Daisy.Chain

9 minutes ago, JER2020 said:

I am a Christian myself and appreciate you understanding and sharing your experience. As you said one does have to give it thought because words have meaning and weight. We're not all the same, but there's a reason why USCIS accommodates a few revisions to the oath for the sake of peace of mind of the applicant and clear conscience.  Spain does not recognize that renunciation so to them it has no effect. As someone just said, it just means to the US you are only a US citizen. I have a feeling one day this will be modified, in a near future and even be made optional.

Well...it depends on how seriously you take your promise. I only see one way to interpret:

"I  hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen"

Now, PRACTICALLY speaking, I've never heard of the "entirely renouncing" being ENFORCED, which makes me think it's a personal decision!

4 hours ago, Timona said:

 

I feel bad for the person who had to lift that bulk. 🤣

Me too!!

And I shrunk the font on the chats down to size 6, did triple columns, front and back and we still had TONS. No way did anyone read everything. They just flipped through until they saw what they needed! 

31 minutes ago, Becci391 said:

We did. The bank statements of our joint checking account was actually 90% of the total amount of pages.🙈🤣

 

I think we did quarterly statements for both but I'm not sure.

We only have one joint American Express credit card account. Less than 10 pages total at that time.

 

It's not about how many pages you send it's about the quantity. Comingling accounts ( credit, bank, phone lines, memberships), same address ( unless one of the people works out of state).

 

We only sent 10 pictures I think.

You mean "quality", not "quantity"

We used a box...15 pounds, really clearly organized because I was afraid of ticking the people reading it off. However, VJ said to frontload and frontload we did. It was approved really fast, but I doubt it had anything to do with the amount of paper.

I think they look at it enough to approve it which could probably be done in 20 papers or in 15 lbs.

Also, our plans are for any future kids we have to be dual citizens. The US doesn't recognize (or prohibit) dual-citizenship. But when naturalizing, I think there is no other way to interpret the oath than what it says (renounce all allegiances etc).

The US naturalization oath is very clear...you RENOUNCE other allegiances. My husband had to think hard before taking it. Those words are hard to say, and as a Christian, he wasn't willing to swear to something that wasn't truthful. He decided to do it.

He never had to hand over his previous passport from another country etc/hasn't been an issue other than that he pays the Us tourist travel tax ($10) when traveling internationally because he has to fly IN on his US passport. But it is something you will morally have to decide for yourself.

We did attach a document but still kept it at about 2 sentences. It was just a little longer than would fit.

The US naturalization oath's first part says: 

" I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen"

That IS what the oath says. There is no room for any interpretation other than "absolutely and entirely renouncing". It is very clear.
 

Will Canada stop recognizing you as a Canadian citizen after you take the oath? No. Will you have any practical difficulty being a dual citizen? I doubt it.

If you choose to take the oath not meaning it (not entirely renouncing), you are not true to your oath. There is no room in that paragraph for "except for Canada". "Let your 'yes' be 'yes' and your 'no' be 'no'." If honesty in oaths is not an important issue for you, no problem.

It is an ethical or moral issue, admittedly, and not one you are likely to have practical future issues with, except that I heard that some airports require US citizens to fly on the US passport only to enter (or leave? Can't remember) the US. I'm not sure on that but maybe avoid flying on one passport and leaving on another to avoid the possible issue.

5 hours ago, Kai (CanadaDude) said:

The renunciation in the US Oath of Allegiance has no legal effect, the US has no bar on multiple nationality. OP is legally free to pursue Canadian citizenship if/when they are eligible for it. Many people have personal reasons for wanting to maintain/gain a citizenship for a country they are moving out of...particularly if things don't work out in the new place they move to they are free to move back if they wish. The Canadian Government rightly acknowledged this and legally permits departing PR's to apply for citizenship.

 

OP, you do what's best for you.

 

Personally, I've spent three years in Canada and will continue to work here and maintain friendships here despite living in the US...I have affection and attachment to Canada just as much as I would with the US. Dual nationality makes perfect sense in these circumstances. They are not mutually exclusive.

It says "renounce". It is kind of sad, but part of becoming a US citizen.

Your profile says you got Noa 1 in 2016, though - is it supposed to be 2018? If so, could you please update your timeline?

The US naturalization oath's first part says: 

" I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen"

It seems silly to become a Canadian citizen only to then turn around and "entirely renounce" it to become a US citizen.

 Imho you should make a choice.

16 hours ago, HRQX said:

Not a coincidence. As a parent of US citizen child OP met an exception to the relevant COVID proclamation way before the recent news regarding K-1 NIE: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/03/16/2020-05578/suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of

 

OP interviewed in Paris while the above proclamation was in effect. https://www.visajourney.com/timeline/profile.php?id=356786 That was the only K-1 visa issued at that post in that month: https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Non-Immigrant-Statistics/MonthlyNIVIssuances/NOVEMBER 2020 - NIV Issuances by Post and Visa Class.pdf Page 42

Oh, thanks! I didn't realize.

Getting the K1 was not due to being the mother of USC child...just a happy coincidence - congrats!

Sorry to hear about your situation. You might try your local library, church or fb for activities to get to know others around you! Starting over is rough

A re-entry permit will let her back into the US..but won't that disrupt the physical location requirement for citizenship?

If I had to pick between US citizenship and a job, I'd pick the citizenship. You may sacrifice this job opportunity, but imho it's worth it to never have to think about it again.

1 hour ago, Jorgedig said:

That is kind of you, but USCIS will not give out any info to a 'friend.'   He needs to deal with his work auth and status himself.

They will if he's standing right there and gives them permission to talk to you, then hands the phone back. (Or isnon speaker).

Getting a lawyer won't change anything.

You can choose your legal option to go home to your home country and have your wife petition you as the spouse of a permanent resident.

20 hours ago, HRQX said:

Not currently in force. We'll have to wait for the Administration to present its enforcement plan: "The Secretary of HHS, in coordination with the Secretary of Transportation (including through the Administrator of the FAA) and the Secretary of Homeland Security (including through the Administrator of the TSA), shall promptly provide to the President, through the COVID-19 Response Coordinator, a plan for how the Secretary and other Federal Government actors could implement the policy stated in subsection (a) of this section with respect to CDC-recommended periods of self-quarantine or self-isolation after a flight to the United States from a foreign country, as he deems appropriate and consistent with applicable law.  The plan shall identify agencies’ tools and mechanisms to assist travelers in complying with such policy."

The new U.S. requirement was announced by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Jan. 12 and formalized in President Joe Biden's executive order on COVID-19 safety in domestic and international travel last week.

it was announced last week. I've seen the start date reported as being today and also as "within a few days" - not sure which news source (any?) to trust.

Checking google flights for prices for a round trip ticket to the DR has the caution - new travel reqs in place alert come up.

18 hours ago, igoyougoduke said:

without a plan as to how they will monitor people stay home for 10 days, this plan is just rubbish. Other countries that have successfully eliminated COVID like Singapore have follow up from Police frequently so people stay at homes. 

 

 

I agree that it seems unenforceable and ridiculous. It was in the executive order, though.

2 hours ago, Chauncey said:

Testing and quarantine. I think he just hasn't said how long of a quarantine is required

He said 10 days in the executive order.

You could always marry, have her fly home and wrap up the loose ends while you wait until the visa processes, then have her come back in where she is a PR upon entry.

What about those important ties to home she has to go wrap up? 🙃

It shouldn't be a problem as it is longer than 6 mos.

You have to have at least 30 months (913 days) of physical presence in the US - PRIOR TO filing. Short trips wouldn't interfere with that requirement.

Do you want to marry or just want him in the country? You said "we would be willing to get married", which doesn't sound promising. There is nothing easy about the process and you have to know that you want to marry for either the K1 (fiance) or the CR1 (spousal) visa. For both you'll need to either find a way to earn more income or find a co-sponsor. 

13 hours ago, Greenbaum said:

stay engaged in the process. 

😂

Engaged in all senses of the word!

I doubt it would work, and even if it did you would be stuck wondering if you were "married enough" for USCIS the duration of the process.

Why not fly to a 3rd country and marry in person in a courthouse? She could also consider applying for a tourist visa to come for the marriage, then return.