Latest Minneapolis shooting

[Ban Hammer 14,936]

1 hour ago, S2N said:

We agree. I think having a gun on you in these circumstances is stupid, but that isn’t reason to shoot someone. I also think it’s odd that many of the people who supported an expansive 2A reading previously are not using this as justification for killing him. The current law is if you have a permit, you can concealed carry. Even if you’re going to be around LEOs.

 

correct on the above.  however, one thing conceal carry holders must do is avoid provoking a confrontation.  i've seen quite a few cases where a cch provoked a confrontation, shot someone, and was then prosecuted successfully because they provoked the confrontation.

[S2N 664]

1 minute ago, Ban Hammer said:

correct on the above.  however, one thing conceal carry holders must do is avoid provoking a confrontation.  i've seen quite a few cases where a cch provoked a confrontation, shot someone, and was then prosecuted successfully because they provoked the confrontation.

Like I said, I think it’s incredibly stupid to take a gun with you to a protest — whether it’s a left-wing one or a right-wing one. It is legal, though. I’m not really sure your analogy holds here though as the CCH wasn’t the one who fired any shots.

 

Someone having a gun on then when they (appear to be) restrained on the ground isn’t a reason to unload 10 rounds into them, and if that’s all they can produce as reason for the shooting it’ll be an issue.

 

I think that’s my overall issue with the “well why was he there???” questions. Let’s say he was a plant or a domestic terrorist or whatever. LEOs don’t have the legal authority to shoot a restrained individual, which from all indications we’ve seen so far this guy was.  They might have the right to detain and charge, but simply resisting arrest with a concealed firearm (which is essentially what DHS is claiming happened), shouldn’t end in him getting shot.

 

Like I said, let’s have an investigation and see where it goes, but what DHS has come up with so far doesn’t inspire confidence.

 

[speedster 84]

1 hour ago, Ban Hammer said:

if you wish to believe everything you see on X, feel free.
as for the 1984 comment, that's amusing as 1984 was about communism and fascim...........

No, I don't choose to believe everything on X, but you can choose to believe what is being fed to you and choosing to reject the evidence, and seeing what happened in the 7 videos that are available and the 11 page breakdown of the videos, Witness affidavits, and lawsuit that was filed.

1 hour ago, Ban Hammer said:

correct on the above.  however, one thing conceal carry holders must do is avoid provoking a confrontation.  i've seen quite a few cases where a cch provoked a confrontation, shot someone, and was then prosecuted successfully because they provoked the confrontation.

 

Alex Pretti was provoking? Which video was it?

[Pooky 3,959]

2 hours ago, Ban Hammer said:

if you wish to believe everything you see on X, feel free.
as for the 1984 comment, that's amusing as 1984 was about communism and fascim...........

1984 was about the state of the UK in 1948, when the elation about coming out of WWII was giving way to the grim reality of trying to recover from it without the economic resources remaining to do so. 

[S2N 664]

25 minutes ago, Pooky said:

1984 was about the state of the UK in 1948, when the elation about coming out of WWII was giving way to the grim reality of trying to recover from it without the economic resources remaining to do so. 

Orwell based it primarily on the Soviet Union, because he viewed Soviet-style communism as the primary form of totalitarianism in the world when he was writing. His idea was more of what a totalitarian state would look like in the English-speaking world than communism itself, even if it was the model. People also frequently forget he was a socialist. This was the same man who wrote Homage to Catalonia, which is anti-communist, but also very left-wing.

Edited 6 hours ago by S2N