Visit visa - visiting my parents in usa ( greencard holders )

[Boiler 43,588]

I assume it was short for Southern, now the politics of the Island or Ireland are very complicated...........

 

 

[Duke & Marie 1,389]

2 hours ago, Boiler said:

What do you think Northern Ireland falls under?

 

Amway I assume the OP is on a Student Visa in Eire, does make me wonder of her parents have filed for to Immigrate to the US.

I know it’s part of uk.. but think it was excluded a few year back due to ira and political issues.. 

[Duke & Marie 1,389]

2 hours ago, SusieQQQ said:

Can’t just be “resident”, must be citizen or national (that is, need the passport)

 

Yeah, but you’d be surprised how many Pakistan people have dual given uk is part of the commonwealth etc.. there’s a very good chance there is some form of connection.. I wouldn’t automatically assume a student visa or non uk resident or citizenship rights. 

[Duke & Marie 1,389]

2 hours ago, SusieQQQ said:

I’ve never heard anyone refer to “Sth Ireland” before.

 

this particular angle might be moot at some point again anyway https://www.economist.com/leaders/2020/02/13/irish-unification-is-becoming-likelier

Yeah, I had a bunch of problems with Ireland when I joined the Australian military..

 

I auto get citizenship in Ireland through descent via my mom (Sth Ireland/not UK owned) if she’d of been born Nth Ireland I wouldn’t have been permitted to join the Army, even though I also have uk citizenship through my dad and nth Ireland is part of uk.. is weird.. political.. 

 

anyways..like i mentioned in other post.. he’s possibly in same boat as me, many Pakistan auto get uk citizenship via commonwealth process.. wouldn’t auto assume student visa all it takes is for one of his grandparents or parents to have it and boom he’s got uk citezenship.. also need to remember 90% of commonwealth country residents got auto citizenship to uk prior to mid 60’s without ever having applied or been there, it was stated on birth certificates as British subject.. so it’s highly likely he has it

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[Duke & Marie 1,389]

3 hours ago, SusieQQQ said:

I’ve never heard anyone refer to “Sth Ireland” before.

 

this particular angle might be moot at some point again anyway https://www.economist.com/leaders/2020/02/13/irish-unification-is-becoming-likelier

Commonwealth... Brithish Birth, British citizen, national or subject... he may already have uk rights and just not know it.. in which case VWP is very much available too him provided he’s in Southern Ireland 

 

Commonwealth countries and citizenship is kinda complex 

 

https://media.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php/british-nationality-subject-citizen/

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[SusieQQQ 11,584]

2 hours ago, Duke & Marie said:

Yeah, but you’d be surprised how many Pakistan people have dual given uk is part of the commonwealth etc.. there’s a very good chance there is some form of connection.. I wouldn’t automatically assume a student visa or non uk resident or citizenship rights. 

Um, I’m from a commonwealth country too. It does not just confer British citizenship or nationality on you. You need ancestry for that. Certainly never heard about the auto citizenship conferred on minions in the empire, if that’s the case there are literally about a billion people between the subcontinent and Africa able to just claim British citizenship. You know, the whole point of the colonialism/empire thing was to take stuff from the land, not to confer citizenship rights on the colonized, lol. Anyway more than happy to be proved wrong, as would many of my friends back home, so I’d love a reference to this auto citizenship stuff? All the examples you use in your post involved ancestry. 

 

Also, the politically defined countries are Ireland and Northern Ireland. Good luck going to Dublin and telling them they live in a place called “Southern Ireland”... (as you point out “not U.K. owned” lol)

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[Boiler 43,588]

[SusieQQQ 11,584]

1 hour ago, Duke & Marie said:

Commonwealth... Brithish Birth, British citizen, national or subject... he may already have uk rights and just not know it.. in which case VWP is very much available too him provided he’s in Southern Ireland 

 

Commonwealth countries and citizenship is kinda complex 

 

https://media.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php/british-nationality-subject-citizen/

Yeah, read this, offical UK, the “British subject” thing was unofficial until 1983 (in other words it just means you were colonized lol) and after that you could only be a British subject (able to get passport) if you had been a British subject till then but were NOT a citizen of one of those countries ...ruling out almost everyone. (Special exception for some Irish)

https://www.gov.uk/types-of-british-nationality/british-subject

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[Duke & Marie 1,389]

25 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

Um, I’m from a commonwealth country too. It does not just confer British citizenship or nationality on you. You need ancestry for that. Certainly never heard about the auto citizenship conferred on minions in the empire, if that’s the case there are literally about a billion people between the subcontinent and Africa able to just claim British citizenship. You know, the whole point of the colonialism/empire thing was to take stuff from the land, not to confer citizenship rights on the colonized, lol. Anyway more than happy to be proved wrong, as would many of my friends back home, so I’d love a reference to this auto citizenship stuff? All the examples you use in your post involved ancestry. 

 

Also, the politically defined countries are Ireland and Northern Ireland. Good luck going to Dublin and telling them they live in a place called “Southern Ireland”... (as you point out “not U.K. owned” lol)

Then you probably need to look further into it.. British citizenship comes automatically via decent provided a direct relationship is through parent/grandparent. Ancestry is defined by birth certificate and like I said, it used to state on all commonwealth birth certificates that you were a British subject so it carries. and Dublin do recognise Southern Ireland as an independent state of the uk and so do the uk.. so you’re very much mistaken..

 

believe me I’ve lived through this as part of my US immigration process... also there are many members of the Australian government members whom have had to renounce uk citizenship in order to retain political standing because they got it automatically being uk citizenship unknown too them, same as Pakistani people politics.

 

Like ive said before, uk citizenship is complex, when taking into consideration commonwealth laws on immigration and citizenship, this has been further complicated by uk citizenship’s and EU passport holding as part of the who britex thing..

 

moral to story, never assume a commonwealth resident dosent hold rights to uk citizenship where there is likelihood of a direct relative born prior to 1945

 

the whole not uk owned thing in ref to vwp, is a uk citizenship right to vwp, when nth Ireland are exempt from the vwp. 🙄 not because it’s a diff entity 

 

 

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[Boiler 43,588]

The term used to be British Subject, and then things changed obviously there was a practicality issue.

 

There were changes after WW2 and from memory what was going on in HK was the driver that got us to where we are in 1983.

[Duke & Marie 1,389]

35 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

Um, I’m from a commonwealth country too. It does not just confer British citizenship or nationality on you. You need ancestry for that. Certainly never heard about the auto citizenship conferred on minions in the empire.

 If you’re from a commonwealth country it’s obvious you haven’t looked deeply enough into it, refer to constitutional rights of home country and ansesteral country overlaid with commonwealth entitlements.. like I previously mentioned. All commonwealth countries had British subject on the birth certificate... date variable pending country.. there are massive exemptions on this, not just Ireland but other countries such as Australia, Pakistan and other countries where close collinial ties maintained..

 

you personnaly may may not have looked deep enough into this, but where politics, military and immigration are concerned they apply, and you end up as a dual or having to revoke, hence my legally having citizenship to 3 countries right now

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[Duke & Marie 1,389]

16 minutes ago, Boiler said:

The term used to be British Subject, and then things changed obviously there was a practicality issue.

 

There were changes after WW2 and from memory what was going on in HK was the driver that got us to where we are in 1983.

Exactly.. massive citizenship issues prior to 83, only in 83 was everything formalised, it’s very grey 45-83 and the assumption is if you have a direct relative parent/grandparent born pre 45 u can get uk citizenship or 45-83 is conditional with regard to by decent, revoking etc.. basically assume entitlement pre 83 unless proven otherwise 

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[Duke & Marie 1,389]

39 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

Yeah, read this, offical UK, the “British subject” thing was unofficial until 1983 (in other words it just means you were colonized lol) and after that you could only be a British subject (able to get passport) if you had been a British subject till then but were NOT a citizen of one of those countries ...ruling out almost everyone. (Special exception for some Irish)

https://www.gov.uk/types-of-british-nationality/british-subject

So on your theory explain to me, how I got UK and Irish citizenship and passports if I was born Australian and never voluntarily applied for uk citizenship?

 

Working on your theory I shouldn’t have gotten it when neither of my parents were British residents at the time on my birth in 73 and they resideded within Australia with Australian citizenship... 

 

like i said, uk citizenship’s complex.. most normal people have no idea unless they are entering the military, politics or immigrating.. you need to look a lot deeper into the politics especially where Ireland is concerned given it’s treated very much like Korea as two totally seperate countries and governments 

[Duke & Marie 1,389]

1 hour ago, SusieQQQ said:

Um, I’m from a commonwealth country too. It does not just confer British citizenship or nationality on you. You need ancestry for that. Certainly never heard about the auto citizenship conferred on minions in the empire, if that’s the case there are literally about a billion people between the subcontinent and Africa able to just claim British citizenship. You know, the whole point of the colonialism/empire thing was to take stuff from the land, not to confer citizenship rights on the colonized, lol. 

Haha believe it or not they can, they just can’t afford it, FYI below ref Nigeria... which throws a whole new dimension onto banned countries 

 

https://qz.com/1235688/thousands-of-qualified-people-cant-get-uk-citizenship-because-they-cant-afford-it/

[Duke & Marie 1,389]

1 hour ago, SusieQQQ said:

Yeah, read this, offical UK, the “British subject” thing was unofficial until 1983 (in other words it just means you were colonized lol) and after that you could only be a British subject (able to get passport) if you had been a British subject till then but were NOT a citizen of one of those countries ...ruling out almost everyone. (Special exception for some Irish)

https://www.gov.uk/types-of-british-nationality/british-subject

IUntil 1981, a person born in Britain or within the British empire was automatically a British subject. When the UK changed the law, other countries followed suit—most notably New Zealand in 2005 (pdf), which changed its law so that a person born in New Zealand was no longer automatically entitled to UK Citizenship (excludes those born pre 2005). It’s also increasingly commonplace for countries to demand that people pass a test before they become citizens, and to charge application fees. And so the UK is part of a global push to turn citizenship into a commodity—one that, for many, is simply out of reach.

 

do your research, genrally until 81,85 and as late 05 citizenship was auto for commonwealth citizens..  it continues with AUS and some other countries https://qz.com/1235688/thousands-of-qualified-people-cant-get-uk-citizenship-because-they-cant-afford-it/

 

like ive said, don’t assume, people (adults) don’t have rights to uk citizenship... complicated.. where commonwealth is concerned.. not forgetting ability to revoke.. enabling  them rights of entry to US under VWP or as UK citizenship 

Edited February 16, 2020 by Duke & Marie