Woodward dismisses claims he could have saved lives by publishing Trump's coronavirus remarks sooner

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

4 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

I believe part of the answer is lack of a consistent Federal approach instead  of a patchwork if state and regional approaches. For example masks and social distancing. I am convinced that Texas, Florida, Georgia , Arizona could have benefited from stronger mandates coming from the Feds because we knew more by the time their waves hit.

Other than making recommendations to the states (which was done), and other than travel bans from infected countries (which was done), what else can the feds make the states do?  NYC is a great example of a populated city where its citizens did not take the "social distancing" mandates seriously, and continued to crowd themselves into buses and subways, and look where it got them.  What could the federal branch have done differently in NYC (not that Cuomo would have listened, but that is another topic altogether)?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Since you made me start digging (I haven't paid much attention to the covid since it's no longer major news), the US fatality rate is 3%.

 

 

 

Country.                                      Cases. Deaths.       Fatality Ratio.   Deaths/100k

Yemen	2,009	582	29.0%	2.04
Italy	286,297	35,603	12.4%	58.91
United Kingdom	367,592	41,712	11.3%	62.74
Belgium	92,478	9,923	10.7%	86.88
Mexico	663,973	70,604	10.6%	55.95
Ecuador	116,451	10,864	9.3%	63.59
France	402,811	30,902	7.7%	46.13
Netherlands	84,709	6,291	7.4%	36.51
Chad	1,083	80	7.4%	0.52
Sweden	86,505	5,846	6.8%	57.41
Canada	138,164	9,220	6.7%	24.88
Sudan	13,470	834	6.2%	2.00
Liberia	1,316	82	6.2%	1.70
Niger	1,178	69	5.9%	0.31
San Marino	722	42	5.8%	124.32
Bolivia	125,982	7,297	5.8%	64.27
Ireland	30,730	1,783	5.8%	36.74
Iran	399,940	23,029	5.8%	28.15
Egypt	100,856	5,627	5.6%	5.72
Hungary	11,825	633	5.4%	6.48
Spain	566,326	29,747	5.3%	63.67
China	90,168	4,734	5.3%	0.34
Mali	2,916	128	4.4%	0.67
Peru	716,670	30,470	4.3%	95.25
Switzerland	46,704	2,020	4.3%	23.72
Syria	3,506	152	4.3%	0.90
North Macedonia	15,694	646	4.1%	31.01
Tanzania	509	21	4.1%	0.04
Romania	102,386	4,127	4.0%	21.19
Bulgaria	17,891	717	4.0%	10.21
Indonesia	214,746	8,650	4.0%	3.23
Angola	3,335	132	4.0%	0.43
Andorra	1,344	53	3.9%	68.83
Finland	8,557	337	3.9%	6.11
Barbados	180	7	3.9%	2.44
Kosovo	12,683	488	3.8%	26.45
Slovenia	3,603	135	3.7%	6.53
Afghanistan	38,641	1,420	3.7%	3.82
Burkina Faso	1,514	56	3.7%	0.28
Guatemala	81,658	2,949	3.6%	17.10
Germany	260,817	9,352	3.6%	11.28
Sierra Leone	2,096	72	3.4%	0.94
Algeria	48,007	1,605	3.3%	3.80
Vietnam	1,060	35	3.3%	0.04
Colombia	708,964	22,734	3.2%	45.79
Denmark	19,989	630	3.2%	10.87
Antigua and Barbuda	95	3	3.2%	3.12
Honduras	67,136	2,065	3.1%	21.54
Malawi	5,678	177	3.1%	0.98
Brazil	4,315,687	131,210	3.0%	62.64
US	6,485,214	193,693	3.0%	59.20
Bosnia and Herzegovina	23,138	690	3.0%	20.76
Albania	11,185	330	3.0%	11.51
Guyana	1,812	54	3.0%	6.93
Poland	73,650	2,182	3.0%	5.75
Gambia	3,376	102	3.0%	4.47
Australia	26,651	810	3.0%	3.24
Nicaragua	4,818	144	3.0%	2.23
Zimbabwe	7,508	224	3.0%	1.55
Portugal	63,310	1,860	2.9%	18.09
El Salvador	26,851	782	2.9%	12.18
Somalia	3,376	98	2.9%	0.65

Edited September 13, 2020 by Voice of Reason

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

1 hour ago, Voice of Reason said:

Since you made me start digging (I haven't paid much attention to the covid since it's no longer major news), the US fatality rate is 3%.

 

 

 

Country.                                      Cases. Deaths.       Fatality Ratio.   Deaths/100k

Yemen	2,009	582	29.0%	2.04
Italy	286,297	35,603	12.4%	58.91
United Kingdom	367,592	41,712	11.3%	62.74
Belgium	92,478	9,923	10.7%	86.88
Mexico	663,973	70,604	10.6%	55.95
Ecuador	116,451	10,864	9.3%	63.59
France	402,811	30,902	7.7%	46.13
Netherlands	84,709	6,291	7.4%	36.51
Chad	1,083	80	7.4%	0.52
Sweden	86,505	5,846	6.8%	57.41
Canada	138,164	9,220	6.7%	24.88
Sudan	13,470	834	6.2%	2.00
Liberia	1,316	82	6.2%	1.70
Niger	1,178	69	5.9%	0.31
San Marino	722	42	5.8%	124.32
Bolivia	125,982	7,297	5.8%	64.27
Ireland	30,730	1,783	5.8%	36.74
Iran	399,940	23,029	5.8%	28.15
Egypt	100,856	5,627	5.6%	5.72
Hungary	11,825	633	5.4%	6.48
Spain	566,326	29,747	5.3%	63.67
China	90,168	4,734	5.3%	0.34
Mali	2,916	128	4.4%	0.67
Peru	716,670	30,470	4.3%	95.25
Switzerland	46,704	2,020	4.3%	23.72
Syria	3,506	152	4.3%	0.90
North Macedonia	15,694	646	4.1%	31.01
Tanzania	509	21	4.1%	0.04
Romania	102,386	4,127	4.0%	21.19
Bulgaria	17,891	717	4.0%	10.21
Indonesia	214,746	8,650	4.0%	3.23
Angola	3,335	132	4.0%	0.43
Andorra	1,344	53	3.9%	68.83
Finland	8,557	337	3.9%	6.11
Barbados	180	7	3.9%	2.44
Kosovo	12,683	488	3.8%	26.45
Slovenia	3,603	135	3.7%	6.53
Afghanistan	38,641	1,420	3.7%	3.82
Burkina Faso	1,514	56	3.7%	0.28
Guatemala	81,658	2,949	3.6%	17.10
Germany	260,817	9,352	3.6%	11.28
Sierra Leone	2,096	72	3.4%	0.94
Algeria	48,007	1,605	3.3%	3.80
Vietnam	1,060	35	3.3%	0.04
Colombia	708,964	22,734	3.2%	45.79
Denmark	19,989	630	3.2%	10.87
Antigua and Barbuda	95	3	3.2%	3.12
Honduras	67,136	2,065	3.1%	21.54
Malawi	5,678	177	3.1%	0.98
Brazil	4,315,687	131,210	3.0%	62.64
US	6,485,214	193,693	3.0%	59.20
Bosnia and Herzegovina	23,138	690	3.0%	20.76
Albania	11,185	330	3.0%	11.51
Guyana	1,812	54	3.0%	6.93
Poland	73,650	2,182	3.0%	5.75
Gambia	3,376	102	3.0%	4.47
Australia	26,651	810	3.0%	3.24
Nicaragua	4,818	144	3.0%	2.23
Zimbabwe	7,508	224	3.0%	1.55
Portugal	63,310	1,860	2.9%	18.09
El Salvador	26,851	782	2.9%	12.18
Somalia	3,376	98	2.9%	0.65

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality (one source of this info)

 

1 hour ago, Voice of Reason said:

Other than making recommendations to the states (which was done), and other than travel bans from infected countries (which was done), what else can the feds make the states do?  NYC is a great example of a populated city where its citizens did not take the "social distancing" mandates seriously, and continued to crowd themselves into buses and subways, and look where it got them.  What could the federal branch have done differently in NYC (not that Cuomo would have listened, but that is another topic altogether)?

I'd love to read it. Right now the argument that the Feds can just do more basically ignores the fact that the Feds can't just do whatever they want.

Edited September 13, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Dashinka 23,238]

3 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

I believe part of the answer is lack of a consistent Federal approach instead  of a patchwork if state and regional approaches. For example masks and social distancing. I am convinced that Texas, Florida, Georgia , Arizona could have benefited from stronger mandates coming from the Feds because we knew more by the time their waves hit.

What was inconsistent coming from the Federal Government?  Dr. Fauci said that President Trump followed all of the recommendations given by the scientists, and unlike other countries where there is more centralized control, the US does not function that way in times of pandemic.  It kind of goes back to the circular reasoning used by many on the Left where they complain that President Trump is acting like a dictator, and then they say they want him to act like a dictator.  Which is it?

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,315]

18 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

Doesn’t matter.  Covid won’t matter in a few weeks.

It already doesnt matter much to me. Way over blown Hysteria. 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,315]

4 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

I believe part of the answer is lack of a consistent Federal approach instead  of a patchwork if state and regional approaches. For example masks and social distancing. I am convinced that Texas, Florida, Georgia , Arizona could have benefited from stronger mandates coming from the Feds because we knew more by the time their waves hit.

I am old enough to remember when Trump started talking about mandates and Cujo and the rest of the MDL echo chamber went nuts and said it was up to the states .

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,315]

3 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality (one source of this info)

 

I'd love to read it. Right now the argument that the Feds can just do more basically ignores the fact that the Feds can't just do whatever they want.

kind of like when Katrina was coming and the feds were begging LA and specifically the corrupt liberal black mayor of NO to take action and were ignored. Then it was Bushs fault when no action was taken . Dems never let a good tragedy go to waste 

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

23 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I am old enough to remember when Trump started talking about mandates and Cujo and the rest of the MDL echo chamber went nuts and said it was up to the states .

Left: Keep the economy shut down! It's too unhealthy to go back to work! Keep schools shut down until they defund police, give me things I've never asked for and are utterly ridiculous to demand + unrelated to my job! 

Also left: Look at how bad Trump is for the economy.. my scientific spidey senses tell me we can reopen after the election (if Trump loses)! Vote Biden! 

 

Basically, trash the country and hold it hostage with violence and misery unless you give me my way politically. 

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

10% of the worlds population 25% of the deaths. No good explanations in this thread.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

9 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

10% of the worlds population 25% of the deaths. No good explanations in this thread.

Oh darn, did we not meet your standards again? So sorry to disappoint. 😢

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

10% of the worlds population 25% of the deaths. No good explanations in this thread.

You seriously need to work on your maff skillz.  25% does not equal 21%.

 

But what does either number really mean?  There's nothing you, me, Trump, nor Biden can do about it.  It just is what it is.  At least we stopped shoving people into nursing homes to end their lives early.  Remind me again where we did that?  

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

39 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

You seriously need to work on your maff skillz.  25% does not equal 21%.

 

But what does either number really mean?  There's nothing you, me, Trump, nor Biden can do about it.  It just is what it is.  At least we stopped shoving people into nursing homes to end their lives early.  Remind me again where we did that?  

There's also nothing we can do about how other countries report their numbers. 

[Dashinka 23,238]

16 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

I believe part of the answer is lack of a consistent Federal approach instead  of a patchwork if state and regional approaches. For example masks and social distancing. I am convinced that Texas, Florida, Georgia , Arizona could have benefited from stronger mandates coming from the Feds because we knew more by the time their waves hit.

More confirmation bias?  How do you explain that the top five states in number of deaths per million are in order, NJ, NY, MA, CT and LA?