Three burglars enter home, son shoots them all dead with AR-15 assault rifle

[bcking 3,157]

2 minutes ago, Boiler said:

People i personally know who have been screwed by the system have had nothing to do with this sort of situation but if you think otherwise you are deluded.

As I said, we can agree to disagree. I see faking a "warning shot" as a cowardly hypocritical action. You can consider it smart, and that's good for you if you are in a situation where you need to do it. It'll help you sleep at night.

Edited March 29, 2017 by bcking

[Boiler 47,472]

1 hour ago, bcking said:

As I said, we can agree to disagree. I see faking a "warning shot" as a cowardly hypocritical action. You can consider it smart, and that's good for you if you are in a situation where you need to do it. It'll help you sleep at night.

Good advice from somebody at the coal face rather than somebody blathering on an internet forum.

[IAMX 3,055]

4 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Good advice from somebody at the coal face rather than somebody blathering on an internet forum.

But you gotta love liberals and their imagination. Makes for a great story to whoever cares to listen to it. No idea who, but somebody I'm sure!

[Boiler 47,472]

I do not like the way Liberal has been corrupted, there is nothing Liberal about this. Not sure what the correct term would be. The Castle Doctrine is rooted in English Common Law, how some came to defend criminal rights as opposed to the victims is completely beyond me.

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6 hours ago, Boiler said:

I do not like the way Liberal has been corrupted, there is nothing Liberal about this. Not sure what the correct term would be. The Castle Doctrine is rooted in English Common Law, how some came to defend criminal rights as opposed to the victims is completely beyond me.

Who here is arguing for the criminal's rights "as opposed" to the victims? Myself and others on here have never advocated that. I'm glad the young man who killed the intruders isn't going to be convicted or charged with anything. He was faced with 3 people, 2 of which were armed. From the beginning all I had said was that an outcome where the criminals were stopped but not killed would have been preferable. I'm not even saying that the young man should have done ANYTHING differently. I'm not saying he should have "aimed not to kill". Even if he opened fire on all three there was still a possible outcome of them surviving (again more likely if he hadn't used an automatic weapon but I guess in Oklahoma that is his right). The homeowner would have still protected their hearth, the criminals would have been stopped but 3 people wouldn't have been killed. Breaking into a home doesn't make them instantly not people. If they survived they could have been tried, punished and then if there was the potential for it they could have been able to rehabilitate. They were barely adults and this may have been the one major mistake that turned them (or some of them) around. Maybe it wouldn't, but the outcome we have leaves no possibility. 

 

Had they survived the encounter, would you have advocated for their execution? 

 

Also just to point out that just because a law is rooted in other very old laws (12th century perhaps?) doesn't mean they are good laws. I'm not speaking specifically here, just more generally. We are allowed (and I believe encouraged) to evolve over time. I'm glad we don't have the same system of laws that governed England in the 12th century.

Edited March 29, 2017 by bcking

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Hey you breaking in my home, armed with weapons. Could I see your ID to see if I should shoot you or just hide and hope you dont see me.

 

Oh the things the MDL thinks 

[Umka36 781]

Civilian AR-15 is not an automatic weapon, it's semi.

 

Unless we are in a situation like this, it's easy to talk about what we may do or how things could have worked out. Personally, I'm not sure how I would react if masked burglars with weapons came into my house. I just know that I would do anything to protect my family. It's sad that anyone had to die, but actions have consequences.

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1 hour ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Hey you breaking in my home, armed with weapons. Could I see your ID to see if I should shoot you or just hide and hope you dont see me.

 

Oh the things the MDL thinks 

The only person saying that or thinking it is you. Who else here has suggested checking ID on a home invader?

[Boiler 47,472]

5 hours ago, bcking said:

Who here is arguing for the criminal's rights "as opposed" to the victims? Myself and others on here have never advocated that. I'm glad the young man who killed the intruders isn't going to be convicted or charged with anything. He was faced with 3 people, 2 of which were armed. From the beginning all I had said was that an outcome where the criminals were stopped but not killed would have been preferable. I'm not even saying that the young man should have done ANYTHING differently. I'm not saying he should have "aimed not to kill". Even if he opened fire on all three there was still a possible outcome of them surviving (again more likely if he hadn't used an automatic weapon but I guess in Oklahoma that is his right). The homeowner would have still protected their hearth, the criminals would have been stopped but 3 people wouldn't have been killed. Breaking into a home doesn't make them instantly not people. If they survived they could have been tried, punished and then if there was the potential for it they could have been able to rehabilitate. They were barely adults and this may have been the one major mistake that turned them (or some of them) around. Maybe it wouldn't, but the outcome we have leaves no possibility. 

 

Had they survived the encounter, would you have advocated for their execution? 

 

Also just to point out that just because a law is rooted in other very old laws (12th century perhaps?) doesn't mean they are good laws. I'm not speaking specifically here, just more generally. We are allowed (and I believe encouraged) to evolve over time. I'm glad we don't have the same system of laws that governed England in the 12th century.

where is there any mention of an Automatic Weapon being used and what on earth is 'aimed not to kill', miss?

 

they had a choice to break in to the property, the punishment was a result of their own actions.

Edited March 29, 2017 by TBoneTX
to remove TOS violation

[TBoneTX 47,504]

A post has been edited to remove a TOS violation.

[bcking 3,157]

6 minutes ago, Boiler said:

where is there any mention of an Automatic Weapon being used and what on earth is 'aimed not to kill', miss?

 

they had a choice to break in to the property, the punishment was a result of their own actions.

I put it in quotes for that very reason. I agree it is meaningless, i said i never asked for the kid to do anything other than what he did. He defended himself, that's fine. I can still have preferred that the outcome of his defense was the intruders were stopped but not killed. 

 

Of course they should be punished. If possible though i don't think death is a reasonable punishment for breaking and entering. It happened and that's fine, but there could have been a better outcome in my mind. That's not going to change. I value life too highly i guess.

[Ban Hammer 14,272]

3 men enter, no men leave..........

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

If someone breaks into your home, knowing there is a good chance someone is home, and they armed. I can think of only two real outcomes. 

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30 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

If someone breaks into your home, knowing there is a good chance someone is home, and they armed. I can think of only two real outcomes. 

The world isn't limited to the outcomes that you can think of. We've already talked about this, I listed several more outcomes and you weren't able to provide any rational response. You may not be able to think of more than two outcomes, that doesn't mean there are only two outcomes.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Unfair indeed. What a tool 

 

Grandfather of Teen Killed in Oklahoma Burglary Says Homeowner's AR15 Made for 'Unfair' Fight

http://ijr.com/2017/04/837930-grandfather-teen-killed-oklahoma-burglary-says-homeowners-ar15-made-unfair-fight/