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Filed: K-1 Visa Country: Philippines
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My fiance' arrived in October on a K1 visa and we got her a social security card  in her maiden name.

They issued the card with the following statment :  VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS AUTHORIZATION
I only mention this to supply all information.
She is NOT trying to work.

 

I was told by Social Security online she needed ID and the marriage cert. That was it ( Yes, I mentioned she was NOT a US citizen and here on a K1 visa)

We made an appointment to change her name after we were married.
 The Clerk asked for the marriage cert and ID
She gave the clerk the marriage  cert and her Filipino passport.
He then wanted to see immigration documentation. 

She gave him the I-94 which had expired Jan 5.
We were married December 5th
He said he could not process the name change because her immigration form was expired.
I explained the  k1 visa required marriage within 90 days which she did and this was the earliest appointment SS had.
I also explained the marriage cert proves she honored the rules of the Visa and either way it was irrelevant because she already had a Social Security card and we were just updating her name change.
He said a social security card does not prove immigration status. I said , I know. This has nothing to do with immigration status.
Simply a name change due to marriage for  her existing social security card.
He repeatedly stated since the I-94 was expired she might be here illegally so he could not change the name.

After further discussion I  decided to leave and do research and make another appointment

 

If you are curious why  we want this done before AOS  we want to  have her social security reflect her new name  and not wait until her AOS because I want to add her to my financial accounts, open a joint checking, get her health insurance, drivers licence etc in her married name.
If I wait until AOS then we have to redo all of those documents and worse new checks  etc 

 

Either way  according to the Social Security website all that is required to change the name is ID and an original marriage certificate.

Attached are screen shots from the Social Security website showing requirements.
 

I have made another appointment at the Social Security Office to try again.
This time I will bring printouts from the Social Security website and argue my position more adamantly.

 

Logic seems to be on my side. But this is the government so logic  may not apply.,
She has a social security card.

She got married and wants to simply change the name on her existing social security card.

NOT CHANGE ANYTHING ELSE ; like the ability to work etc 

 Social Security  website states to change the name she needs  ID and marriage certificate.

NOTHING is stated about immigration status

 

According to the SSA  Program Operations Manual System (POMS) 

RM 10212.025 Evidence of Name Change based on a US Ceremonial Marriage & 

RM 10212.055 Evidence Required to Process a Name Change on the SSN based on Marriage

 all she needs is her ID and marriage Certificate.

If I am missing something I would appreciate what RM of the SSA POMS shows otherwise.
 

 

Thanks 

 

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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Canada
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The SSA are not able to update her card for the exact reason given - her I-94 is expired and they have no way to verify her status.  

 

Your wife entered on a single use K-1 visa.  That is where the I-94 90 day validation came from.  

 

When you married and filed the AOS paperwork, she entered a period of authorized stay, but that's it.  She is in this funny place of limbo where she's allowed to be in the US but does not actually have legal status.  Until a decision is made to offer her legal status, be it work authorization is issued or her permanent residency is granted, you will not be able to change her name.  This is, in part, why many people wait until they naturalize to do the name change.  

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Filed: K-1 Visa Country: Philippines
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1 hour ago, mam521 said:

The SSA are not able to update her card for the exact reason given - her I-94 is expired and they have no way to verify her status.  

 

Your wife entered on a single use K-1 visa.  That is where the I-94 90 day validation came from.  

 

When you married and filed the AOS paperwork, she entered a period of authorized stay, but that's it.  She is in this funny place of limbo where she's allowed to be in the US but does not actually have legal status.  Until a decision is made to offer her legal status, be it work authorization is issued or her permanent residency is granted, you will not be able to change her name.  This is, in part, why many people wait until they naturalize to do the name change.  

That isn't what the Social security procedures say.
If you have any proof that this is procedure I'd love to see it.
If not, you are merely repeating someone else's opinion or  forming your own .
I posted the procedure according to the SSA themselves.

If there is a contradictory procedure, again, what RM is that?

 

Filed: K-1 Visa Country: Philippines
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Posted (edited)
40 minutes ago, milimelo said:

Yeah, no - they won't change it after I-94 expired. You'll need either a green card or EAD to get it changed. 

why?
According to the procedures I foun   of the SSA that is not required.
If it is there has to be some kind of documented procedure where that is the case.
I know getting accurate information from the government is difficult but what I found  does not state anything regarding immigration status
Why do you feel that what i found on the SSA website is incorrect?

Edited by Aquabac
Posted
3 minutes ago, Aquabac said:

why?
According to the procedures I foun   of the SSA that is not required.
If it is there has to be some kind of documented procedure where that is the case.
I know getting accurate information from the government is difficult but what I found  does not state anything regarding immigration status
Why do you feel that what i found on the SSA website is incorrect?

You have to be in a valid status to get it done - pending AOS is not a status - it's a limbo.  EAD card or green card is what you need. 

 

Example - I got a SSN back when I was on J1 visa a long time ago. There was a letter missing in my name as I had it added through court - when I came to visit a friend I went to SSA to see if they can add the missing letter I was turned away as I was now on B1 visa - no status. Only after I immigrated couple years later was I able to make change to my SSA record. 

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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Canada
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Please fill out your timeline: https://www.visajourney.com/timeline/profile.php?id=490235

 

You should probably go back and look at what the entire immigration process looks like.  The instruction you've cited above applies to individuals who are citizens, permanent residents with a valid greencard an/or extension letter or temporary workers with valid work authorization.  Your wife is none of these. 

 

A K-1 visa is technically a non-immigrant visa.  Your then fiancé was inspected and paroled into the US for 90 days.  She had 90 days to marry you and file to adjust status.  Once the I-94 ran out, she entered a period of authorized stay.  That's it.  Nothing more.  She currently has no immigration status. 

 

A SSN is government issued, unique identification number issued to US citizens, permanent residents and ELIGIBLE temporary workers.  Your wife is not a citizen, she is not a permanent resident (yet) and she is not a temporary worker.  She is a visitor who was authorized to enter the USA.  

 

The only reason she was issued the SSN in the first place and the reason it states the restriction of "VALID FOR WITH WITH DHS AUTHORIZATION ONLY" on her card is because the assumption is her status will be verified - that the marriage occurred within the 90 days, that the AOS was filed and that the I-765 was approved.  So technically, her SSN isn't even valid at the moment.  It won't be valid until her case is adjudicated or work authorization is issued.  This is also why it is recommended to file the I-765, irrespective of whether or not the immigrant plans to work.  

 

If you look at what is REQUIRED for a SSN, the SSA clearly states they will verify immigration status.  The only way a SSN will be given outside of immigrant status is if the applicant has work authorization.  Your wife does not have any immigration status at the moment.  She has an active application to adjust status.  It hasn't yet been adjudicated. You didn't state whether you even filed an I-765, but based on the comment "she is NOT trying to work" and no mention of work authorization, it is assumed not.  

 

Please read ALL of the following after selecting adult, corrected, non-citizen on the left side of the page, paying close attention to the blue note box toward the bottom: https://www.ssa.gov/ssnumber/ss5doc.htm 

 

Noncitizens: https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10096.pdf

 

Until all conditions are met, the SSA will not update her card.  

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Filed: K-1 Visa Country: Philippines
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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, milimelo said:

You have to be in a valid status to get it done - pending AOS is not a status - it's a limbo.  EAD card or green card is what you need. 

 

Example - I got a SSN back when I was on J1 visa a long time ago. There was a letter missing in my name as I had it added through court - when I came to visit a friend I went to SSA to see if they can add the missing letter I was turned away as I was now on B1 visa - no status. Only after I immigrated couple years later was I able to make change to my SSA record. 




 
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Edited by Aquabac
Posted (edited)

There is no way you'll be able to make a name change until she has an actual status such as an EAD or green card because they are unable to verify anything until that time. Once you have those you can return to the SSA. You'll need to update with the SSA every time her status changes. The same thing will happen if you need a ID or DL at your DMV. Any name change experience you had at the DMV is irrelevant unfortunately, because you are a citizen and that is a state process not a federal one.

 

You can certainly add your new spouse to your bank or health insurance without having a name changed on her SSN. Most of us with immigrant spouses did so. It's important to do it sooner rather than later.

Edited by yuna628

Our Journey Timeline  - Immigration and the Health Exchange Price of Love in the UK Thinking of Returning to UK?

 

First met: 12/31/04 - Engaged: 9/24/09
Filed I-129F: 10/4/14 - Packet received: 10/7/14
NOA 1 email + ARN assigned: 10/10/14 (hard copy 10/17/14)
Touched on website (fixed?): 12/9/14 - Poked USCIS: 4/1/15
NOA 2 email: 5/4/15 (hard copy 5/11/15)
Sent to NVC: 5/8/15 - NVC received + #'s assigned: 5/15/15 (estimated)
NVC sent: 5/19/15 - London received/ready: 5/26/15
Packet 3: 5/28/15 - Medical: 6/16/15
Poked London 7/1/15 - Packet 4: 7/2/15
Interview: 7/30/15 - Approved!
AP + Issued 8/3/15 - Visa in hand (depot): 8/6/15
POE: 8/27/15

Wedding: 9/30/15

Filed I-485, I-131, I-765: 11/7/15

Packet received: 11/9/15

NOA 1 txt/email: 11/15/15 - NOA 1 hardcopy: 11/19/15

Bio: 12/9/15

EAD + AP approved: 1/25/16 - EAD received: 2/1/16

RFE for USCIS inability to read vax instructions: 5/21/16 (no e-notification & not sent from local office!)

RFE response sent: 6/7/16 - RFE response received 6/9/16

AOS approved/card in production: 6/13/16  

NOA 2 hardcopy + card sent 6/17/16

Green Card received: 6/18/16

USCIS 120 day reminder notice: 2/22/18

Filed I-751: 5/2/18 - Packet received: 5/4/18

NOA 1:  5/29/18 (12 mo ext) 8/13/18 (18 mo ext)  - Bio: 6/27/18

Transferred: Potomac Service Center 3/26/19

Approved/New Card Produced status: 4/25/19 - NOA2 hardcopy 4/29/19

10yr Green Card Received: 5/2/19 with error >_<

N400 : 7/16/23 - Oath : 10/19/23

 

 

 

Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Ecuador
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Thread is moved from the K-1 Case Progress subforum to the Social Security Numbers subforum.

06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

Filed: K-1 Visa Country: Philippines
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2 hours ago, yuna628 said:

There is no way you'll be able to make a name change until she has an actual status such as an EAD or green card because they are unable to verify anything until that time. Once you have those you can return to the SSA. You'll need to update with the SSA every time her status changes. The same thing will happen if you need a ID or DL at your DMV. Any name change experience you had at the DMV is irrelevant unfortunately, because you are a citizen and that is a state process not a federal one.

 

You can certainly add your new spouse to your bank or health insurance without having a name changed on her SSN. Most of us with immigrant spouses did so. It's important to do it sooner rather than later.

As stated we want her married name to be used and do not wish to change names on EVERYTHING again.
Of course I could change every account and add her maiden name and then change everything again when she has her green card.
That is not the point.

Also as stated, I found the requirements on the SSA website for name change and NOWHERE does it say anything about immigration status.
The link that mam521 posted was for applying for a Social Security card.

Application for a  new social security number and a name change are different things.

Everyone saying I have to wait may  e right but no one has shown the actual  procedural documentation of why that is.

 

Following the actual guidelines stated on the SSA website for a name change  is sensible.

Asking for SSA to show why they are following some other guideline than what they post as their own Program Operation Manual System with reference numbers is a reasonable request.
Using the requirements of application as opposed to the requirements stated for a name stage  is illogical.

They may do that but that doesn't make it reasonable.

I will try. I will probably fail but that doesn't change the fact that unless there are other  POMS guideline which state different requirements  than the ones I found that they are following actual rules.

"Because we say so"  is not a rule.

Even if they get away with it because they are the government.

 

I will report what happens after my next appointment.

Some of you may take satisfaction in them not honoring their own procedures and will be happy to say or think " I told you so" but  that doesn't make it right.

 

 

 

 
 

 



Nothing in that link discussed name changes of an EXISTING card.

 

Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Ecuador
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Posted
1 minute ago, Aquabac said:

I will try.

No one's stopping you.  Good luck.  Please report back.

06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

Filed: AOS (apr) Country: Philippines
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Posted

This is a well-known and often discussed topic. Directly from the SS website, regarding name changes for non-citizens:

 

What original documents do I need?

Immigration status

To prove your U.S. immigration status, you must show us your current U.S. immigration document, such as:

  • Form I-551 (Lawful Permanent Resident Card, Machine Readable Immigrant Visa) with your unexpired foreign passport.
  • I-766 (Employment Authorization Document (EAD) or "work permit)".
  • I-94 (Arrival/Departure Record) or admission stamp in the unexpired foreign passport.

An expired I-94 does not meet this requirement.

 

The only time I am aware of K-1's successfully changing their SS card to married name is if they get married well before the 90 days has elapsed and still have at least 2 weeks remaining on the I-94 at the time of the name-change request.

 
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