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We filed a joint I-751 petition and sent our photos in photo books we had made at Walgreens. Our photo books (2) were just returned with a letter stating , " we are returning items....it is a format we cannot place in your file for review by an officer...." Should I send them back in a different format or is it too late?  These were all the photos we sent so I'm very worried we will get denied because we don't have children together, have a 14 year age gap (wife older) and didn't think to send affidavits. We do have strong financials and other evidence, I believe, though. Is there any hope to for them to get pictures now if I send them?

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Unless they asked for pictures, I wouldn't bother. But, if you decide to send them, scan and print them on paper first.  There is no requirement to have children together or to have a small age gap.  You will not get a denial for those reasons.  If your financials and joint assets are reasonable, I don't think you will have an issue.  Good luck.

 

My calculations seem to indicate that less than 1% of I-751s are actually denied.

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August 7, 2022: Wife filed N-400 Online under 5 year rule.

November 10, 2022: Received "Interview is scheduled" letter.

December 12, 2022:  Received email from Dallas office informing me (spouse) to be there for combo interview.

December 14, 2022: Combo Interview for I-751 and N-400 Conducted.

January 26, 2023: Wife's Oath Ceremony completed at the Plano Event Center, Plano, Texas!!!😁

February 6, 2023: Wife's Passport Application submitted in Dallas, Texas.

March 21, 2023:   Wife's Passport Delivered!!!!

May 15, 2023 (about):  Naturalization Certificate returned from Passport agency!!

 

In summary, it took 13 months for approval of the CR-1.  It took 44 months for approval of the I-751.  It took 4 months for approval of the N-400.   It took 172 days from N-400 application to Oath Ceremony.   It took 6 weeks for Passport, then 7 additional weeks for return of wife's Naturalization Certificate.. 
 

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I wouldn't bother sending them back.

But note that anything you send needs to be page by page, if its bound it needs to be easily unbindable (think 3 prong folder or binder, clips, etc.), they have to be able to put them through a scanner.

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1 hour ago, Lucky Cat said:

Unless they asked for pictures, I wouldn't bother. But, if you decide to send them, scan and print them on paper first.  There is no requirement to have children together or to have a small age gap.  You will not get a denial for those reasons.  If your financials and joint assets are reasonable, I don't think you will have an issue.  Good luck.

 

My calculations seem to indicate that less than 1% of I-751s are actually denied.

That’s good to know.
I didn’t add my 2019 taxes as we decided to take the extension (July) as we owed a lot of money at the time and my husband lost his job due to covid. 
I’m sure I’ll be getting RFE for this. It has been going round and round in mind and really regret not filling at the time but we did what we had to do. I did include 2018 taxes.  But it’s good to know it’s a low denial rate. 

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1 hour ago, hamkris said:

We filed a joint I-751 petition and sent our photos in photo books we had made at Walgreens. Our photo books (2) were just returned with a letter stating , " we are returning items....it is a format we cannot place in your file for review by an officer...." Should I send them back in a different format or is it too late?  These were all the photos we sent so I'm very worried we will get denied because we don't have children together, have a 14 year age gap (wife older) and didn't think to send affidavits. We do have strong financials and other evidence, I believe, though. Is there any hope to for them to get pictures now if I send them?

I wouldn’t worry about it too much. They could just send a RFE or simply not need them. Pictures do not always make a difference. They just want to see your merging your lives together. Good luck! 

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1 hour ago, Lucky Cat said:

Unless they asked for pictures, I wouldn't bother. But, if you decide to send them, scan and print them on paper first.  There is no requirement to have children together or to have a small age gap.  You will not get a denial for those reasons.  If your financials and joint assets are reasonable, I don't think you will have an issue.  Good luck.

 

My calculations seem to indicate that less than 1% of I-751s are actually denied.

Based on report of USICS that they gave us on their website. I did math on their numbers and found out 5% cases were denied.

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8 minutes ago, Chicken9999 said:

Based on report of USICS that they gave us on their website. I did math on their numbers and found out 5% cases were denied.

This is how I calculated it, based on first quarter of FY 2019:

 

In the 1st quarter of FY 2019, a total of 43, 588 I-751s were adjudicated.  Of those only 1287 were initially denied......that's less than 3%.......if 75% of the denials were ultimately appealed & approved (I read that somewhere), that pushes the denial rate for I-751s during that quarter to less than 1 %.....

 

Any way you look at it, denial is pretty rare.

 

 

Edited by Lucky Cat

"The US immigration process requires a great deal of knowledge, planning, time, patience, and a significant amount of money.  It is quite a journey!"

- Some old child of the 50's & 60's on his laptop 

 

Senior Master Sergeant, US Air Force- Retired (after 20+ years)- Missile Systems Maintenance & Titan 2 ICBM Launch Crew Duty (200+ Alert tours)

Registered Nurse- Retired- I practiced in the areas of Labor & Delivery, Home Health, Adolescent Psych, & Adult Psych.

IT Professional- Retired- Web Site Design, Hardware Maintenance, Compound Pharmacy Software Trainer, On-site go live support, Database Manager, App Designer.

______________________________________

August 7, 2022: Wife filed N-400 Online under 5 year rule.

November 10, 2022: Received "Interview is scheduled" letter.

December 12, 2022:  Received email from Dallas office informing me (spouse) to be there for combo interview.

December 14, 2022: Combo Interview for I-751 and N-400 Conducted.

January 26, 2023: Wife's Oath Ceremony completed at the Plano Event Center, Plano, Texas!!!😁

February 6, 2023: Wife's Passport Application submitted in Dallas, Texas.

March 21, 2023:   Wife's Passport Delivered!!!!

May 15, 2023 (about):  Naturalization Certificate returned from Passport agency!!

 

In summary, it took 13 months for approval of the CR-1.  It took 44 months for approval of the I-751.  It took 4 months for approval of the N-400.   It took 172 days from N-400 application to Oath Ceremony.   It took 6 weeks for Passport, then 7 additional weeks for return of wife's Naturalization Certificate.. 
 

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20 minutes ago, Lucky Cat said:

This is how I calculated it, based on first quarter of FY 2019:

 

In the 1st quarter of FY 2019, a total of 43, 588 I-751s were adjudicated.  Of those only 1287 were initially denied......that's less than 3%.......if 75% of the denials were ultimately appealed & approved (I read that somewhere), that pushes the denial rate for I-751s during that quarter to less than 1 %.....

 

Any way you look at it, denial is pretty rare.

 

 

I did look up on FY 2020 :).

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Resources/Reports and Studies/Immigration Forms Data/All Form Types/Quarterly_All_Forms_FY2020Q2.pdf

But as you said it's still pretty rare

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Same thing happened with me, I'm just holding the album to take to the interview.

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6 hours ago, Lucky Cat said:

Unless they asked for pictures, I wouldn't bother. But, if you decide to send them, scan and print them on paper first.  There is no requirement to have children together or to have a small age gap.  You will not get a denial for those reasons.  If your financials and joint assets are reasonable, I don't think you will have an issue.  Good luck.

 

My calculations seem to indicate that less than 1% of I-751s are actually denied.

Just for the sake of accuracy, it is actually on average 5% of cases get denied based USCIS stats they release every Q. They don't break down the denial reasoning, but it usually around that number. Maybe if you take out clerical errors, hardships, and withdrawals it drops to around 2-3% but that is guessing.  

 

Winning I-751 in court is NOT easy at all, it is a coin flip based on your judge, so it is hard to assume it is actually 75% of denials are approved later.

 

Then again even 5% denial is extremely low compared to other applications. 

 

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7 minutes ago, DSOTM1973 said:

Just for the sake of accuracy, it is actually on average 5% of cases get denied based USCIS stats they release every Q. They don't break down the denial reasoning, but it usually around that number. Maybe if you take out clerical errors, hardships, and withdrawals it drops to around 2-3% but that is guessing.

 

like https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Resources/Reports and Studies/Immigration Forms Data/All Form Types/Quarterly_All_Forms_FY2020Q1.pdf

As I stated in my post above, I gave the numbers for the 1st quarter of FY 2019...In addition, I have read that about 75% of initially denied cases are appealed and approved. 1%, 3%, 5%.......very few I-751s are denied.

Edited by Lucky Cat

"The US immigration process requires a great deal of knowledge, planning, time, patience, and a significant amount of money.  It is quite a journey!"

- Some old child of the 50's & 60's on his laptop 

 

Senior Master Sergeant, US Air Force- Retired (after 20+ years)- Missile Systems Maintenance & Titan 2 ICBM Launch Crew Duty (200+ Alert tours)

Registered Nurse- Retired- I practiced in the areas of Labor & Delivery, Home Health, Adolescent Psych, & Adult Psych.

IT Professional- Retired- Web Site Design, Hardware Maintenance, Compound Pharmacy Software Trainer, On-site go live support, Database Manager, App Designer.

______________________________________

August 7, 2022: Wife filed N-400 Online under 5 year rule.

November 10, 2022: Received "Interview is scheduled" letter.

December 12, 2022:  Received email from Dallas office informing me (spouse) to be there for combo interview.

December 14, 2022: Combo Interview for I-751 and N-400 Conducted.

January 26, 2023: Wife's Oath Ceremony completed at the Plano Event Center, Plano, Texas!!!😁

February 6, 2023: Wife's Passport Application submitted in Dallas, Texas.

March 21, 2023:   Wife's Passport Delivered!!!!

May 15, 2023 (about):  Naturalization Certificate returned from Passport agency!!

 

In summary, it took 13 months for approval of the CR-1.  It took 44 months for approval of the I-751.  It took 4 months for approval of the N-400.   It took 172 days from N-400 application to Oath Ceremony.   It took 6 weeks for Passport, then 7 additional weeks for return of wife's Naturalization Certificate.. 
 

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I sent hundreds of loose photos (printed at walgreens), not a photo book. 

In my FOIA response they are all there, scanned by USCIS. Presumably they bin the originals.

CR1 / DCF (London): 2012 / 2013 (4 months from I-130 petition to visa in hand)

I-751 #1- April 2015 [Denied]

 

April 2015 : I-751 Joint filing package sent fedex next day 09:00am from UK ($lots - thanks). 
Jan 2017: Notification that an interview has been scheduled at a local office. Bizarrely still no RFE... 
Jan 2017: 2hr wait, then interview terminated before it began, due to moving my ID to another state 2 wks prior. New interview 'in a few months...maybe.'   Informed them that divorce proceedings are underway, but not finalised at this time. 
March 2017: An Interview was scheduled - marked as no-show as they didn't actually send out a notification of interview. FML 
April  2017: Filed an official complaint with the ombudsman, and have requested Senator & Congressman assistance
August 2017: Interview - switched to a (finalised) divorce waiver. Told that decision will be made that afternoon, but no problems foreseen with my case. 
October 2017: Letter of Denial received - reason given as 'I-751 petition was not properly filed'. Discovered ex-spouse made false allegations to USCIS in 2015. No opportunity given to review & refute allegations  - contrary to USCIS policy.

I-751 #2 - Oct 2017 - Mar 2021[Denied] 

 

October 2017: Within 72hrs of receiving denial notice, a new waiver I-751, divorce decree & $680 cheque, sent to Vermont via FedEx overnight 9am priority.  
Dec 2019: Filed FOIA request for full A# file
Feb 2020: FOIA request completed - entire A# file received as a .PDF; 197 pages fully redacted, and 80 partially redacted. Don't waste your time!
March 2021: I-751 #2 denied for lack of evidence. No RFE, no interview, and evidence in previous I-751 not reviewed - contrary to policy. Huge errors in adjudication.

N-400 - Feb 2018 - Apr 2021 [Denied]

 

February 2018: N-400 filed online.  $725 paid to the USCIS paperwork wastage fund

February  2019: Interview - cancelled after a four hour wait due to 'missing paperwork' on their end. Promised Expedited reschedule.

March 2021: Interview letter received, strangely dated after I-751 denial. No I-751 interview conducted. N-400 interview and test passed, given 'cannot make a decision at this time' paper due to the ongoing I-751 nightmare...

April 2021: N-400 denial received citing recent I-751 denial as basis for ineligibility, even though it should have been a combo interview 🤯

I AM JACK'S COMPLETE LACK OF SURPRISE

Service Motion - March 2021 [Sent via FedEx & COMPLETELY IGNORED by USCIS]

 

March 2021: Service Motion request sent overnight addressed direectly to field office director, requesting urgent review and re-opening, based on errors in adjudication - citing USCIS policy, AFM and memorandums as basis for errors. This was completely ignored by USCIS.

 I-751 #3 - June 2021 - Jan 2024 [Denied]

 

IT'S GROUNDHOG DAY

June 2021: I-751 #3 (30+lbs/5000 pages of paperwork) & another $680 sent to USCIS via FedEx ($300+..thanks) .... 

June 2021: Receipt issued, card charged, biometrics waived, infopass scheduled for I-551 stamp number ten.....

Feb 2022: RFIE (no, not an RFE, a Request For Initial Evidence) received, for copies of the divorce paperwork that they already have 😑

July 2022: Infopass for I-551 stamp number eleven.....

August 2023: Infopass for I-551 stamp number twelve....

January 2024: Denial received, ignoring the overwhelming majority of the filing, abundance of evidence, and refutation of a provably false allegation. The denial also contradicts itself in multiple places, as if it was written by someone with an IQ <50.

HAPPY NEW YEAR

 

2024: FML. Seriously. I'm done. 

 

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