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To prove my US citizenship in the initial I 129f package, I sent the info page of my passport - the official site didnt mention needing all pages scanned. Now, im reading some things here and elsewhere about needing to scan every page of the passport - is this necessary? Will I get an RFE for the rest of my passport? I received NOA1 on July 19th; if I do need to send the whole passport what is the best step, wait, or send the full scan immediately to the CA service center?

 

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Yes, if using a passport as proof of being a USC then you should provide all pages of the passport.

 

While I don't see the same exact wording in the current I-129F, the next-to-current I-129F instructions stated:

"5. What Documents Do You Need to Show That You Are a U.S. Citizen?"

...

"d. In place of any of the above, you may submit a copy of your valid, unexpired U.S. passport issued with a validity period of at least 5 years. You must submit all pages in the passport."

 

Did they change the requirement with the latest I-129F, or was the wording just altered and became not as clear? I guess only time will tell.

 

USCIS generally will not accept any new documentation until they request it (i.e. via an RFE). I tried to add a statement from the dating website where I met my fiancee to show that they were not an IMB, but USCIS rejected it. This was in early 2017.

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Timelines:

Spoiler

AOS (I-485 + I-131 + I-765):

9/25/17: sent forms to Chicago

9/27/17: received by USCIS

10/4/17: NOA1 electronic notification received

10/10/17: NOA1 hard copy received. Social Security card being issued in married name (3rd attempt!)

10/14/17: Biometrics appointment notice received

10/25/17: Biometrics

1/2/18: EAD + AP approved (no website update)

1/5/18: EAD + AP mailed

1/8/18: EAD + AP approval notice hardcopies received

1/10/18: EAD + AP received

9/5/18: Interview scheduled notice

10/17/18: Interview

10/17/18: Approved

?/?/?: Green card received

 

K-1:

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I-129F

12/1/17: sent

12/14/17: NOA1 hard copy received

3/10/17: RFE (IMB verification)

3/22/17: RFE response received

3/24/17: Approved!

3/30/17: NOA2 hard copy received

 

NVC

4/6/2017: Received

4/12/2017: Sent to Riyadh embassy

4/16/2017: Case received at Riyadh embassy

4/21/2017: Request case transfer to Manila, approved 4/24/2017

 

K-1

5/1/2017: Case received by Manila (1 week embassy transfer??? Lucky~)

7/13/2017: Interview: APPROVED!!!

7/19/2017: Visa in hand

8/15/2017: POE

 

 

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3 minutes ago, SSNT9777 said:

So probably nothing else to do except wait for the inevitable RFE and send all the pages and/or my birth certificate then?

Wait? Yup. Since the wording did change, I guess there's a little hope they will accept it. I personally sent my BC (easier than copying an entire passport).


Timelines:

Spoiler

AOS (I-485 + I-131 + I-765):

9/25/17: sent forms to Chicago

9/27/17: received by USCIS

10/4/17: NOA1 electronic notification received

10/10/17: NOA1 hard copy received. Social Security card being issued in married name (3rd attempt!)

10/14/17: Biometrics appointment notice received

10/25/17: Biometrics

1/2/18: EAD + AP approved (no website update)

1/5/18: EAD + AP mailed

1/8/18: EAD + AP approval notice hardcopies received

1/10/18: EAD + AP received

9/5/18: Interview scheduled notice

10/17/18: Interview

10/17/18: Approved

?/?/?: Green card received

 

K-1:

Spoiler

I-129F

12/1/17: sent

12/14/17: NOA1 hard copy received

3/10/17: RFE (IMB verification)

3/22/17: RFE response received

3/24/17: Approved!

3/30/17: NOA2 hard copy received

 

NVC

4/6/2017: Received

4/12/2017: Sent to Riyadh embassy

4/16/2017: Case received at Riyadh embassy

4/21/2017: Request case transfer to Manila, approved 4/24/2017

 

K-1

5/1/2017: Case received by Manila (1 week embassy transfer??? Lucky~)

7/13/2017: Interview: APPROVED!!!

7/19/2017: Visa in hand

8/15/2017: POE

 

 

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13 minutes ago, geowrian said:

Yes, if using a passport as proof of being a USC then you should provide all pages of the passport.

 

While I don't see the same exact wording in the current I-129F, the next-to-current I-129F instructions stated:

"5. What Documents Do You Need to Show That You Are a U.S. Citizen?"

...

"d. In place of any of the above, you may submit a copy of your valid, unexpired U.S. passport issued with a validity period of at least 5 years. You must submit all pages in the passport."

 

Did they change the requirement with the latest I-129F, or was the wording just altered and became not as clear? I guess only time will tell.

 

USCIS generally will not accept any new documentation until they request it (i.e. via an RFE). I tried to add a statement from the dating website where I met my fiancee to show that they were not an IMB, but USCIS rejected it. This was in early 2017.

Dude are you serious right now? All pages? What are they gonna do with empty pages? Can you explain where does it say that you should print all the pages from passport? I only heard about info pages where contains all the information.

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4 minutes ago, amiralam45 said:

Dude are you serious right now? All pages? What are they gonna do with empty pages? Can you explain where does it say that you should print all the pages from passport? I only heard about info pages where contains all the information.

I can't speak for what they will do with them, but that's directly from the I-129F instructions as of a few months ago (and prior editions at least back to 2013).

 


Timelines:

Spoiler

AOS (I-485 + I-131 + I-765):

9/25/17: sent forms to Chicago

9/27/17: received by USCIS

10/4/17: NOA1 electronic notification received

10/10/17: NOA1 hard copy received. Social Security card being issued in married name (3rd attempt!)

10/14/17: Biometrics appointment notice received

10/25/17: Biometrics

1/2/18: EAD + AP approved (no website update)

1/5/18: EAD + AP mailed

1/8/18: EAD + AP approval notice hardcopies received

1/10/18: EAD + AP received

9/5/18: Interview scheduled notice

10/17/18: Interview

10/17/18: Approved

?/?/?: Green card received

 

K-1:

Spoiler

I-129F

12/1/17: sent

12/14/17: NOA1 hard copy received

3/10/17: RFE (IMB verification)

3/22/17: RFE response received

3/24/17: Approved!

3/30/17: NOA2 hard copy received

 

NVC

4/6/2017: Received

4/12/2017: Sent to Riyadh embassy

4/16/2017: Case received at Riyadh embassy

4/21/2017: Request case transfer to Manila, approved 4/24/2017

 

K-1

5/1/2017: Case received by Manila (1 week embassy transfer??? Lucky~)

7/13/2017: Interview: APPROVED!!!

7/19/2017: Visa in hand

8/15/2017: POE

 

 

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Whether I just missed it or not isn't important now, just wanted to know what to do going forward. Should mention that I'm doing this while living abroad so everything has to be sent back to a family member and assembled/mailed by them as the courier doesn't send to PO Boxes, adding an extra layer of difficulty to the whole process.

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Anecdotally, I didn't send all of the pages either and I didn't get an RFE. But it might just depend on who ends up reviewing your case.


Victoria & Nicholas

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August 2009: Met online

October 2013: First in-person visit

February 2016: Second in-person visit

July 2016: Third in-person visit

March 2017: Fourth in-person visit (Got engaged March 13th, 2017). 
October 2017: Got married on October 21, 2017!

 

 

I-129F

Spoiler

03/20/2017: Application sent to Dallas lockbox via USPS Priority Mail

03/22/2017: Application delivered and signed for.

03/27/2017: Check for I-129F payment cashed.

03/28/2017: Text and email NOA1 received.

04/03/2017: Hard copy NOA1 received.

07/18/2017: Petition approved and NOA2 sent out.

07/22/2017: NOA2 hard copy received.

07/28/2017: NVC received case from USCIS.

08/02/2017: Case number assigned. 

08/03/2017: Case changed to "In Transit".

08/11/2017: Embassy received case.

08/11/2017: Medical!

08/20/2017: Interview date assigned.

08/29/2017: Interview! (APPROVED!!)

09/01/2017: Non-immigrant case created in CEAC.

09/04/2017: Status changed to Administrative processing.

09/05/2017: Status changed to Issued.

09/06/2017: Visa in hand!

09/14/2017: POE!

10/21/2017: Got married!

 

I-485 (and EAD + AP)

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11/26/2017: I-485 (Plus EAD and AP applications) sent to Chicago.

 

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Let's hope for the same here. :)


Timelines:

Spoiler

AOS (I-485 + I-131 + I-765):

9/25/17: sent forms to Chicago

9/27/17: received by USCIS

10/4/17: NOA1 electronic notification received

10/10/17: NOA1 hard copy received. Social Security card being issued in married name (3rd attempt!)

10/14/17: Biometrics appointment notice received

10/25/17: Biometrics

1/2/18: EAD + AP approved (no website update)

1/5/18: EAD + AP mailed

1/8/18: EAD + AP approval notice hardcopies received

1/10/18: EAD + AP received

9/5/18: Interview scheduled notice

10/17/18: Interview

10/17/18: Approved

?/?/?: Green card received

 

K-1:

Spoiler

I-129F

12/1/17: sent

12/14/17: NOA1 hard copy received

3/10/17: RFE (IMB verification)

3/22/17: RFE response received

3/24/17: Approved!

3/30/17: NOA2 hard copy received

 

NVC

4/6/2017: Received

4/12/2017: Sent to Riyadh embassy

4/16/2017: Case received at Riyadh embassy

4/21/2017: Request case transfer to Manila, approved 4/24/2017

 

K-1

5/1/2017: Case received by Manila (1 week embassy transfer??? Lucky~)

7/13/2017: Interview: APPROVED!!!

7/19/2017: Visa in hand

8/15/2017: POE

 

 

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In the current I-129F instructions they say ". A copy of your valid, unexpired U.S. passport or passport card issued with a validity period of at least five years" and they specifically removed the part asking for all pages.

 

Logically, I am left to deduce they do not need all pages. They are perhaps imperfect, but they certainly would not remove the part asking for all pages by accident. 


 

 


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15 hours ago, geowrian said:

I can't speak for what they will do with them, but that's directly from the I-129F instructions as of a few months ago (and prior editions at least back to 2013).

 

Exactly why I sent ALL of mine in.. they mention that for a reason. It might not make sense to us,but i'm sure the USCIS has their reasons.


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16 hours ago, amiralam45 said:

What are they gonna do with empty pages? With all due, those people who are saying stuff like that to you needs to be educated. 

You are required to send all pages, maybe not blank pages but front and back cover, bio pages, and all pages with stamps.... 

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16 hours ago, SSNT9777 said:

So probably nothing else to do except wait for the inevitable RFE and send all the pages and/or my birth certificate then?

If you have your case number it wouldn't hurt to send it in with your case number as a cover page and hope it makes it to your file, who ever mails it for you should send it with a return receipt requested. It should go to the service center that has your file. It may make it to your file and avoid a RFE

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It's better to send them and be on the safe side. Even if it doesn't state you must anymore,  you still never know if an adjucator is made aware of that or not. I guess we can keep an eye out in the next months and see if this produces any RFE's. This will be the only way to know for sure. Also with your birth certificate I'd send the front and back of this as well. 


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NOA1 -- 2-24-2016

NOA2 -- 05-02-2016

NVC received -- 05-13-2016

NVC left -- 05-18-2016

Embassy received -- 5-22-2016

Interview Date -- 8-31-2016

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