Hillary Clinton: Santa Fe School Shooting Should Inspire ‘Soul Searching,’ Gun Control

[jg121783 3,908]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/05/18/hillary-clinton-santa-fe-school-shooting-should-inspire-soul-searching-gun-control/

 

If anyone can give an example of one criminal who willingly complies with gun laws I will fully get on board with the gun control bandwagon.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Hillary is irrelevant.. how dare you.. You might trigger the ditch 

[jg121783 3,908]

The reason for posting this has more to do with the left being up to their gun grabbing ways than it was about Hillary.

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[TBoneTX 43,536]

Thank you for your highly readable post.

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19 hours ago, jg121783 said:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/05/18/hillary-clinton-santa-fe-school-shooting-should-inspire-soul-searching-gun-control/

 

If anyone can give an example of one criminal who willingly complies with gun laws I will fully get on board with the gun control bandwagon.

That is an unrealistic expectation.

 

We have many laws that criminals don't "willingly comply" with but still make it harder for the criminals to do what they do.

 

Heck you support stricter laws regarding illegal immigration. By your reasoning - Criminal illegals aren't going to abide by our "laws". They'll just find ways around them. So what's the point of having any laws?

 

Murder is illegal, but clearly murderers don't "abide" by that. Might as well remove that law as well?

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Heck let's even take the Sante Fe shooter.

 

As far as in aware the father, the person who purchased the guns, willingly complied with all laws.

 

Is there a law saying your son can't borrow them?

 

So the shooter complied with all gun laws that I'm aware of.

 

Ready to support now?

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16 minutes ago, bcking said:

Heck let's even take the Sante Fe shooter.

 

As far as in aware the father, the person who purchased the guns, willingly complied with all laws.

 

Is there a law saying your son can't borrow them?

 

So the shooter complied with all gun laws that I'm aware of.

 

Ready to support now?

Actually if the shooter took the guns without the owner's permission that is theft.

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5 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

Actually if the shooter took the guns without the owner's permission that is theft.

That's not a gun control law, that is a different law.

 

Did he violate any specific gun laws?

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21 minutes ago, bcking said:

That is an unrealistic expectation.

 

We have many laws that criminals don't "willingly comply" with but still make it harder for the criminals to do what they do.

 

Heck you support stricter laws regarding illegal immigration. By your reasoning - Criminal illegals aren't going to abide by our "laws". They'll just find ways around them. So what's the point of having any laws?

 

Murder is illegal, but clearly murderers don't "abide" by that. Might as well remove that law as well?

My point is laws that restrict the second amendment are generally ineffective because the people they are meant to restrict disregard them while at the same time law abiding citizens have their rights restricted. Immigration laws don't restrict any rights of law abiding citizens and they are effective when they are actually enforced. You are comparing apples and oranges here. By the way I don't advocate for new immigration laws. I simply want the laws already on the books to be enforced.

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1 minute ago, bcking said:

That's not a gun control law, that is a different law.

 

Did he violate any specific gun laws?

I know stealing guns in some states is considered armed robbery.

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Just now, jg121783 said:

I know stealing guns in some states is considered armed robbery.

If criminals are going to steal regardless, why make thievery illegal?

 

Criminals will be criminals.

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3 minutes ago, bcking said:

That's not a gun control law, that is a different law.

 

Did he violate any specific gun laws?

I am not making an argument about violating gun laws. I am making the argument that criminals don't willingly comply with gun laws. Can you deminstrate where the shooter willingly compiled with any gun laws. If not you don't have an argument here.

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2 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

I am not making an argument about violating gun laws. I am making the argument that criminals don't willingly comply with gun laws. Can you deminstrate where the shooter willingly compiled with any gun laws. If not you don't have an argument here.

The guns were purchased legally, and they were used by the owners son. Is there a gun law saying your son can't use your guns?

 

This event for me points our a gap in the laws. There should be clear restrictions on who can use your firearms and you (the owner) should be held responsible unless you can show you made every effort to keep the guns out of someone else's hands.

 

As some were saying in the other thread. From this I'd say we need strict laws and punishments for people who don't properly secure/lock their weapons.

Edited May 20, 2018 by bcking

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We Should ban anything thieves might want to steal.

 

Simple.