Citizenship by Fraud / False Marriage

[deepfineleg 13]

10 hours ago, Enigma11561 said:

I would not do that. It is not your call. It is hers. I can appreciate your trying to do the "right" thing here, but to make that call and say , basically, " he said to her and she said to me" ( and still absolutely no proof of anything) will most likely go no where. Having gone through the immigration process many times, my wife, her son, his wife and daughter, and everyone becoming citizens in the long run, I have little empathy to those who circumvent the process. But I also dislike "snitching". If everyone called ICE on anyone they felt was wrongly admitted they would be getting a thousand calls a day. I might get some push back here from other members but ( BIG BUT ) if this guy truly had severe hardships, and this was an only option, and did it out of severe desperation, and he is a good guy, and all of this is over 5 years old to begin with, maybe, just maybe, this might be a case where leave well enough alone and let ICE concentrate of the bad guys. IMHO.

Thanks for the reply. The reason that I would still go ahead report is: I consider, the Person A "maybe" lying about hardship/atrocities. This is my conclusion based on interacting people from his country at my work and they don't seem to paint the picture of the as such through their experiences. Further, if there were indeed hardships as such, then, America has legal channels available for applying through refugee etc. type of immigration.

 

Yes, it will be the case of information behind passed upon to me and that I'm not getting the confession first hand. However, it is for ICE to determine the validity. Even, if I agree with you about experiencing atrocities....gaming US laws isn't okay. And, I worry about my cousin being part of such family where they collectively fabricated such scheme.

 

Let the authorities decide if they act upon the information provided.

[deepfineleg 13]

8 hours ago, maryLu said:

Before giving advice on who should report who, we need to keep in mind tat there's always two sides to each story! 

 

What is the other side? Someone confessed to my cousin about entering into false marriage and obtaining residency/citizenship. 

[deepfineleg 13]

6 hours ago, Bahatj said:

True! Lets see if this deepfineleg person will heed those admonitions to not report and leave it to the discretion of the parties involved. He/She was quick to agree with those who say report but then again, you got to ascertain the story in entirety before arrogating such responsibilities to yourself. IMHO, it's her and only her call to report or not.

 

"this deepfineleg person" doesn't feel that it is appropriate to circumvent the immigration laws. It is for the authorities to decide whether it is reported by my cousin or I.

 

[deepfineleg 13]

1 hour ago, andy78 said:

 

First of all, why report if she is planning to marry the person? Is she trying to sabotage the marriage from the start / stab her future husband in the back?

 

Second, does she have any actual evidence of any kind to support HER CLAIM that the person committed fraud?  If not, then what is there to report?

 

 

 

Thanks for the reply. To answer your questions in the order:

 

1. She is trying to do the legal/moral thing. It is not about stabbing into anyone's back. The Person A would know when my cousin reports.

 

2. I agree. She doesn't have any evidence besides confession. Hence, she is limited to reporting: name, address(es), and place of work.

[candybabe 46]

Your cousin's decision to marry Person A is HERS and HERS ALONE - You have NO say in who she marries , for WHAT reasons, what kind of family  etc - NONE -

 

Reporting Person A yourself with no consideration to the fact that it is your cousin's decision , not yours,  will accomplish nothing - You will go from being a person of trust to being a petty anonymous tipper grasping at the faint straws of some hearsay information with no proof. You will not get any medals for morality - On the contrary - you will have betrayed trust in confidence.

 

it will ensure that you will forever lose the respect,trust and love of your cousin for playing judge, witness and executioner in her life.

 

I am a big advocate for legal immigration -  I absolutely despise people that are so willing to find flaws that they will grasp at anything to feel entitled to a judgment call.

 

Person A, if true, will carry the moral burden of their actions - Your cousin, based on her decision, will carry it as well - YOU have no role in any of this.

 

I am not an immigration specialist / lawyer.

 

 

 

 

 

[deepfineleg 13]

35 minutes ago, candybabe said:

Your cousin's decision to marry Person A is HERS and HERS ALONE - You have NO say in who she marries , for WHAT reasons, what kind of family  etc - NONE -

 

Agreed. Since mine is close-knit extended family, cousin sought advice from family members. She was advised as such that it is her decision to marry whoever she wants. Her decision alone....exactly as you noted. Also, my family asked her to report and marry. 

 

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Reporting Person A yourself with no consideration to the fact that it is your cousin's decision , not yours,  will accomplish nothing - You will go from being a person of trust to being a petty anonymous tipper grasping at the faint straws of some hearsay information with no proof. You will not get any medals for morality - On the contrary - you will have betrayed trust in confidence.

 

Based on the information provided by cousin....not just rumours/hearsay. Family will make such call to authorities if we have accept someone in our family. We do not condone any fraud. Of course, if our cousin decides to disconnect from family then it's her wish and then we have nothing to report as it will be non-issue.

 

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it will ensure that you will forever lose the respect,trust and love of your cousin for playing judge, witness and executioner in her life.

 

There is open dialogue. No one is doing anything behind anyone's back.

 

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I am a big advocate for legal immigration -  I absolutely despise people that are so willing to find flaws that they will grasp at anything to feel entitled to a judgment call.

 

Person A, if true, will carry the moral burden of their actions - Your cousin, based on her decision, will carry it as well - YOU have no role in any of this.

 

Me/My Family do not want to be associated with someone who is potential criminal. Family will make such call to authorities if we have accept someone in our family. We do not condone any fraud. Of course, if our cousin decides to disconnect from family then it's her wish and then we have nothing to report as it will be non-issue.

 

You can despise; but as American citizen, I can make call to report and it will be authorities making the judgment call to investigate or not. 

 

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I am not an immigration specialist / lawyer.

 

Thanks.

Edited December 4, 2017 by deepfineleg

[candybabe 46]

1 hour ago, deepfineleg said:

Also, my family asked her to report and marry. 

What kind of twisted advice is that ???? If she reports him, then he will have to live with the potential threat of being deported for the rest of his life ??? And she will be responsible for his anguish forever ?

 What kind of family advises that ?!?!?!?

If you decide your morality comes first - then report him and forget all about the marriage.

Why would you allow a young girl to marry someone that may be deported and then have to face DIVORCE or whose kids may never see their father or God only knows what ???!!!

 

"as American citizen, I can make call to report " - This sounds highly VIGILANTE - It also sounds VERY RACIST - you probably despise that he is an immigrant and this is your way of "making things right".

 

"Family will make such call to authorities if we have accept someone in our family" - this is the FARTHEST thing from "acceptance".... You guys need to work on your definitions....as a family obviously

[Ontarkie 13,955]

Regardless of who reports him or not he will forever be looking over his shoulder. He payed to immigrate here and the USC that helped him is in just as much trouble. He alone is responsible for any anguish he may suffer. 

 

 

IMPORTANT INFORMATION ABOUT FRAUDULENT OR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION ACTIVITIES

VisaJourney does not condone immigration fraud in any way, shape or manner. VisaJourney recommends that if any member or user knows directly of someone involved in fraudulent or illegal activity, that they report such activity directly to the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement. You can contact ICE via email at Immigration.Reply@dhs.gov or you can telephone ICE at 1-866-347-2423. All reported threads/posts containing reference to immigration fraud or illegal activities will be removed from this board. 

For more information on immigration and how immigration fraud affects all members of the immigration community please see USCIS.GOV. 

Edited December 6, 2017 by Ontarkie

[deepfineleg 13]

6 hours ago, candybabe said:

What kind of twisted advice is that ???? If she reports him, then he will have to live with the potential threat of being deported for the rest of his life ??? And she will be responsible for his anguish forever ?

 

The person committing a crime is responsible for any anguish. If he hasn't committed a crime then he will not be bothered.

 

6 hours ago, candybabe said:

 What kind of family advises that ?!?!?!?

If you decide your morality comes first - then report him and forget all about the marriage.

 

Marriage is cousin's personal decision. Family has asked her to report if she wants to be part of the family. It is a free country, she can leave the family and then there is non-issue. Family doesn't want to be associated with any scams or criminality.

 

6 hours ago, candybabe said:

Why would you allow a young girl to marry someone that may be deported and then have to face DIVORCE or whose kids may never see their father or God only knows what ???!!!

 

That is her choice to take such action even after advised of such situation to arise in the future.

6 hours ago, candybabe said:

 

"as American citizen, I can make call to report " - This sounds highly VIGILANTE - It also sounds VERY RACIST - you probably despise that he is an immigrant and this is your way of "making things right".

 

That sounds judgmental and lacking prudent thought. I came to this country as immigrant: F1 Student Visa - OPT - H1B (multiples and for many years) - Labour - I140 - I485 - Green Card - N400 - Citizenship. It has been a journey of 17+ years. So I would disagree with your analysis which is not based on facts.

 

 

6 hours ago, candybabe said:

 

"Family will make such call to authorities if we have accept someone in our family" - this is the FARTHEST thing from "acceptance".... You guys need to work on your definitions....as a family obviously

 

What can I say. Family doesn't want to be associated with any scams or criminality. Maybe you need to reconsider your judgment of reporting crimes. Loose analogy but isn't that what we seeing in media these days about various women didn't report the crime when it happened. It is a lesson on broader context that it is better to speak up.

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Ontarkie said:

Regardless of who reports him or not he will forever be looking over his shoulder. He payed to immigrate here and the USC that helped him is in just as much trouble. He alone is responsible for any anguish he may suffer. 

 

 

IMPORTANT INFORMATION ABOUT FRAUDULENT OR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION ACTIVITIES

VisaJourney does not condone immigration fraud in any way, shape or manner. VisaJourney recommends that if any member or user knows directly of someone involved in fraudulent or illegal activity, that they report such activity directly to the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement. You can contact ICE via email at Immigration.Reply@dhs.gov or you can telephone ICE at 1-866-347-2423. All reported threads/posts containing reference to immigration fraud or illegal activities will be removed from this board. 

For more information on immigration and how immigration fraud affects all members of the immigration community please see USCIS.GOV. 

 

Thanks for the phone number and links. I will be passing them onto my cousin.

[geowrian 22,336]

21 minutes ago, candybabe said:

An F1 visa is a nonimmigrant visa for those wishing to study in the U.S.

 

you came as a NON-IMMIGRANT with an INTENT TO IMMIGRATE

1) This path is completely legitimate so long as the last entry into the US was not for the purpose of bypassing immigration laws. Once inside the US, you are perfectly free to seek employment that eventually leads to sponsorship for a green card. You cannot seek to immigrate on that visit during admission, but you are allowed to have intent to eventually immigrate through legal means.

2) H-1B is a dual intent visa that permits immigrant intent (like a K-1).

Edited December 5, 2017 by geowrian

[Ontarkie 13,955]

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[njblue 51]

Sorry but I think you so worry about your cousin boyfriend!! Are you in love with him ? Just curiosity..

[JoeSchmoe2017 92]

Looks like this topic is going nowhere. 

[deepfineleg 13]

Cousin reported the boyfriend for sham/fraud marriage to obtain citizenship and decided to discontinue the relationship. Thanks for all who commented.

[geowrian 22,336]

Thank you for sharing the update. Much appreciated.