4% of Population is Vaccinated - Really Pathetic

[Talako 756]

Up to 25%:

 

 

https://infogram.com/1p20r9gmmkvgnkf0vde62j0vkvfr0qkpxgm

 

 

[Jays0n 19]

1 hour ago, Talako said:

Up to 25%:

 

 

https://infogram.com/1p20r9gmmkvgnkf0vde62j0vkvfr0qkpxgm

 

 

I dont know why people would be looking forward to hitting this goal. Other countries that have it like Singapore 80%+ vaccinated are having far more new cases than countries like Indonesia thats only 17% vaccinated and they are still undergoing restrictions and lockdowns. Until governments start exiting their sunk cost fallacy mentality, they will not return to normal or a "new normal"

[Joe Kano 327]

11 hours ago, Jays0n said:

I dont know why people would be looking forward to hitting this goal. Other countries that have it like Singapore 80%+ vaccinated are having far more new cases than countries like Indonesia thats only 17% vaccinated and they are still undergoing restrictions and lockdowns. Until governments start exiting their sunk cost fallacy mentality, they will not return to normal or a "new normal"

So True:  Philippines plan for the pandemic has been to curl up in the fetal position in a ball and lay on the ground and do nothing.

 

Your government leaders need to man up and decide to deal and live and move on in life, you can't stay locked down for  years and years.  Hoping the virus will go away, you just have to find a way to live with it.  And yes people will die, it just part of life

[top_secret 2,106]

18 hours ago, Jays0n said:

I dont know why people would be looking forward to hitting this goal. Other countries that have it like Singapore 80%+ vaccinated are having far more new cases than countries like Indonesia thats only 17% vaccinated and they are still undergoing restrictions and lockdowns. Until governments start exiting their sunk cost fallacy mentality, they will not return to normal or a "new normal"

 

I can’t think of any starker proof that vaccines are effective that the comparison of Singapore and Indonesia.  Both ran rather draconian and obviously ineffective and counterproductive lockdowns. On a per capita basis, they both have had similar infection rates, 15,173 infected per million Indonesians.  14,028 infected per million Singaporeans.  Although it is entirely probable the Indonesian cases are dramatically underreported do to far less testing.   But where there is a HUGE, gigantic, unbelievably stupendous difference between the two countries is in the death rate per capita.  Indonesia, with a very low vaccination rate and where even most of the vaccinated were done with ineffective Chinovax, has a per capita death rate of 510 deaths per million.  Singapore with a very high vaccination rate, mostly with Pfizer and Moderna vaccine, has a death rate of about 12 deaths per million.  In other words.  Per capita, you have about 43 dead, probably unvaccinated, Indonesians for each 1 dead, probably vaccinated, Singaporean.  Or, unvaccinated Indonesia's per capita death rate is 4,250% higher than vaccinated Singapore.   Also, worth noting Indonesia probably got off way easier than western nations due to a demographically young and lean population.

 

While Singapore has not put their money where their mouth is just yet, the Singaporean Prime Minister has been telling the public that they cannot continue lockdowns indefinitely, chironivirus is not going away, they must learn to live with it, borders must be opened, business must go on, people die of flu and yet they deal with it, this will have to be handled the same way.  Which makes the Singapore Prime Minister one of the most reasonable, intelligent sounding world leaders around.  IF, Singapore does start to follow up on their wise words (it’s just talk to date) they could be trend setter and an example for countries in the region to follow.  It’s worth noting that Thailand is finally starting to talk seriously about very positive changes as well, although again with limited actual action so far.  AFIK Indonesia, is marching in lockstep with the Philippines talking about lockdowns and closed borders for the foreseeable future.

[flicks1998 1,044]

54 minutes ago, top_secret said:

 

I can’t think of any starker proof that vaccines are effective that the comparison of Singapore and Indonesia.  Both ran rather draconian and obviously ineffective and counterproductive lockdowns. On a per capita basis, they both have had similar infection rates, 15,173 infected per million Indonesians.  14,028 infected per million Singaporeans.  Although it is entirely probable the Indonesian cases are dramatically underreported do to far less testing.   But where there is a HUGE, gigantic, unbelievably stupendous difference between the two countries is in the death rate per capita.  Indonesia, with a very low vaccination rate and where even most of the vaccinated were done with ineffective Chinovax, has a per capita death rate of 510 deaths per million.  Singapore with a very high vaccination rate, mostly with Pfizer and Moderna vaccine, has a death rate of about 12 deaths per million.  In other words.  Per capita, you have about 43 dead, probably unvaccinated, Indonesians for each 1 dead, probably vaccinated, Singaporean.  Or, unvaccinated Indonesia's per capita death rate is 4,250% higher than vaccinated Singapore.   Also, worth noting Indonesia probably got off way easier than western nations due to a demographically young and lean population.

 

While Singapore has not put their money where their mouth is just yet, the Singaporean Prime Minister has been telling the public that they cannot continue lockdowns indefinitely, chironivirus is not going away, they must learn to live with it, borders must be opened, business must go on, people die of flu and yet they deal with it, this will have to be handled the same way.  Which makes the Singapore Prime Minister one of the most reasonable, intelligent sounding world leaders around.  IF, Singapore does start to follow up on their wise words (it’s just talk to date) they could be trend setter and an example for countries in the region to follow.  It’s worth noting that Thailand is finally starting to talk seriously about very positive changes as well, although again with limited actual action so far.  AFIK Indonesia, is marching in lockstep with the Philippines talking about lockdowns and closed borders for the foreseeable future.

I agree with everything you said.  The other things that has helped Singapore compared to Indonesia as well as other countries is that they have one of the best medical care systems in the world and the people generally are very healthy and there is an enormous culture for people to take care of their health.  Which unlike the US who has a decent medical system, that system is overrun by a population who is extremely unhealthy with obesity and diabetes the main issues.

 

I still have my PR status in Singapore and its highly likely we will be leaving the US after this school year.  Even though Singapore does have some issues, its probably the closest country on earth that could be considered utopia.  High salaries, low taxes, an educated population, incredible public transportation, clean air, great medical facilities, a government who runs a surplus, incredible technology and fast internet, a diverse population, and excellent geographic location to travel to other countries on extended weekends.  Yes, its expensive to own a car (although you dont really need one), discrimination can be a problem towards certain groups, in particular certain Indians and Bangladeshi's, plus its nickname can be Singabore, but I have enjoyed my time there.  There is also a reason why most of their government officials are reasonable and intelligent as they actually require a person to have basic skill sets to be in public office, unlike some other countries.  Yes Ive probably drank the Singapore kool-aid, but now having time to become more acquainted with the US after 28 years away, Singapore just offers so much more.  Due to Covid, they have made it slightly more difficult to obtain employment passes (raised the minimum salary to qualify plus some additional qualifications) but its still relatively easy for a foreigner to find a job there.  About 40% of the population are immigrants or workers there on work permits, S-passes and Employment passes.  

Edited September 24, 2021 by flicks1998

[AKteacher 103]

3 hours ago, flicks1998 said:

Singapore does have some issues, its probably the closest country on earth that could be considered utopia. 

It's amazing what good governance can accomplish. Also a population that's willing to act for the greater good.

Edited September 24, 2021 by AKteacher

[flicks1998 1,044]

1 hour ago, AKteacher said:

It's amazing what good governance can accomplish. Also a population that's willing to act for the greater good.

Completely agree.  Also with a country that takes education seriously.  I find the people in Singapore look out for their neighbor quite well, although as mentioned before its not perfect but pretty close.  Very rarely do you find an expat that did not like it.  Most try to extend their assignment as long as possible or try to stay longer by switching companies.  Its an excellent place for families as well.

[jg121783 3,908]

18 hours ago, AKteacher said:

It's amazing what good governance can accomplish. Also a population that's willing to act for the greater good.

There are numerous cases through out history of a nation's population acting for what they are told is "the greater good" that didn't end very well.

[AKteacher 103]

38 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

There are numerous cases through out history of a nation's population acting for what they are told is "the greater good" that didn't end very well.

Really? Told by whom? Mao or Hitler? Or virtually all of the scientific and medical community, like today's vaccines?

[Jays0n 19]

On 9/25/2021 at 12:02 PM, jg121783 said:

There are numerous cases through out history of a nation's population acting for what they are told is "the greater good" that didn't end very well.

These people put blind trust into an authority figure as the sole arbiter of truth when 5 minutes of research shows how deceitful and evil these scientists, doctors, and politicians are.
 

Philippines has 2490858 cases and 37405 deaths = 1.5% chance of dying. This percent goes massively lower when adding in asymptomatic and people who didn’t go to hospital(both not being reported) plus people dying who happen to have covid being counted as a covid death.

 

It’s scary how easily manipulated the masses are who have been gaslighted by the media and government into this hoax. Thankfully places like Denmark and surrounding countries have announced and are getting rid of all restrictions and returning to normal. Hopefully it sets a trend with every country soon following. 

[BJ&V 10]

Covid-19  vaccine rollout here in Philippines showing progress at least. In my city for example it's easier to get a covid-19  jab now. I supposed to get my first dose today but due to my recent 2 immunization shots from Saintlukes  the lady nurse at the vaccine site asked me to come back next week but because of my upcoming interview at USEM. I'll get it on a later date. 

[Joe Kano 327]

7 hours ago, BJ&V said:

Covid-19  vaccine rollout here in Philippines showing progress at least. In my city for example it's easier to get a covid-19  jab now. I supposed to get my first dose today but due to my recent 2 immunization shots from Saintlukes  the lady nurse at the vaccine site asked me to come back next week but because of my upcoming interview at USEM. I'll get it on a later date. 

My companion in Batangas Province is suppose to get her vaccine sometime in October.  She said in her area if you get covid or two in the same area they will lockdown the whole block.

 

Also if you die and test positive for Covid then you are cremated and not allowed to be buried or have funeral with a body, I found that quite odd and strange

[AKteacher 103]

14 hours ago, Jays0n said:

These people put blind trust into an authority figure as the sole arbiter of truth when 5 minutes of research shows how deceitful and evil these scientists, doctors, and politicians are.
 

Philippines has 2490858 cases and 37405 deaths = 1.5% chance of dying. This percent goes massively lower when adding in asymptomatic and people who didn’t go to hospital(both not being reported) plus people dying who happen to have covid being counted as a covid death.

 

It’s scary how easily manipulated the masses are who have been gaslighted by the media and government into this hoax. Thankfully places like Denmark and surrounding countries have announced and are getting rid of all restrictions and returning to normal. Hopefully it sets a trend with every country soon following. 

Gee, 1.5% sounds so low... let's do the math. 110,000,000 people x 1.5% = 1,650,000 deaths, perhaps somewhat lower. Potentially a million and a half deaths, and many more people that don't die but are sickened and some never fully recover.  Do you think most people would consider that to be insignificant?

 

Hoax? You seem to be saying that the consensus of virtually all (except a fringe minority) of doctors and scientists that say otherwise is all just some sort of hoax? Sounds pretty crazy to me.

 

Now, it is debatable whether the lockdowns are on balance beneficial, or the extent to which lockdowns, masking, and vaccines are worth the trouble. But please spare us the misleading statistics, and the paranoid crazy-talk that this is all just a hoax.

Edited September 27, 2021 by AKteacher

[Will&Christine 51]

1 hour ago, AKteacher said:

Gee, 1.5% sounds so low... let's do the math. 110,000,000 people x 1.5% = 1,650,000 deaths, perhaps somewhat lower. Potentially a million and a half deaths, and many more people that don't die but are sickened and some never fully recover.  Do you think most people would consider that to be insignificant?

 

Hoax? You seem to be saying that the consensus of virtually all (except a fringe minority) of doctors and scientists that say otherwise is all just some sort of hoax? Sounds pretty crazy to me.

 

Now, it is debatable whether the lockdowns are on balance beneficial, or the extent to which lockdowns, masking, and vaccines are worth the trouble. But please spare us the misleading statistics, and the paranoid crazy-talk that this is all just a hoax.

That death rate is calculated from confirmed cases. Not everyone gets tested for covid. In 2018-2019 flu season CDC estimated 35 million Americans got it. Note they said estimated because not everyone gets tested for flu. So who knows how many people got covid. It is believed death rate is a lot lower than that for majority of population except for frail and elderly people. You're assuming covid will infect every single individual in Philippines. I never heard of a virus with 100% infection rate. 35 million Americans got flu. That's like 11% of USA population. For sake of argument covid is more contagious and infects 25% of Philippines population instead of 11%. So 27,500,000 people eventually caught covid. That 412,000 deaths using 1.5% death rate based on confirmed cases. Covid have been here for over 18 months and 37k deaths so far. That's around flu or tuberculosis like severity. You could say it's because of lockdown but the country is under lockdown for 18 months and nothing to show for it. Covid is still spreading and daily cases are getting higher despite vaccines, mask and strict lockdown.

[jg121783 3,908]

3 hours ago, AKteacher said:

Gee, 1.5% sounds so low... let's do the math. 110,000,000 people x 1.5% = 1,650,000 deaths, perhaps somewhat lower. Potentially a million and a half deaths, and many more people that don't die but are sickened and some never fully recover.  Do you think most people would consider that to be insignificant?

 

Hoax? You seem to be saying that the consensus of virtually all (except a fringe minority) of doctors and scientists that say otherwise is all just some sort of hoax? Sounds pretty crazy to me.

 

Now, it is debatable whether the lockdowns are on balance beneficial, or the extent to which lockdowns, masking, and vaccines are worth the trouble. But please spare us the misleading statistics, and the paranoid crazy-talk that this is all just a hoax.

Might want to check your numbers there. It is highly unlikely there will be a 100% infection rate.