Obese patients and smokers banned from routine surgery in 'most severe ever' rationing in the NHS

[Unidentified 2,930]

Okay I haven't read the article but... Isn't there already restrictions on obese and smokers because of the risk surgery pose on these people? Insane that they will do it for budget reasons but I thought it was already sort of happening due to safety for the patient. 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

1 hour ago, Teddy B said:

I'm curious how a chick from Tennessee hooked up with a dude from the UK and then smuggled the gun into the UK for the wedding. Wait, what?

90 day Fiance the British Version!

[Dashinka 25,856]

2 hours ago, Boiler said:

Source?

Car accidents and homicides don’t tell us much about health care quality

 

Another point worth making is that people die for other reasons than health. For example, people die because of car accidents and violent crime. A few years back, Robert Ohsfeldt of Texas A&M and John Schneider of the University of Iowa asked the obvious question: what happens if you remove deaths from fatal injuries from the life expectancy tables? Among the 29 members of the OECD, the U.S. vaults from 19th place to…you guessed it…first. Japan, on the same adjustment, drops from first to ninth.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/11/23/the-myth-of-americans-poor-life-expectancy/#5ba3bcb32b98

[Teddy B 17,252]

9 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

90 day Fiance the British Version!

It's really great that president Trump has opened our borders and made all of this intercontinental gun violence possible!

[sarahandyunus 133]

If you can't commit to taking care of yourself why should healthcare providers spend resources/time on you? The same policies should be implemented in the US as well. Obesity and smoking are choices and should be approached as such. 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

2 minutes ago, sarahandyunus said:

If you can't commit to taking care of yourself why should healthcare providers spend resources/time on you? The same policies should be implemented in the US as well. Obesity and smoking are choices and should be approached as such. 

So is sex change surgery. Oops. 

[sarahandyunus 133]

Just now, Nature Boy Flair said:

So is sex change surgery. Oops. 

I don't get what that has to do with this discussion at all..? I'm not sure if you think I had sex change surgery, but I can assure you I didn't. But thanks for the comment.

[Boiler 47,478]

16 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Car accidents and homicides don’t tell us much about health care quality

 

Another point worth making is that people die for other reasons than health. For example, people die because of car accidents and violent crime. A few years back, Robert Ohsfeldt of Texas A&M and John Schneider of the University of Iowa asked the obvious question: what happens if you remove deaths from fatal injuries from the life expectancy tables? Among the 29 members of the OECD, the U.S. vaults from 19th place to…you guessed it…first. Japan, on the same adjustment, drops from first to ninth.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/11/23/the-myth-of-americans-poor-life-expectancy/#5ba3bcb32b98

That is somewhat old

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

 

Quite why 20 years there were so many fatal injuries in the US is another question.

 

An interesting comparison is of course expenditure vs results.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Someone who likes to type will be along to manslain  it to you in a bit. 

[CaliCat 3,957]

32 minutes ago, sarahandyunus said:

I don't get what that has to do with this discussion at all..? I'm not sure if you think I had sex change surgery, but I can assure you I didn't. But thanks for the comment.

 

It doesn't. 

 

[IAMX 3,055]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

So is sex change surgery. Oops. 

LOL

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Someone who likes to type will be along to manslain  it to you in a bit. 

How will we know what gender the mans-plainer is?

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

34 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

How will we know what gender the mans-plainer is?

I know your part of the MDL but I am going to reach across  the isle and give you props for creativity and humor, without endorsing your position. 

[sarahandyunus 133]

3 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I know your part of the MDL but I am going to reach across  the isle and give you props for creativity and humor, without endorsing your position. 

*aisle 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 hour ago, CaliCat said:

 

It doesn't. 

 

Well we are talking about paying for medical treatments that are the results of choices that are totally preventable,  even a caveman could see the easy correlation