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We are in the process of completing a k1 visa (paperwork is with NVC currently). I was going through the checklist of what my spouse will need for the interview and she was showing me checklists of things she found on various blogs. I was filling out an i134 and noticed that it doesn't require stuff like a W2 (unless self employed), but the i184 does require last years W2. So now I'm confused if I will need to file for an i184 or if the i134 is sufficient.

i134 says the following documents need to be presented:

Submit in duplicate evidence of income and resources, as appropriate:
A. Statement from an officer of the bank or other financial institutions with deposits, identifying the following details
regarding the account:
(1) Date account opened;
(2) Total amount deposited for the past year; and
(3) Present balance.
B. Statement(s) from your employer on business stationery showing:
(1) Date and nature of employment;
(2) Salary paid; and
(3) Whether the position is temporary or permanent.
C. If self-employed:
(1) Copy of last income tax return filed; or
(2) Report of commercial rating concern.
D. List containing serial numbers and denominations of bonds and name of record owner(s)

I'm just afraid if this is going to be enough now or if I should try to file an i184 also. I'm afraid of giving previous years W2 information as I was only working part time in previous years because of attending school. I have only been working full time for the last 8 months at my current job (that does meet minimum poverty level requirements). 

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Are you talking about an I-864?   If so, that will be needed for filing adjustment of status......


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5 minutes ago, trodeback said:

We are in the process of completing a k1 visa (paperwork is with NVC currently). I was going through the checklist of what my spouse will need for the interview and she was showing me checklists of things she found on various blogs. I was filling out an i134 and noticed that it doesn't require stuff like a W2 (unless self employed), but the i184 does require last years W2. So now I'm confused if I will need to file for an i184 or if the i134 is sufficient.

i134 says the following documents need to be presented:

Submit in duplicate evidence of income and resources, as appropriate:
A. Statement from an officer of the bank or other financial institutions with deposits, identifying the following details
regarding the account:
(1) Date account opened;
(2) Total amount deposited for the past year; and
(3) Present balance.
B. Statement(s) from your employer on business stationery showing:
(1) Date and nature of employment;
(2) Salary paid; and
(3) Whether the position is temporary or permanent.
C. If self-employed:
(1) Copy of last income tax return filed; or
(2) Report of commercial rating concern.
D. List containing serial numbers and denominations of bonds and name of record owner(s)

I'm just afraid if this is going to be enough now or if I should try to file an i184 also. I'm afraid of giving previous years W2 information as I was only working part time in previous years because of attending school. I have only been working full time for the last 8 months at my current job (that does meet minimum poverty level requirements). 

For this process you just need to fill out the I-134... you will fill out the I-864 once you are married and petitioning for the green card 

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First things first just calm down a bit. Next don't say things like spouse or wife or wife or hubby, just for cautionary purposes. You need the 134 because that's what they want. The bank stuff is really more for if your income doesn't stack up to the requirements. I sent my most current bank statement in with mine just because I had it handy. If you recently got your job it would probably be a good idea to get an employee letter from HR that says when you were hired, how much you make, and that your job is permanent. They are more concerned with your current and future income than your past income. If you are truly worried it could be worth delaying the proceedings until you file 2018 taxes. Lots of experience with the Philippines around here and they can give you some good ideas on how things move there I imagine. 

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44 minutes ago, trodeback said:

We are in the process of completing a k1 visa (paperwork is with NVC currently). I was going through the checklist of what my spouse will need for the interview and she was showing me checklists of things she found on various blogs. I was filling out an i134 and noticed that it doesn't require stuff like a W2 (unless self employed), but the i184 does require last years W2. So now I'm confused if I will need to file for an i184 or if the i134 is sufficient.

i134 says the following documents need to be presented:

Submit in duplicate evidence of income and resources, as appropriate:
A. Statement from an officer of the bank or other financial institutions with deposits, identifying the following details
regarding the account:
(1) Date account opened;
(2) Total amount deposited for the past year; and
(3) Present balance.
B. Statement(s) from your employer on business stationery showing:
(1) Date and nature of employment;
(2) Salary paid; and
(3) Whether the position is temporary or permanent.
C. If self-employed:
(1) Copy of last income tax return filed; or
(2) Report of commercial rating concern.
D. List containing serial numbers and denominations of bonds and name of record owner(s)

I'm just afraid if this is going to be enough now or if I should try to file an i184 also. I'm afraid of giving previous years W2 information as I was only working part time in previous years because of attending school. I have only been working full time for the last 8 months at my current job (that does meet minimum poverty level requirements). 

You said spouse ... are you married?  What visa are you pursuing?   Yes I know you said K-1 ... there is not a spouse with that.

 

I-134 is for the K-1, Fiancee visa   <  don't go by the form or instructions too closely .. embassy wants income information and copies the most recent tax return & W2.    Embassy is not interested in assets or such.

 

This may be helpful   http://www.visaconnection-philippines.com/k-1-visa-application.html

 

I-864 is for the Immigrant visa (spouse)   this you follow the instructions

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44 minutes ago, trodeback said:

We are in the process of completing a k1 visa (paperwork is with NVC currently). I was going through the checklist of what my spouse will need for the interview and she was showing me checklists of things she found on various blogs. I was filling out an i134 and noticed that it doesn't require stuff like a W2 (unless self employed), but the i184 does require last years W2. So now I'm confused if I will need to file for an i184 or if the i134 is sufficient.

i134 says the following documents need to be presented:

Submit in duplicate evidence of income and resources, as appropriate:
A. Statement from an officer of the bank or other financial institutions with deposits, identifying the following details
regarding the account:
(1) Date account opened;
(2) Total amount deposited for the past year; and
(3) Present balance.
B. Statement(s) from your employer on business stationery showing:
(1) Date and nature of employment;
(2) Salary paid; and
(3) Whether the position is temporary or permanent.
C. If self-employed:
(1) Copy of last income tax return filed; or
(2) Report of commercial rating concern.
D. List containing serial numbers and denominations of bonds and name of record owner(s)

I'm just afraid if this is going to be enough now or if I should try to file an i184 also. I'm afraid of giving previous years W2 information as I was only working part time in previous years because of attending school. I have only been working full time for the last 8 months at my current job (that does meet minimum poverty level requirements). 

Chances are Manila will not even ask for the i134


YMMV

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A couple items...

  1. If she is your spouse, then you cannot continue the K-1 process. That would be fraud. You must be free to marry - and remain free to marry - the entire time from I-129F to entry into the US on the K-1 visa.
  2. The I-134 is for a K-1. The I-864 is for AOS later. There is no I-184.
  3. Manila COs rarely ask for an I-134, but having one prepared is suggested just in case they do.
  4. It sounds like you're confusing W-2s with tax returns. W-2s are not tax returns.
    1. A tax transcript (https://www.irs.gov/individuals/get-transcript) is the simplest way of providing a tax return copy. Otherwise the 1040 + all W-2s/1099s/etc. works fine.
    2. For the I-134, a tax return is not strictly required. Some COs want to see this for any applicant, but I don't believe Manila COs do this. Current income is king. Current income for an employee would be best demonstrated via paystubs and an employment letter.
    3. For the I-864 later, the last 3 eyars of tax return incomes must be listed, with a copy of at least the most recent years tax return copy.

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9/25/17: sent forms to Chicago

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10/4/17: NOA1 electronic notification received

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K-1:

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I-129F

12/1/17: sent

12/14/17: NOA1 hard copy received

3/10/17: RFE (IMB verification)

3/22/17: RFE response received

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4/6/2017: Received

4/12/2017: Sent to Riyadh embassy

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K-1

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For a spouse you need a CR1.


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45 minutes ago, Hank_ said:

You said spouse ... are you married?  What visa are you pursuing?   Yes I know you said K-1 ... there is not a spouse with that.

 

I-134 is for the K-1, Fiancee visa   <  don't go by the form or instructions too closely .. embassy wants income information and copies the most recent tax return & W2.    Embassy is not interested in assets or such.

 

This may be helpful   http://www.visaconnection-philippines.com/k-1-visa-application.html

 

I-864 is for the Immigrant visa (spouse)   this you follow the instructions

 

43 minutes ago, geowrian said:

A couple items...

  1. If she is your spouse, then you cannot continue the K-1 process. That would be fraud. You must be free to marry - and remain free to marry - the entire time from I-129F to entry into the US on the K-1 visa.
  2. The I-134 is for a K-1. The I-864 is for AOS later. There is no I-184.
  3. Manila COs rarely ask for an I-134, but having one prepared is suggested just in case they do.
  4. It sounds like you're confusing W-2s with tax returns. W-2s are not tax returns.
    1. A tax transcript (https://www.irs.gov/individuals/get-transcript) is the simplest way of providing a tax return copy. Otherwise the 1040 + all W-2s/1099s/etc. works fine.
    2. For the I-134, a tax return is not strictly required. Some COs want to see this for any applicant, but I don't believe Manila COs do this. Current income is king. Current income for an employee would be best demonstrated via paystubs and an employment letter.
    3. For the I-864 later, the last 3 eyars of tax return incomes must be listed, with a copy of at least the most recent years tax return copy.

 

1 hour ago, ThomasNC1988 said:

First things first just calm down a bit. Next don't say things like spouse or wife or wife or hubby, just for cautionary purposes. You need the 134 because that's what they want. The bank stuff is really more for if your income doesn't stack up to the requirements. I sent my most current bank statement in with mine just because I had it handy. If you recently got your job it would probably be a good idea to get an employee letter from HR that says when you were hired, how much you make, and that your job is permanent. They are more concerned with your current and future income than your past income. If you are truly worried it could be worth delaying the proceedings until you file 2018 taxes. Lots of experience with the Philippines around here and they can give you some good ideas on how things move there I imagine. 

Fiancee, I misspoke 

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1 minute ago, trodeback said:

 

 

Fiancee, I misspoke 

Make sure your fiance doesn't misspeak during the interview.......there have been serious consequences calling one another "spouse", Hubby", etc reported.


"Experience can be a tough teacher to those who fail to heed good advice"- Missileman, 12/6/18

 

First career- 20 year Retired E-8, USAF Missileer,

Second career-Retired Registered Nurse, experience in Labor& Delivery, Home Health, Adolescent & Adult Psych

Third career-Retired IT Developer & Database Administrator for surgical services dept.

 

Immigration Journey:

  • Texas Service Center after transfer from Nebraska
  • Consulate :Taipei, Taiwan
  • Marriage: 7/30/2015
  • I-130 NOA1 : 4/27/2016
  • I-130 Approved :9/8/2016
  • Case received at NVC: 10/11/2016                               
  • Case # and IIN#: 10/24/2016
  • AOS Fee Invoiced:10/24/2016  
  • AOS Fee Paid:10/25/2016
  • IV Fee Invoiced:10/24/2016  
  • IV Fee Paid:10/25/2016
  • DS-260 Completed: 10/28/16
  • Scan Date:11/9/2016
  • Supervisor review: 12/21/16 
  • Checklist: 1/13/17 
  • Case Complete: 4/10/17
  • Interview Date: 5/8/17 
  • Visa  "ISSUED": 5/10/17
  • Visa and Passport in hand/Flight to USA Booked!!!: 5/12/17  
  • POE Dallas DFW on June 22, 2017
  • SS Card received : 7/3/2017
  • 2-year Green Card received in mail: 7/15/17
 

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1 hour ago, ThomasNC1988 said:

I sent my most current bank statement in with mine just because I had it handy. If you recently got your job it would probably be a good idea to get an employee letter from HR that says when you were hired, how much you make, and that your job is permanent. 

I have given her my past 5 months of deposit slips, and can give her recent bank statements as well. They are all accessed online so I assume I don't have to mail any of these documents, she can just print them off when I email her the PDF? 

I also have an Employee letter from HR stating when I started, how much I make, and that I'm a full time permanent employee. 

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12 minutes ago, trodeback said:

I have given her my past 5 months of deposit slips, and can give her recent bank statements as well. They are all accessed online so I assume I don't have to mail any of these documents, she can just print them off when I email her the PDF? 

I also have an Employee letter from HR stating when I started, how much I make, and that I'm a full time permanent employee. 

This is Manila.   Bank statements don't matter 


YMMV

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This is what the majority of embassies want and specifically the Philippines. BUT, like some have said, you may not get asked for those documents but just the same have them at the interview if and case they are needed.

 

EVIDENCE OF SUPPORT. You should be able to demonstrate that you will not become a public charge or be a burden on the U.S. taxpayers for financial support. A completed I-134 Affidavit of Support Form K1/K2 Interview Preparation Instructions – English (February 2014)  Page 3 of 9 with an original signature will be useful to the consular officer to evaluate your petitioner’s ability to be financially responsible for you. You should also submit your petitioner’s most recent U.S. Federal income tax return (Form 1040) and wage statements (Form W-2). Employment letters stating salaries and bank statements may be included to substantiate the I-134. Get the IRS transcript in place of the actual 1040 here: https://www.irs.gov/Individuals/Get-Transcript


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Accepted March 19, 2014 Text message with receipt numbers

Biometrics April 16, 2014 Biometrics completed

EAD May 23, 2014 Employment Authorization Document approved and went to card production

TD May 23, 2014 Travel Document approved and went for card production

Receipt EAD/AP May 30, 2014 Received combo card EAD/AP

Green Card Approved July 11, 2014 Approved, no interview. Went to card production.

Green Card received July 17, 2014 GC received without interview

Removal of Conditions

Mailed I-751 Dec 16, 2015 Submitted ROC (removal of conditions)

Received Dec 18, 2015 USPS notification of successful delivery

Check Cashed Dec 21, 2015 Check was cashed

NOA-1 Issued Dec 21, 2015 NOA-1 for ROC issued

NOA-1 Issued Dec 26, 2015 NOA-1 Received

Biometrics Appt. Jan 29, 2016 Biometrics Appointment Scheduled [Completed]

 

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