Obese patients and smokers banned from routine surgery in 'most severe ever' rationing in the NHS

[Dashinka 25,505]

I guess they do rationing in the U.K.

 

• Henry Bodkin
• 2 September 2016 • 10:00pm

  Obese people will be routinely refused operations across the NHS, health service bosses have warned, after one authority said it would limit procedures on an unprecedented scale.

  Hospital leaders in North Yorkshire said that patients with a body mass index (BMI) of 30 or above – as well as smokers – will be barred from most surgery for up to a year amid increasingly desperate measures to plug a funding black hole. The restrictions will apply to standard hip and knee operations.

  The decision, described by the Royal College of Surgeons as the “most severe the modern NHS has ever seen”, led to warnings that other trusts will soon be forced to follow suit and rationing will become the norm if the current funding crisis continues.

   

   

  Chris Hopson, the head of NHS Providers, which represents acute care, ambulance and community services, said: “I think we are going to see more and more decisions like this.

  “It’s the only way providers are going to be able to balance their books, and in a way you have to applaud their honesty. You can see why they’re doing this – the service is bursting at the seams.” 

  The announcement is the latest in a series of setbacks for patients who are facing rolling strikes by junior doctors that threaten to cripple the health service as winter approaches.

  The decision by Vale of York Clinical Commissioning Group (CCG) comes amid increasing limits across the NHS on surgery for cataracts as well as hip and knee operations.

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  Last month St Helens CCG in Merseyside said it was considering temporarily suspending all non-essential hospital referrals by GPs because of financial concerns.

  Reports of rationing have emerged after NHS England admitted in May that its provider sector overspent by £2.45 billion in 2015-16,  more than a threefold increase on the previous year.

  The figure, which was described as conservative by think-tanks, prompted some hospital chief executives to question the future viability of free universal healthcare.

   

  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/02/obese-patients-and-smokers-banned-from-all-routine-operations-by/

   

   

[Boiler 46,976]

I always took the view the NHS was ####### for a whole variety of reasons. Including personal experience.

 

Sadly the US is worse.

[IAMX 3,055]

- No fiscally conservative approach.

- Wanting to cover refugees and everyone else.

 

Shouldn't be a surprise they have issues. Every country with universal should be watching this situation and react accordingly. Not covering people for surgery because they're fat or smokers is incredibly stupid and in most cases will only help lead to more serious problems to take care of.

Edited August 2, 2017 by IAMX

[Dashinka 25,505]

33 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I always took the view the NHS was ####### for a whole variety of reasons. Including personal experience.

 

Sadly the US is worse.

I think the US is better in a lot of ways except for cost.  I know often it is reported that the countries with the single payer systems have greater life expectancy than the US, but when you remove accidental and homicide related deaths, the US is actually on top of the life expectancy statistic.

5 minutes ago, IAMX said:

- No fiscally conservative approach.

- Wanting to cover refugees and everyone else.

 

Shouldn't be a surprise they have issues. Every country with universal should be watching this situation and react accordingly. Not covering people for surgery because they're fat or smokers is incredibly stupid and in most cases will only help lead to more serious problems to take care of.

Better watch out.  Isn't Canada taking in a large amount of refugees?

[IAMX 3,055]

5 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I think the US is better in a lot of ways except for cost.  I know often it is reported that the countries with the single payer systems have greater life expectancy than the US, but when you remove accidental and homicide related deaths, the US is actually on top of the life expectancy statistic.

Better watch out.  Isn't Canada taking in a large amount of refugees?

Yep, and as someone linked on this forum recently, Ontario in particular is having trouble.

 

Alberta has always been well off, but taking in refugees will make the costs higher, especially since the overwhelming majority are jobless and utterly useless for the economy (the part that funds this universal healthcare). It's clearly not affordable, and yet another reason to stop taking refugees.

Edited August 2, 2017 by IAMX

[smilesammich 10,727]

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The restrictions will apply to standard hip and knee operations

life threatening rationing! how many people in the us don't get standard hip and knee operations because they simply can't afford it, or afford to take the time off to recover? hmmm.

[Dashinka 25,505]

2 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

life threatening rationing! how many people in the us don't get standard hip and knee operations because they simply can't afford it, or afford to take the time off to recover? hmmm.

Yes, but you also forgot to read this part.

 

The decision, described by the Royal College of Surgeons as the “most severe the modern NHS has ever seen”, led to warnings that other trusts will soon be forced to follow suit and rationing will become the norm if the current funding crisis continues.

 

and this part

 

Reports of rationing have emerged after NHS England admitted in May that its provider sector overspent by £2.45 billion in 2015-16,  more than a threefold increase on the previous year.

The figure, which was described as conservative by think-tanks, prompted some hospital chief executives to question the future viability of free universal healthcare.

 

[smilesammich 10,727]

3 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Yes, but you also forgot to read this part.

 

The decision, described by the Royal College of Surgeons as the “most severe the modern NHS has ever seen”, led to warnings that other trusts will soon be forced to follow suit and rationing will become the norm if the current funding crisis continues.

 

and this part

 

Reports of rationing have emerged after NHS England admitted in May that its provider sector overspent by £2.45 billion in 2015-16,  more than a threefold increase on the previous year.

The figure, which was described as conservative by think-tanks, prompted some hospital chief executives to question the future viability of free universal healthcare.

 

i didn't forget to read it, i'm not gullible enough to get frightened over it. people in the country i actually live in aren't getting the care they need, a form of capitalist rationing benefiting the pockets of insurance ceos and pharmaceutical executives. DEATH PANELS OMG.

[Teddy B 17,252]

39 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I think the US is better in a lot of ways except for cost.  I know often it is reported that the countries with the single payer systems have greater life expectancy than the US, but when you remove accidental and homicide related deaths, the US is actually on top of the life expectancy statistic.

Better watch out.  Isn't Canada taking in a large amount of refugees?

That's great news. Those pesky homicide rates always seem to get in the way.

[Boiler 46,976]

45 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I think the US is better in a lot of ways except for cost.  I know often it is reported that the countries with the single payer systems have greater life expectancy than the US, but when you remove accidental and homicide related deaths, the US is actually on top of the life expectancy statistic.

 

Source?

[IAMX 3,055]

1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

Yes, but you also forgot to read this part.

 

The decision, described by the Royal College of Surgeons as the “most severe the modern NHS has ever seen”, led to warnings that other trusts will soon be forced to follow suit and rationing will become the norm if the current funding crisis continues.

 

and this part

 

Reports of rationing have emerged after NHS England admitted in May that its provider sector overspent by £2.45 billion in 2015-16,  more than a threefold increase on the previous year.

The figure, which was described as conservative by think-tanks, prompted some hospital chief executives to question the future viability of free universal healthcare.

 

Its inevitable that all government programs will cost too much unless the desire to keep prices reasonable exists.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

1 hour ago, smilesammich said:

life threatening rationing! how many people in the us don't get standard hip and knee operations because they simply can't afford it, or afford to take the time off to recover? hmmm.

Under the ACHA you can get a hip replacement in the emergency room, just drop by

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

1 hour ago, Teddy B said:

That's great news. Those pesky homicide rates always seem to get in the way.

just don't marry a gal from UK or Tennessee and you should be good on the gunshots

[Teddy B 17,252]

2 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

just don't marry a gal from UK or Tennessee and you should be good on the gunshots

I'm curious how a chick from Tennessee hooked up with a dude from the UK and then smuggled the gun into the UK for the wedding. Wait, what?

[CaliCat 3,957]

8 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Under the ACHA you can get a hip replacement in the emergency room, just drop by

 

And the hips are made with 100% American steel, forged with power from clean American coal. Everyone wins! They are the most beautiful greatest hips ever made.

Edited August 2, 2017 by CaliCat