Social Security Number use by other person..

[MrsBeaver 21]

I use to work for a WIA program (Workforce Investment), since we ran background checks would knew right away if it was someone using the social. Think about it, they will still do a background check and it will show two different people with the same social. One is a man, one is a woman. The company he works for will be in trouble as well. They obviously didn't do any checks. I would tell the son he needs to stop now. This is true a lot of illegal people do it. But it's illegal and wrong. Once she starts the process, they will find out and can go to his job to arrest him. It happens all the time in IL. Companies get huge fines for hiring individuals who are using someone else’s socials or fake ones. Good Luck

[CowBoE 429]

I am helping my sister in law in her naturalization process. She's done with the form and going to send it next month on the 1st. I don't know if this will affect her application, but she just told me that her son is using her SSN for work. Her son doesn't have papers meaning he's an illegal alien. But working now at a resto and used her SSN. This son is an adult 21+ from her previous marriage.

I know it's illegal to use someone else's SSN for any purposes. But will this come up on her application? From what she told me her son has been using her SSN for a year in his employment. Any thoughts?

Who's in trouble?

Your sister, her son, and her son's employer.

Her son's employer is required by law to verify his identity and eligibility to work in US.

The fact that they are using the SSN likely means they are not paying him cash

and reporting his income to IRS...under a different name.

Just google and see the potential punishment, penalty, jail time, deportation, etc.

All 3 are playing with a time bomb...

[sachin1 42]

No one cares in DHC. though it is iligal people are scamming everyone out this.

so many BS going on around us. Don't know where it is gone a go.

I was filing for my in-law's tax return and it came back saying someone already has used this SS.

I had to file so many paper work to prove it was us who has correct SS. And they paid $x to that fraud person. Even though they have all record i.e address, phone, email they (IRS) told me they don't care.

last year alone IRS paid 2 billion $ fraud return to people. they are your and mine money.

We play by rule and we get punish. big time BS.

Sorry rant.

[ExPatty 502]

Who's in trouble?

Your sister, her son, and her son's employer.

Her son's employer is required by law to verify his identity and eligibility to work in US.

The fact that they are using the SSN likely means they are not paying him cash

and reporting his income to IRS...under a different name.

Just google and see the potential punishment, penalty, jail time, deportation, etc.

All 3 are playing with a time bomb...

Exactly as I think. Employer made a boo boo but overall is trying to be legal, which is why they have the social to begin with, and is likely paying taxes under his name, so when USCIS looks into her employment history as part of the N-400 they will see an employment record for that social with her son's name, so she can't even pretend that it was stolen.

It's so incredibly easy to catch people on this kind of thing I'd be extremely surprised if immigration is so careless during a naturalization application that they don't even bother seeing what list of employers are associated with your social security number.

[Asker 2]

Talked to her today and adviced her to order her son to quit his job and not seek employment and told her never let anyone use her SSN ever again. Also asked her if there are other instances that her son might have used the number. She said just that one for work.

Thank you all for the replies.

I told her all the consequences of her actions and she was just brushing it off, my brother (her husband now) wasn't aware of this. It's only now that he knew about it. Since sister in law falsely believed that it was ok because lots of people have done and doing this, she even mentioned someone she knew who is using Uncle's SSN, she didn't mentioned it to her husband.

Now she is going to submit her Naturalization application on March 2nd, the form is completely filled out, printed and signed. I don't know why she's waiting until then when she can actually send it now. Either way, I told her there is going to be Name checks along the process, fingerprints, and a background check perhaps. She's now asking me if they will find out about her son used her SSN. And what should she do about it. That's when I told her to tell his son to quit his job immediately.

[Gosia & Tito 199]

Thanks everyone for the replies. I went online just to atleast help her with all this, but sister-in-law doesn't even seem to be concern about it all.

-I think both are filing for taxes for this year.

-she said since her son is the one using her SSN then it's probably okay.

-told her it can be called identity theft and tax fraud, she didn't quite get it.

-reminded her that her son is an illegal alien, and it might affect him in the future.

Don't know what else to say to her, honestly. She will apply for Naturalization next month and I want to help her gwt it done smoothly so she could petition for her other kids.

You have done your part.

The chips will fall where they may.

I've heard before the "not concerned" and it changes very fast when you are in deportation procedures and/or facing criminal charges.

At that point is often late and someone goes to jail or deported.

But before that happens, the person/s lie to cover their a$$, and that gets them even deeper in the hole they digged, making the case for the prosecutor even easier.

Talked to her today and adviced her to order her son to quit his job and not seek employment and told her never let anyone use her SSN ever again. Also asked her if there are other instances that her son might have used the number. She said just that one for work.

Thank you all for the replies.

I told her all the consequences of her actions and she was just brushing it off, my brother (her husband now) wasn't aware of this. It's only now that he knew about it. Since sister in law falsely believed that it was ok because lots of people have done and doing this, she even mentioned someone she knew who is using Uncle's SSN, she didn't mentioned it to her husband.

Now she is going to submit her Naturalization application on March 2nd, the form is completely filled out, printed and signed. I don't know why she's waiting until then when she can actually send it now. Either way, I told her there is going to be Name checks along the process, fingerprints, and a background check perhaps. She's now asking me if they will find out about her son used her SSN. And what should she do about it. That's when I told her to tell his son to quit his job immediately.

Damage is done.

The only smart way to proceed now is to get an attorney to best understand what lies ahead and be prepared for it.

[kzielu 1,154]

Too late to do anything about. Also on the argument that people are doing it - ye , they are but also they have no path and will never have a path to become legal so they don't really care.

[MrsBeaver 21]

Yes, they will see that her son used her SSN. Now she can act like she knows nothing about this but if he has her maiden name then.....

[msbau764 245]

Your sister in law really dropped the ball on this one. She is so lucky to be able to legally immigrate and she could potentially throw it down the drain for something so avoidable. Fraud.

[Alex B 9]

Here is how I think it could go badly:

1) USCIS during naturalization review checks her social for all employment history

2) They find that the social was used at a job she didn't claim on her N-400 to have worked at

3) They call that employer and/or ask her further about it and they immediately figure out her social was used at a different job

4) Now they dig deeper to determine whether she knowingly let her social be used or whether it was stolen and used.

The bigger problem here is #5 on your list!

#5 She's assisted in committing fraud and fraud is a crime of moral turpitude which is disqualifying for naturalization.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Who's in trouble?

Your sister, her son, and her son's employer.

Her son's employer is required by law to verify his identity and eligibility to work in US.

The fact that they are using the SSN likely means they are not paying him cash

and reporting his income to IRS...under a different name.

Just google and see the potential punishment, penalty, jail time, deportation, etc.

All 3 are playing with a time bomb...

If the son presented proper documentation (photo id and valid ssn) to the employer required for the I-9 form, then the employers responsibility ends there, so the employer isn't necessarily in any trouble. The documents could be false, but it's not the employers responsibility to verify that.

The person who will take the biggest hit on this is unfortunately the person who is here legally, the Mother. This could cost her citizenship.

Edited February 5, 2015 by Teddy B

[ExPatty 502]

I told her all the consequences of her actions and she was just brushing it off

This isn't surprising; she doesn't know enough to know she should be worried. Similar in principle to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effectThe same reason a dog happily drinks engine coolant, oblivious to the fact it is poisoning itself.

Please update this thread as things go on. I'd be interested to know how it works out for her.

[ExPatty 502]

If the son presented proper documentation (photo id and valid ssn) to the employer required for the I-9 form, then the employers responsibility ends there, so the employer isn't necessarily in any trouble. The documents could be false, but it's not the employers responsibility to verify that.

The person who will take the biggest hit on this is unfortunately the person who is here legally, the Mother. This could cost her citizenship.

Unless the son and mother share a first name, though, you know that he didn't give that to the employer. If he was using a fake card he made at Staples he might as well have just come up with any arbitrary SSN. I would bet he simply gave the number and they never asked for the card.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Unless the son and mother share a first name, though, you know that he didn't give that to the employer. If he was using a fake card he made at Staples he might as well have just come up with any arbitrary SSN. I would bet he simply gave the number and they never asked for the card.

There's a few different scenarios that could come into play here, but either way as long as the employer collected the proper id's for the I-9 form that match the person who is actually working, he/she is off the hook.

My two guesses are that the son got fake documents and is using the Mothers ssn#. Or the employer is in on it and the son is working and paying taxes under the Mothers name and ssn#.

Edited February 5, 2015 by Teddy B

[Darnell 8,479]

I am helping my sister in law in her naturalization process. She's done with the form and going to send it next month on the 1st. I don't know if this will affect her application, but she just told me that her son is using her SSN for work. Her son doesn't have papers meaning he's an illegal alien. But working now at a resto and used her SSN. This son is an adult 21+ from her previous marriage.

I know it's illegal to use someone else's SSN for any purposes. But will this come up on her application? From what she told me her son has been using her SSN for a year in his employment. Any thoughts?

think about the wording for a written letter of attestation,

then

what the outcome from that written letter of attestation will be.