requirements in the near future, but the CDC guidelines are not likely to change until enough people acquire immunity.

17 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

And they'll continue to trash and hate America.  Why does no one prosecute these people for perjury, for having violated their oaths of office?

 Think about that one some more. The answer is right their in your question.

On 5/7/2021 at 2:03 PM, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

 

Lets pay people 900 bucks a month to sit home they said. They were warned

 

 

 

GOP blames Biden for 'horrendous' April jobs report

 

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/gop-blames-biden-horrendous-april-jobs-report

  Do they blame Biden for the record high the Dow hit too?  Or was that just a Trump thing.

3 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Mr. Big Dog " There are no such thing as man made lakes"

  Danno's pedophile elephant thread was a VJ classic.

1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Agree but at what point, is it on those that refuse to get vaccinated. I should not have to wear a mask for their lack of understanding of science 

  Well like I said, we will reach a point one way or another where most people have formed immune response to the virus. That will either be by vaccination or by acquiring the infection. At that point it won't be a pandemic, although the longer we let the virus hang around, the more likely it becomes endemic. Either way, masks will probably be optional at that point.

  If I had to refine my guess, I'd say probably once kids start getting the vaccine.

18 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

So masks in perpetuity?

  My best guess would be until herd immunity us achieved, either by vaccination or natural infection.

3 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I have had both vaccines and move about know without concern. I dont understand why the CDC recommends that a group of people that have all been vaccinated needs to wear masks. I think masks have become more of a political statement than anything

 Most likely, it's because they understand that people can spread viruses even if they are immune. 

58 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Not sure what CHEST has to do with epic earthly protuberances . 🤣

So back to the subject. Was Beaches of Ankra number 1 or are there other contenders 

  There are several. The fair tax, working on the slope, and that guy over on the right who keeps repeating the middle of the road bit.

4 minutes ago, Lemonslice said:

I've never been to Disney, is it any fun as an adult - or should I wait and go with my niece when she's 5-6 years old ? 

   It's chaotic and boring at the same time. It's also insanely overpriced, and you spend more time waiting in line than actually doing stuff. It's only fun if you bring the kids along, just because they have enough fun for everyone to get caught up in. 

19 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

The real unemployment rate is around 10%, so either a lot of folks are staying on it, or they are working under the table.  Btw, it is not only restaurants that are having trouble finding people to fill positions, and the whole $15/hr seems a non-issue as many of the fast food restaurants I see hiring in my area are advertising more than $15/hr.  The fact that government has made it very lucrative for people to remain out-of-work, and that society as a whole is becoming very lazy, it is very plausible to believe the reason businesses cannot find workers is because these folks simply want to stay home.

    Since inflation was brought up earlier, it's probably worth recognizing that the failure of wages to keep up with cost of living is also a contributing issue. We have people leaving to take similar pay elsewhere because new hires can get sign on bonuses of $5000-$10000. Usually people have to stay for 1 year to keep the bonus. I think employers in several sectors are going to great lengths to avoid the intrinsic issue. That being, they don't want to pay competitive wages.

18 hours ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

So what I am seeing anecdotally on the ground is starting to set off some alarm bells for me tbh with you. Also what I am seeing across the board is that people are complaining about price increases for products to manufacture goods, gas prices, and you are starting to see shortages for machined products as well. I haven't even gotten into the labor shortage going on right now. 

So my question to everyone is if you are starting to see the same things as well, and is it starting to set off any alarm bells for you? 

  Too much demand and money chasing too little supply, which is textbook inflation. It's an extension of what we have been seeing since the pandemic started, but it's shifting as the demand for specific products shifts. Production still hasn't recovered. I think we'll be dealing with it for a while, and it may be long term in areas where the supply chain has taken a longer  term hit.

30 minutes ago, laylalex said:

I am having what I believe to be delayed side effects from my first jab. Over the weekend, I developed pain in my right shoulder that was so bad it woke me up. I took some tylenol but I had no relief. Then I got pain in my left thumb, followed by pain in my right wrist. Then the pain my right shoulder went away but almost immediately flared up on my left shoulder. Over the course of Saturday and Sunday the pain in my shoulders flipped back and forth from side to side but never at the same time. Now it's on my left shoulder, my left thumb is sore again and the first three fingers on my right hand are sore. And an hour ago, my right knee. I asked my mom this morning what it could be, and she said it is most likely a vaccine side effect, but to keep tabs on it since it could be something more serious. However, the more serious things we discussed are not rapid onset like this is or not likely given my age. 

 

Pain relievers (naproxen, ibuprofen, even paracetamol with codeine) do not work and I have no swelling, just pain. I probably just need to rest and stay hydrated. Next stop is a rheumatologist if I have to but fingers crossed this will pass quickly.

   I had similar issues about a week after the second shot. Mostly inflammatory pain like tendonitis, but mostly in areas where I had injuries in the past. My doctor said it's not uncommon, but shouldn't persist. It took a while to completely resolve.

6 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Many many places here are operating reduced hours and begging for people. Steak and shake is even putting ads for help wanted in the bag

  We just did an extra $15/hour incentive for people to pick up open shifts. If people pick up shifts over 40 hours, it’s time and a half plus the $15 incentive. No one applies for open positions and we’ve been losing people to other places that give sign on bonuses. We’ve had job postings open since September.