Latest Minneapolis shooting

[Ban Hammer 14,946]

1 hour ago, S2N said:

We agree. I think having a gun on you in these circumstances is stupid, but that isn’t reason to shoot someone. I also think it’s odd that many of the people who supported an expansive 2A reading previously are not using this as justification for killing him. The current law is if you have a permit, you can concealed carry. Even if you’re going to be around LEOs.

 

correct on the above.  however, one thing conceal carry holders must do is avoid provoking a confrontation.  i've seen quite a few cases where a cch provoked a confrontation, shot someone, and was then prosecuted successfully because they provoked the confrontation.

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1 minute ago, Ban Hammer said:

correct on the above.  however, one thing conceal carry holders must do is avoid provoking a confrontation.  i've seen quite a few cases where a cch provoked a confrontation, shot someone, and was then prosecuted successfully because they provoked the confrontation.

Like I said, I think it’s incredibly stupid to take a gun with you to a protest — whether it’s a left-wing one or a right-wing one. It is legal, though. I’m not really sure your analogy holds here though as the CCH wasn’t the one who fired any shots.

 

Someone having a gun on then when they (appear to be) restrained on the ground isn’t a reason to unload 10 rounds into them, and if that’s all they can produce as reason for the shooting it’ll be an issue.

 

I think that’s my overall issue with the “well why was he there???” questions. Let’s say he was a plant or a domestic terrorist or whatever. LEOs don’t have the legal authority to shoot a restrained individual, which from all indications we’ve seen so far this guy was.  They might have the right to detain and charge, but simply resisting arrest with a concealed firearm (which is essentially what DHS is claiming happened), shouldn’t end in him getting shot.

 

Like I said, let’s have an investigation and see where it goes, but what DHS has come up with so far doesn’t inspire confidence.

 

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1 hour ago, Ban Hammer said:

if you wish to believe everything you see on X, feel free.
as for the 1984 comment, that's amusing as 1984 was about communism and fascim...........

No, I don't choose to believe everything on X, but you can choose to believe what is being fed to you and choosing to reject the evidence, and seeing what happened in the 7 videos that are available and the 11 page breakdown of the videos, Witness affidavits, and lawsuit that was filed.

1 hour ago, Ban Hammer said:

correct on the above.  however, one thing conceal carry holders must do is avoid provoking a confrontation.  i've seen quite a few cases where a cch provoked a confrontation, shot someone, and was then prosecuted successfully because they provoked the confrontation.

 

Alex Pretti was provoking? Which video was it?

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2 hours ago, Ban Hammer said:

if you wish to believe everything you see on X, feel free.
as for the 1984 comment, that's amusing as 1984 was about communism and fascim...........

1984 was about the state of the UK in 1948, when the elation about coming out of WWII was giving way to the grim reality of trying to recover from it without the economic resources remaining to do so. 

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25 minutes ago, Pooky said:

1984 was about the state of the UK in 1948, when the elation about coming out of WWII was giving way to the grim reality of trying to recover from it without the economic resources remaining to do so. 

Orwell based it primarily on the Soviet Union, because he viewed Soviet-style communism as the primary form of totalitarianism in the world when he was writing. His idea was more of what a totalitarian state would look like in the English-speaking world than communism itself, even if it was the model. People also frequently forget he was a socialist. This was the same man who wrote Homage to Catalonia, which is anti-communist, but also very left-wing.

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16 hours ago, speedster said:

 

Oh great so DHS and CBP won't be the investigators, right?

 

Do you think that whoever doesn't align with your thinking is a "extremist left". But for Kyle he was exercising his 2A, he was not hired for help, he went on his own to Kenosha. And he was called a hero for exercising his 2A at a protest.

 

How is the Rittenhouse situation much different than the Alex Pretti situation? I know how, Pretti was on the ground tackled by several DHS officers and disarmed before he was shot. Let me know when your investigating is complete because of the multiple angles of videos, it's very clear. Oh and did you see the snippet of the DHS officer clapping after Pretti was shot? Yeah pretty distasteful huh

 

"Why is this just happening in Minneapolis?" DHS admitted that there is a large presence than any other city. Sowing chaos is what they want, and extorting the government of MN. Where is this surge in Miami?

When a law enforcement entity is involved in a shooting, or other incident where a serious injury or death is a result, the investigation is conducted by another entity.  In the case of a local LEO, it is usually turned over to the State Police, in the case of the State Police, maybe a large local agency will take the lead, or the FBI, and in the case of ICE, or DHS, probably the FBI, or Secret Service, or maybe even the State Police.  You stated the investigation would be conducted by the agent that did the shooting, and that will definitely not be the case.  Now you may not trust the other fed agencies (FBI, Secret Service, etc.) right now (I expect you trusted them when Biden was in the WH), but that is how investigations are conducted.

 

Rittenhouse was not actively protesting, but was attacked while attempting to protect a property from the unhinged extreme fascist left that don't care who they hurt or what property they destroy (is that a Constitutional right?) when he was attacked.  Clearly self defense.  As to the current situation, I have been out-of-touch for a bit and am catching up, so who knows right now.  I am not going to call it murder like you at this point.  Maybe it was, maybe not, but much like the case of the driver that actually positioned her car to put the agent in front of it giving that agent less than seconds to make a decision, I will let cooler heads prevail and the chips will fall where they fall.

 

You do know there is a reason for a little more activity in Minnesota right?  I guess you are fine with massive taxpayer fraud enabled by the state official?  Should that be just let go?

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5 hours ago, Dashinka said:

When a law enforcement entity is involved in a shooting, or other incident where a serious injury or death is a result, the investigation is conducted by another entity.  In the case of a local LEO, it is usually turned over to the State Police, in the case of the State Police, maybe a large local agency will take the lead, or the FBI, and in the case of ICE, or DHS, probably the FBI, or Secret Service, or maybe even the State Police.  You stated the investigation would be conducted by the agent that did the shooting, and that will definitely not be the case.  Now you may not trust the other fed agencies (FBI, Secret Service, etc.) right now (I expect you trusted them when Biden was in the WH), but that is how investigations are conducted.

So you would trust Bovino to do investigating, especially when he's lied to the court several times already, and violated court orders?

 

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Rittenhouse was not actively protesting, but was attacked while attempting to protect a property from the unhinged extreme fascist left that don't care who they hurt or what property they destroy (is that a Constitutional right?) when he was attacked.  Clearly self defense.  As to the current situation, I have been out-of-touch for a bit and am catching up, so who knows right now.  I am not going to call it murder like you at this point.  Maybe it was, maybe not, but much like the case of the driver that actually positioned her car to put the agent in front of it giving that agent less than seconds to make a decision, I will let cooler heads prevail and the chips will fall where they fall.

Alex Pretti was shot because he was exercising his 2A right, period end sentence, it doesn't matter what Kyle did after being in Kenosha. Kyle was there exercising his 2A right, Pretti was there exercising his 2A right. You went off different tangents but you also just called a guy being held on the ground shot to death "no murder", Sure, Jan.

 

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You do know there is a reason for a little more activity in Minnesota right?  I guess you are fine with massive taxpayer fraud enabled by the state official?  Should that be just let go?

There's a reason courts exists that's what legal battles are for, ICE knocking door to door has no correlation to taxpayer fraud as you're talking about. But show me the proof if it does.

1 hour ago, Boiler said:

 

 

Funny for you to think I was the top half

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58 minutes ago, speedster said:

So you would trust Bovino to do investigating, especially when he's lied to the court several times already, and violated court orders?

 

Alex Pretti was shot because he was exercising his 2A right, period end sentence, it doesn't matter what Kyle did after being in Kenosha. Kyle was there exercising his 2A right, Pretti was there exercising his 2A right. You went off different tangents but you also just called a guy being held on the ground shot to death "no murder", Sure, Jan.

 

There's a reason courts exists that's what legal battles are for, ICE knocking door to door has no correlation to taxpayer fraud as you're talking about. But show me the proof if it does.

 

Funny for you to think I was the top half

Bovino?  If you meant Dan Bongino, you do know that he resigned right?  From what I heard from the MSM (CBS in this case), it sounds like the crime scene was turned over to the locals (Minneapolis PD, or the Minnesota State Police), but it also sounds like the crime scene was over-run by the unhinged leftist, so who knows how contaminated it became.  What is sad is that if this was a bad shoot that could lead to the agent being prosecuted, the evidence may be scarce due to the activities of the extremists.

 

Yes, Pretti was exercising his 2A rights although I heard (again from a MSM source) that he might not have had his CCL license, but to conclude he was killed because of that is a major leap to judgement.  It seems there was more impeding on his part as the agents were trying to take another person into custody.  Best to avoid that type of confrontation IMO.

 

As to the fraud allegations, before anyone can go to court, those allegations need to be investigated otherwise a court will throw everything out.  You mentioned ICE was disproportionately deployed to Minnesota, but you realize there are a lot more federal investigators/agents and they are not all ICE.  As I have said before, if there was cooperation, none of this would need to happen, but of course cooperation would not make for good headlines by the MSM and possibly sway voters to the political leanings of those on the left.

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4 hours ago, Boiler said:

 

 

Ugh, these stupid memes. Can you not use words to put your point of view across instead? I left the last thread after ridiculous X posts were posted as if they were factual or accurate in any way at all. I have no idea about the first guy as I wasn't living in the US then so don't feel knowledgeable enough to comment on a case I heard very little about. But Alex Pretti wasn't 'starting a fight', he was filming, trying to help a woman that had been pushed over, and then put his hands up before being pepper sprayed. So the whole meme is laughable on that point alone.