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My wife and I are no longer together and we live in Ohio.  She has her interview for I-751.  Am I required to go with her?   If I am suppose to go, will anything happen if I don't go?

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Required? No. But if it's a joint filing and you don't go then she will likely be denied. 

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55 minutes ago, Georgia16 said:

How long til the divorce will be final?

hopefully within a few months.  as soon as she became a nurse, my job and money was not good enough and she would always tell me I am a screwup and I messed her life up and I will always be never good enough for anyone and also, she regrets ever marrying me and I can't do anything right.  I have all the msgs she sent me saying this.  I just want out and do not want to be involved in this.  I already wasted enough time and energy to try to make this work. 

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8 minutes ago, Hypnos said:

Required? No. But if it's a joint filing and you don't go then she will likely be denied. 

what does that mean?   what happens if she's denied?  she's just not getting her 10 yr green card and she just has to keep renewing her 2 yr gc?

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It means she would no longer have a valid green card and she would most likely be referred to ICE and immigration court where her deportation would be sought. 

 

If she's eligible to file under a divorce waiver filing then they may allow her to switch. 

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67 (6/29/12) EAD production ordered
77 (7/9/12) Received EAD
78 (7/10/12) Interview
100 (8/1/12) I-485 transferred to Vermont Service Centre
143 (9/13/12) Contacted DHS Ombudsman
268 (1/16/13) I-360, I-485 consolidated and transferred to Dallas
299 (2/16/13) Received second interview letter for 3/8
319 (3/8/13) Approved at interview
345 (4/3/13) I-360, I-485 formally approved; green card production ordered
353 (4/11/13) Received green card

 

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Day 341 (12/10/18) Interview was scheduled for 1/14/19

Day 376 (1/14/19) Interview

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41 minutes ago, Cmptrsdeal said:

hopefully within a few months.  as soon as she became a nurse, my job and money was not good enough and she would always tell me I am a screwup and I messed her life up and I will always be never good enough for anyone and also, she regrets ever marrying me and I can't do anything right.  I have all the msgs she sent me saying this.  I just want out and do not want to be involved in this.  I already wasted enough time and energy to try to make this work. 

Then don't show up. You guys are not together anymore. When divorce is final she can apply by herself with that if it's not denied before that

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06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

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01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

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1 hour ago, Cmptrsdeal said:

what does that mean?   what happens if she's denied?  she's just not getting her 10 yr green card and she just has to keep renewing her 2 yr gc?

You are not required to go at all, but what will happen is that she will more than likely be denied and she would have to refile again with a divorce waiver. If this is again denied then she would referred to ICE for deportation. 

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42 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

You are not required to go at all, but what will happen is that she will more than likely be denied and she would have to refile again with a divorce waiver. If this is again denied then she would referred to ICE for deportation. 

If I have no intention of going, would there be any purpose of just mailing a letter of withdraw of the I-751, since we filed it jointly?

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52 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

You are not required to go at all, but what will happen is that she will more than likely be denied and she would have to refile again with a divorce waiver. If this is again denied then she would referred to ICE for deportation. 

So if the divorce doesn't come through for awhile and she gets denied that I didn't go with her to the interview...what happens for the time being till the divorce is final?  is she still ok to work and all that good stuff, even if it takes months for divorce to finalize?

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It wouldn't be the worst idea. 

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AoS

Day 0 (4/23/12) Petitions mailed (I-360, I-485, I-765)
2 (4/25/12) Petitions delivered to Chicago Lockbox
11 (5/3/12) Received 3 paper NOAs
13 (5/5/12) Received biometrics appointment for 5/23
15 (5/7/12) Did an unpleasant walk-in biometrics in Fort Worth, TX
45 (6/7/12) Received email & text notification of an interview on 7/10
67 (6/29/12) EAD production ordered
77 (7/9/12) Received EAD
78 (7/10/12) Interview
100 (8/1/12) I-485 transferred to Vermont Service Centre
143 (9/13/12) Contacted DHS Ombudsman
268 (1/16/13) I-360, I-485 consolidated and transferred to Dallas
299 (2/16/13) Received second interview letter for 3/8
319 (3/8/13) Approved at interview
345 (4/3/13) I-360, I-485 formally approved; green card production ordered
353 (4/11/13) Received green card

 

Naturalisation

Day 0 (1/3/18) N-400 filed online

Day 6 (1/9/18) Walk-in biometrics in Fort Worth, TX

Day 341 (12/10/18) Interview was scheduled for 1/14/19

Day 376 (1/14/19) Interview

Day 385 (1/23/19) Denied

Day 400 (2/7/19) Denial revoked; N-400 approved; oath ceremony set for 2/14/19

Day 407 (2/14/19) Oath ceremony in Dallas, TX

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This is an extract from the interview letter she would have received (taken from mine recently).

 

http://thumbsnap.com/i/rxNdicp6.jpg[/IMG]

 

Note that it says you - as the US citizen sponsor- MUST attend.

This is, of course, rubbish, as no-one can force you to attend, nor are you legally required to do so. If you want to, it would help her out, but if you don't want to, then you don't.

 

Since she has been called to interview, writing to withdraw your participation in a joint petition is pretty pointless at this stage, as you will be removed from the equation as soon as she informs them at the interview divorce has commenced. 'Where is your husband' will be the very first question asked, followed by 'are you divorced?', both probably before even sitting down in the interview room and swearing the oath.

 

 

 

If you were not to attend and divorce had not been filed, then it would be marked as a no-show and the petition denied.

 

However, as divorce has been filed and is in-process, if you do not go then she will be able to add a divorce waiver at the interview to the existing petition, which will remove you from the equation as it will no longer be a joint petition, and she will not be required to re-file from scratch. This is ONLY applicable if divorce proceedings have commenced and documents can be provided to prove this.

If the divorce is final at the time of the interview and documents are provided backing this up, then - subject to sufficient evidence of bona-fide-ness being provided - she will be approved. If divorce is not final at the time of the interview, she will receive an RFE requesting that the final decree be submitted within 87 days, and neither her status or permission to work is affected during this RFE period. 

 

 

Also see here, which despite the 2009 issue date, remains current policy: https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Laws/Memoranda/Static_Files_Memoranda/2009/i-751_Filed_ Prior_Termination_3apr09.pdf

 

 

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I-751 #1- April 2015 [Denied]

 

April 2015 : I-751 Joint filing package sent fedex next day 09:00am from UK ($lots - thanks). 
Jan 2017: Notification that an interview has been scheduled at a local office. Bizarrely still no RFE... 
Jan 2017: 2hr wait, then interview terminated before it began, due to moving my ID to another state 2 wks prior. New interview 'in a few months...maybe.'   Informed them that divorce proceedings are underway, but not finalised at this time. 
March 2017: An Interview was scheduled - marked as no-show as they didn't actually send out a notification of interview. FML 
April  2017: Filed an official complaint with the ombudsman, and have requested Senator & Congressman assistance
August 2017: Interview - switched to a (finalised) divorce waiver. Told that decision will be made that afternoon, but no problems foreseen with my case. 
October 2017: Letter of Denial received - reason given as 'I-751 petition was not properly filed'. Discovered ex-spouse made false allegations to USCIS in 2015. No opportunity given to review & refute allegations  - contrary to USCIS policy.

I-751 #2 - Oct 2017 - Mar 2021[Denied] 

 

October 2017: Within 72hrs of receiving denial notice, a new waiver I-751, divorce decree & $680 cheque, sent to Vermont via FedEx overnight 9am priority.  
Dec 2019: Filed FOIA request for full A# file
Feb 2020: FOIA request completed - entire A# file received as a .PDF; 197 pages fully redacted, and 80 partially redacted. Don't waste your time!
March 2021: I-751 #2 denied for lack of evidence. No RFE, no interview, and evidence in previous I-751 not reviewed - contrary to policy. Huge errors in adjudication.

N-400 - Feb 2018 - Apr 2021 [Denied]

 

February 2018: N-400 filed online.  $725 paid to the USCIS paperwork wastage fund

February  2019: Interview - cancelled after a four hour wait due to 'missing paperwork' on their end. Promised Expedited reschedule.

March 2021: Interview letter received, strangely dated after I-751 denial. No I-751 interview conducted. N-400 interview and test passed, given 'cannot make a decision at this time' paper due to the ongoing I-751 nightmare...

April 2021: N-400 denial received citing recent I-751 denial as basis for ineligibility, even though it should have been a combo interview 🤯

I AM JACK'S COMPLETE LACK OF SURPRISE

Service Motion - March 2021 [Sent via FedEx & COMPLETELY IGNORED by USCIS]

 

March 2021: Service Motion request sent overnight addressed direectly to field office director, requesting urgent review and re-opening, based on errors in adjudication - citing USCIS policy, AFM and memorandums as basis for errors. This was completely ignored by USCIS.

 I-751 #3 - June 2021 - Jan 2024 [Denied]

 

IT'S GROUNDHOG DAY

June 2021: I-751 #3 (30+lbs/5000 pages of paperwork) & another $680 sent to USCIS via FedEx ($300+..thanks) .... 

June 2021: Receipt issued, card charged, biometrics waived, infopass scheduled for I-551 stamp number ten.....

Feb 2022: RFIE (no, not an RFE, a Request For Initial Evidence) received, for copies of the divorce paperwork that they already have 😑

July 2022: Infopass for I-551 stamp number eleven.....

August 2023: Infopass for I-551 stamp number twelve....

January 2024: Denial received, ignoring the overwhelming majority of the filing, abundance of evidence, and refutation of a provably false allegation. The denial also contradicts itself in multiple places, as if it was written by someone with an IQ <50.

HAPPY NEW YEAR

 

2024: FML. Seriously. I'm done. 

 

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10 hours ago, Cmptrsdeal said:

what does that mean?   what happens if she's denied?  she's just not getting her 10 yr green card and she just has to keep renewing her 2 yr gc?

 

8 hours ago, Cmptrsdeal said:

So if the divorce doesn't come through for awhile and she gets denied that I didn't go with her to the interview...what happens for the time being till the divorce is final?  is she still ok to work and all that good stuff, even if it takes months for divorce to finalize?



You don't just continuously renew the 2 year. You get 1 two year if you're married for 2 years or less when you receive the GC, and then you have to ROC and get your 10 year, once you have your 10 year, you can keep renewing that, but the 2 year has no renewal as ROC IS the renewal.

Once her green card expires she's out of status and I don't believe she can work past that point. I'm unsure if she can work after the denial, I'd imagine she couldn't. They don't care how long the divorce takes, ideally if she's denied she can be out of status once her 2 year GC is up and leave, or she can be out of status and be here illegally until she gets removed or the divorce happens and she ROC's based on waiver. 

I can't tell if you're trying to help her or put her in a bad situation. I've seen people here go to interviews of the person they are separated from to help the GC holder and they explained they are separated right now, but helped with proving the good faith marriage. I've also seen people not go to try to put the person in a bad position.

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 K-1:   2015 Done in 208 days - 212g for Second Cosponsor    

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04/27/15- NOA1 Recieved                                                    
06/02/15 - NOA2 Recieved
09/22/15 - Interview       (221g for more documents (a SECOND cosponsor), see profile for more details!)                                            
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04/08/16 - I-485, I-765, I-131 AOS Application recieved by USCIS
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05/09/18 - Mailed out ROC to CSC

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06/11/18 - Check cashed

06/15/18 - NOA received in the mail
08/27/18 - 18 month extension received (Courtesy Copy)

09/18/18 - Request for official 18 month extension
10/22/18 - Official 18 month extension received 

02/27/19 - Biometrics waived 

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16 hours ago, mindthegap said:

 

This is an extract from the interview letter she would have received (taken from mine recently).

 

http://thumbsnap.com/i/rxNdicp6.jpg[/IMG]

 

Note that it says you - as the US citizen sponsor- MUST attend.

This is, of course, rubbish, as no-one can force you to attend, nor are you legally required to do so. If you want to, it would help her out, but if you don't want to, then you don't.

 

Since she has been called to interview, writing to withdraw your participation in a joint petition is pretty pointless at this stage, as you will be removed from the equation as soon as she informs them at the interview divorce has commenced. 'Where is your husband' will be the very first question asked, followed by 'are you divorced?', both probably before even sitting down in the interview room and swearing the oath.

 

 

 

If you were not to attend and divorce had not been filed, then it would be marked as a no-show and the petition denied.

 

However, as divorce has been filed and is in-process, if you do not go then she will be able to add a divorce waiver at the interview to the existing petition, which will remove you from the equation as it will no longer be a joint petition, and she will not be required to re-file from scratch. This is ONLY applicable if divorce proceedings have commenced and documents can be provided to prove this.

If the divorce is final at the time of the interview and documents are provided backing this up, then - subject to sufficient evidence of bona-fide-ness being provided - she will be approved. If divorce is not final at the time of the interview, she will receive an RFE requesting that the final decree be submitted within 87 days, and neither her status or permission to work is affected during this RFE period. 

 

 

Also see here, which despite the 2009 issue date, remains current policy: https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Laws/Memoranda/Static_Files_Memoranda/2009/i-751_Filed_ Prior_Termination_3apr09.pdf

 

 

On the letter she received,  it doesn't show that.  here is what I see on the letter:

 

at top it says For I797C Notice of action

 

This notice does not grant any immigration status or benefit. 

 

part 1:  Attachment removed do to personal information

 

part 2:  

 

 

UNSURE WHY UPSIDE DOWN< I REDID IT SHOWING CORRECTLY AND IT STILL SHOWS THIS...

 

.IT SHOWS NOTHING ABOUT ME HAVING TO BE AT THE INTERVIEW... ANY IDEA?   Should I submit a withdraw request? 

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