Mueller Investigation Cost $25 Million So Far, Report Says. It’s Pulled in $48 Million From Tax Cheats

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15 hours ago, refugee said:

Not "some back taxes" Money that was illegally laundered, much of it from Russian and Ukrainian sources.

No I am not, I am pointing out that recovering the cost of the investigation has not been an issue for other investigations 

If recovering the cost of an investigation is immaterial to the justification of the investigation, then why point this out as a subject?  Partisans will always use the cost argument of an investigation they do not agree with regardless of any information to the contrary.  The media will also use partisan arguments as well, which is hw we see which way they are leaning.  Btw, if you look at the cost of the Benghazi incident, the loss of 4 human lives, the cost of the investigation would pale in comparison.

 

14 hours ago, refugee said:

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/410167-mueller-moves-for-forfeiture-order-to-seize-manafort-assets

 

To answer the question: 40-46 million dollars in assets have been seized, not sure if they have been sold yet. About half the assets were cash.  

 

Cohen owes about 2 million in back taxes, unsure if this has been paid yet. 

 

 

The Cohen investigation of his tax cheating was done by the SDNY, not the Mueller team. 

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1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

If recovering the cost of an investigation is immaterial to the justification of the investigation, then why point this out as a subject?  Partisans will always use the cost argument of an investigation they do not agree with regardless of any information to the contrary.  The media will also use partisan arguments as well, which is hw we see which way they are leaning.  Btw, if you look at the cost of the Benghazi incident, the loss of 4 human lives, the cost of the investigation would pale in comparison.

The reason I point out the "net" cost is because the President and his supporters constantly make it apart of the argument against the  investigation. The cost  is not an argument against the investigation moving forward.

 

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The Cohen investigation of his tax cheating was done by the SDNY, not the Mueller team. 

Fair enough, take off a few million even though we know the investigations cooperated.

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1 hour ago, refugee said:

The reason I point out the "net" cost is because the President and his supporters constantly make it apart of the argument against the  investigation. The cost  is not an argument against the investigation moving forward.

 

Fair enough, take off a few million even though we know the investigations cooperated.

I am a supporter of the president, but I don't use the cost as the main reason the investigation is a waste.  To me the main reason it is a waste comes from the initiation of the investigation itself.  This all started with the FBI (that I realize we are not supposed to question) based on opposition political research that the Boy Scout James Comey used to justify spying on a political campaign.  I know this is alright since the Trump campaign was labeled a Washington outsider, so the heck with the Constitution.  Of course Comey was fired, so Mueller (Comey's mentor) was appointed with no regard to any conflicts of interest (again, Inside Washington Rules).  The minimal direction/oversight that Mueller received from Rosenstein (with his own conflicts based on his signature on some of the warrant applications to the FISA court) allowed it morph into a year and a half (and counting) all encompassing investigation that focuses on almost anything other than Russian involvement into the election of 2016.  Sure, Mueller's team has produced some indictments, they have also thumbed their nose at legal discovery rules (have the 13 Russians indicted that actually showed up in court been given the prosecution Brady material?  We know what they did with Flynn as discussed on another thread.).  The DOJ also has thwarted any attempt by the Legislative Branch's request for material.  Does the DOJ not know that this branch has oversight over the Executive Branch including the DOJ?  The entire Mueller investigation was unwarranted considering there was no alleged crime identified in its mandate and it was based solely on political opposition research that actually did include collusion with foreign agents (the UK and Russia).  However, if you think this is the best thing for the country, then fine, every four years we should automatically appoint a special prosecutor to openly investigate all attached to an incoming administration particularly if it headed by a career politician.  

 

On the other hand, had Trump not been elected, the DOJ would have continued business as usual, with little light shedding onto the politicization of that department.     

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54 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I am a supporter of the president, but I don't use the cost as the main reason the investigation is a waste.  To me the main reason it is a waste comes from the initiation of the investigation itself.  This all started with the FBI (that I realize we are not supposed to question) based on opposition political research that the Boy Scout James Comey used to justify spying on a political campaign.  I know this is alright since the Trump campaign was labeled a Washington outsider, so the heck with the Constitution.  Of course Comey was fired, so Mueller (Comey's mentor) was appointed with no regard to any conflicts of interest (again, Inside Washington Rules).  The minimal direction/oversight that Mueller received from Rosenstein (with his own conflicts based on his signature on some of the warrant applications to the FISA court) allowed it morph into a year and a half (and counting) all encompassing investigation that focuses on almost anything other than Russian involvement into the election of 2016.  Sure, Mueller's team has produced some indictments, they have also thumbed their nose at legal discovery rules (have the 13 Russians indicted that actually showed up in court been given the prosecution Brady material?  We know what they did with Flynn as discussed on another thread.).  The DOJ also has thwarted any attempt by the Legislative Branch's request for material.  Does the DOJ not know that this branch has oversight over the Executive Branch including the DOJ?  The entire Mueller investigation was unwarranted considering there was no alleged crime identified in its mandate and it was based solely on political opposition research that actually did include collusion with foreign agents (the UK and Russia).  However, if you think this is the best thing for the country, then fine, every four years we should automatically appoint a special prosecutor to openly investigate all attached to an incoming administration particularly if it headed by a career politician.  

 

On the other hand, had Trump not been elected, the DOJ would have continued business as usual, with little light shedding onto the politicization of that department.     

 

 

have the 13 Russians indicted that actually showed up in court been given the prosecution Brady material?...

 

I am not sure which 13 Russians showed up , when did that occur?

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13 Indicted, None of the 13 individuals named in the indictment were well-known oligarchs or affiliated with any Russian corporation.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2018/02/16/heres-what-the-13-russians-were-indicted-for/#3c1464f83bda 

 

A few months later, and it’s 12 Russian military officers (but no arrests made):

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/13/us/politics/mueller-indictment-russian-intelligence-hacking.html

 

Hard to score a goal, when the goal posts keep moving.

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10 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

 

 

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Edited December 18, 2018 by Randyandyuni

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Sorry, Randy, I was editing it as you were replying.  See my post again.

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3 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

Sorry, Randy, I was editing it as you were replying.  See my post again.

no worries 

 

Edited December 18, 2018 by Randyandyuni
can't spell

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5 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

Sorry, Randy, I was editing it as you were replying.  See my post again.

There were font size issues, and I could not bear the thought of being mocked by a certain simian mod.  Perish the thought!

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

Understandable ... simian fear factor

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3 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

There were font size issues, and I could not bear the thought of being mocked by a certain simian mod.  Perish the thought!

i thought you were trying to make things easier for vision impaired mods 

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1 hour ago, refugee said:

 

 

have the 13 Russians indicted that actually showed up in court been given the prosecution Brady material?...

 

I am not sure which 13 Russians showed up , when did that occur?

The Russians themselves did not appear, but they did hire a US law firm to represent them and they showed up in court representing their clients.

 

https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/386348-mueller-team-seeks-delay-in-russia-indictments-case-report

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1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

The Russians themselves did not appear, but they did hire a US law firm to represent them and they showed up in court representing their clients.

 

https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/386348-mueller-team-seeks-delay-in-russia-indictments-case-report

Well, if any one of these individuals ever steps out of Russia, Interpol can snap them up and bring them to the court in the US where they can make their plea. I doubt we will ever see that.

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2 hours ago, Satisfied said:

There were font size issues, and I could not bear the thought of being mocked by a certain simian mod.  Perish the thought!

 

1 hour ago, Randyandyuni said:

Understandable ... simian fear factor

Monkeying with the still-evolving!  Reported!!!

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6 minutes ago, refugee said:

Well, if any one of these individuals ever steps out of Russia, Interpol can snap them up and bring them to the court in the US where they can make their plea. I doubt we will ever see that.

They do not have to step out of Russia at this point, but our criminal justice system allows them to send representation when they are indicted giving them access to the discovery information per Brady.  It seems that the Mueller team did not expect that hence the request for a delay.