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Me and my Chinese girlfriend are looking to get a K-1 visa. We have been "together" for like 4 years now I have visited twice, (the last visit was a year ago). It just so happens that my girlfriend (lets call her Anna) was a second child for her parents. Her birth was back when the Chinese government was cracking down hard on the "one child policy", so to avoid getting an abortion, paying a huge fine, and or potently loosing their job(s) her mother fled to a rural part of China to give birth to her. She had to live with her aunt for a number of years registered under a fake identity (lets call that one Lily). However, her real identity (Anna) is also registered too; real age and name she prefers to go by, but she uses her fake one (Lily) in official instances such as employment.

So where does this come into the K-1 visa process you may ask ? Well as you probably know we need to establish proof of a existing relationship. All I have to show for that are the hundreds of pages of chat logs we have accumulated. (Proof of visiting isn't an issue). However her other name, Anna is on the chat logs and she wants to use the name Lily to avoid any conflict with the government and her parents.

I don't want her parents to get in trouble for having to use her alternate identity (which is actually her real one ... I know its confusing).

I don't know what to do. Any advise would be greatly appreciated.

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She has to use the name that uses in all legal documents.Wow 2 identity that sounds weird though.


I-129F sent:06/06/2014

Package Accepted:06/09/2014

NOA1(EMail & Text):06/12/2014

Hardcopy Received(Mail):06/14/2014

Service Request Submitted:10/30/2014

Alien Registration number changed:11/04/2014

NOA2(Email&Text):12/29/2014

NOA2(Hardcopy Received):12/26/2014

NVC Arrived:1/06/2015

NVC Left:1/21/2015

Sent to the Embassy:1/22/2015

Embassy Received:1/26/2015

Medical Date:01/30/2015

Interview Date :02/18/2015

Visa in Hand:3/11/2015

Marriage Date :04/06/215

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If I remember correctly... The petition asks for the "actual" name, as well as any aliases. I don't see a way to disclose anything but both names to our government. As far as the chat logs.... Writing an explanation about the names would be recommended to clarify why there are the 2. I'm sure it's not the first time our government has seen this.

I hope some one chimes in who has experienced this. As I'm not sure if this info gets disclosed to the Chinese government. Good luck


01/28/2013 I-130 package sent

01/31/2013 Notice of Action Date After POE
02/01/2013 Received e-mail and text notification of acceptance
11/26/2013 Applied for SS#
02/04/2013 Received hard copy NOA1 (case not found in on-line system) 12/02/2013 ELIS site still states "accepted"
03/12/2013 Transferred to the local office 12/27/2013 received green card
04/10/2013 Case still not found in on-line system
04/15/2013 INFO-PASS appointment

05/01/2013 NOA2 sent petition approved

NVC Stage...of course it has to be complicatedreading.gifrolleyes.gif

05/09/2013 Case received by NVC

05/23/2013 Received case #'s from NVC

05/23/2013 DS-3032 sent from husband's e-mail

06/03/2013 First day I can not access payment portal

06/04/2013 AOS Fee invoiced and payment made

06/04/2013 DS-3032 resent with Supervisor Review

06/05/2013 DS-3032 acceptance e-mail

06/05/2013 AOS Fee shows "PAID"

06/06/2013 AOS package express mailed

06/07/2013 IV bill invoiced and payment made (still waiting on documents from Hubby)

06/08/2013 IV package express mailed

06/25/2013 IV reviewed - Checklist (2 errors, Birth document & date on DS-230)

06/26/2013 Requested supervisor review by e-mail & verbal request for birth document (fingers crossed)

06/27/2013 AOS accepted

06/28/2013 Checklist response sent for corrected DS-230 (I had my husband sign extra's just in-case)

08/02/2013 NVC requested a supervisor review on the checklist item over 20 business day window

08/05/2013 Case Complete!!! kicking.gif

08/27/2013 Interview Assigned

10/30/2013 Interview

11/04/2013 Pick up Passport

11/12/2013 POE @ JFK

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go by the name in her hukuo book.

you're probably trying to say she has 2 hukuo books, as well,

so use the name in the hukuo book that SHE used to get her current China ID card.


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I agree with previous posts. She should use the name on her official docs. If she is using any aliases she has to list those as well. I hope this doesn't cause issues, but it shouldn't since this was something her mom did and for good reasons.


This does not constitute legal advice.

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You might have to review all "major" official documents and determine which may be best to use.

They will require minimally these for the K1 visa processing.

So you have to investigate which name(s) she can get this documents in.

1. Birth certificate (required)

2. (No criminal record) Police certificate (required)

3. No marriage (or Single) certificate (required)

But even beyond the K1 visa processing, you have to think about...

1. You mentioned her employment, then likely she has various social/insurance funds,

so after she get green card or US citizenship, you have to think about which name

can she withdraw these funds from. Unless there is a way to withdraw them

before she comes to US.

2. You have report (Chinese) assets that are greater than $10,000 in value in tax filing

because 2 governments are now collaborating to share such information, so you have to

think about how you are going to sync-up the Chinese vs name that will be used in US.

3. Also, does she have 2 national IDs with unique numbers?

4. Does she have Chinese passport? If so, which name is used?

5. If she has any interest in going to school in US which will require her

transcripts and degree, then you have to think about name conflicts here as well.

6. Lastly, will using one of the name will get her in trouble with Chinese government?

I think you have to carefully think through the entire future life cycle of dual-identity.

And at some point, it is probably a good idea to find a way to use only one, if possible.

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That said, I wonder if you can just come forward and explain the entire situation of

dual identity...but I don't know if that's going to get her in trouble in China.

Good luck...


10-04-2013 We met online
11-21-2013 We met in person in Shanghai for 2 weeks

12-13-2013 I-129F packet sent via express

12-19-2013 USCIS NOA #1 (text and email) received

12-24-2013 USCIS assigns Alien Registration Number
12-31-2013 USCIS NOA #1 hard copy received
06-02-2014 USCIS web site shows NOA #2 approval
06-06-2014 USCIS web site shows case sent to NVC

06-xx-2014 Fiancee acquired birth, marriage, and police certificates from local police station (wrong)

06-16-2014 NVC creates case with GUZ### number

06-19-2014 NVC sends case sent to Guangzhou, China
06-24-2014 Received packet 3 express mail from embassy
06-25-2014 Completed DS-160 and paid K1 visa fee

06-26-2014 Mailed packet 3 response back to Embassy

06-26-2014 Requested police certificate from Russian embassy

07-08-2014 Received packet 4 email from Embassy

07-17-2014 Picked up Russian police certificate

07-25-2014 Fiancee medical exam (received MMR & Varicella, but they missed required TD shot)

07-31-2014 Picked up medical exam reports

08-01-2014 Request (correct) birth, marriage, and police certificates from Notarial Service (GongZhengChu)

08-06-2014 Picked up birth, marriage, and police certificates from Notarial Service

08-14-2014 Passed Interview Guangzhou embassy

09-01-2014 Received passport, visa, & sealed envelope

09-13-2014 POE

09-17-2014 Went to CBP office to get (US entry) I-94 updated correctly

09-18-2014 Applied for Social Security Card
09-19-2014 Applied for Marriage License (via online)
09-25-2014 Received Social Security Card
09-30-2014 Picked up Marriage License
10-09-2014 Marriage by Justice of Peace
10-09-2014 Got Certified Marriage Certificate Copies
10-17-2014 Received a letter from SS office that they need the marriage license
10-09-2014 Applied to change the social security card name
10-24-2014 Went back to SS office to provide the marriage certificate documents again!!!
12-09-2014 Submitted AOS, EAD, and AP
12-16-2014 Received 16 emails and 16 text NOA messages
01-05-2015 Received Biometrics appointment letter for (01-12-2015)
01-12-2015 Had Biometrics (fingerprint & picture) - Required Marriage Certificate!!!
02-17-2015 EAD and AP is approved
02-23-2015 Received AP is approval letter
02-25-2015 Received EAD/AP combo card (expires 02/16/2016)
02-27-2015 Applied for SS card name change (they took her SS card)
02-27-2015 Driver's learner permit test was denied since the SS card was given to SS office for name change
03-17-2015 Received SS card with married name
03-17-2015 Started to change all her accounts to married name
03-23-2015 Received potential interview waiver letter
03-27-2015 DMV rejects learner's permit due to "legal status=pending" and vision test failure
04-05-2015 Vision test for learner's permit
04-06-2015 DPS sent us letter that DHS cleared my wife's status to acquire driver's license.
04-10-2015 Passed Driver Learner's Permit
04-22-2015 Received Driver Learner's Permit ID card (expires 02/16/2016)
08-27-2015 Green Card approved
08-31-2015 Received Green Card "Welcome Notice Was Mailed" letter
09-05-2015 Received Green card
10-26-2015 Passed Driver's License Road Test (on 3rd attempt)
11-03-2015 Received Driver's License (expires 02/16/2022)
11-06-2015 Applied to remove conditional work remark on SS card
11-23-2015 Received updated Social Security Card.
- - - - - - - - - - Pending Future Processing - - - - - - - - - -
05-27-2017 File 10 Year Green Card
08-27-2017 2 Year Green Card Expires
05-27-2018 File USC

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You might have to review all "major" official documents and determine which may be best to use.

They will require minimally these for the K1 visa processing.

So you have to investigate which name(s) she can get this documents in.

1. Birth certificate (required)

2. (No criminal record) Police certificate (required)

3. No marriage (or Single) certificate (required)

1,2 and 3 not exist at the moment.

They exist, only after presenting hukuo book to the office that generates these 3 documents.

So, choice of hukou book important, apparently there are 2.


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Thanks all, you have given me some good things to consider, I think she does have two hukou books. I might just have to list her other name as simply an alias, fortunately her family name is the same on both so ... But I really appreciate everyone's input !

Thanks !

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There may or may not be any issues for her in China - this is independent of the immigration process. As far as the U.S. government is concerned, Anna and Lily are simply aliases.

Like others have said, you simply need to determine the best alias to use to get her official records (birth certificate, police certificate, and single certificate).

Make a separate determination of which name she wants to use in the U.S., and use that on all immigration forms, reporting the other name as an "alias".


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June 22 ................ P3 received . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Nov 22 ................. PASSED Interview
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Different names on chat logs and legal papers is not an issue. The CO asked me how did I call my then-fiancé ( my now husband) during online chats like on Skype or emails. I think he just wanted to see if I knew my husband's nickname and any other names we have used.

When I answered it correctly the CO was just smiled, nodded and saying, " Yeah, I knew how you call him. I saw on your chat logs and emails". We included chat logs as well as emails printed and screenshot of video calls on Skype. I did not even use my real names on Skype and I did not get tough questions regarding that matter.

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I think you should involve an attorney familiar with a case like this and disclose everything to USCIS. She might want to petition her parents in the future or her sibling. A mistake and/or lie now will come back to bite her in the long run.


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2nd Nov, 2014 POE Newark

6th Nov, 2014 - Married

7th Nov, 2014 - AOS, EAD, AP applications mailed to Chicago

10th Nov, 2014 - Applications delivered and Receipt Date

14th Nov, 2014 - NOA1 Date

20th Nov, 2014 - Received NOA1 hard copies

29th Nov, 2014 - Letter for Biometrics Appointment. Appt date - 12/10/2014

1st Dec, 2014 - Walkin biometrics done

13th Dec, 2014 - RFE email followed by Hard Copy on 12/19/2014 for Marriage Certificate

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21st Feb, 2015 - Received notice of potential interview waiver by mail

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Thanks all, you have given me some good things to consider, I think she does have two hukou books. I might just have to list her other name as simply an alias, fortunately her family name is the same on both so ... But I really appreciate everyone's input !

Thanks !

The question I have about your OP is how does her real ID exist at all if it was supposed to not exist because of the harsh one-child laws? Like if her official documents show a fake identity, when was her real identity created & why?


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I understand you. It is common in China for children to be registered under other family members or even friends, especially girls.

At first though I would say to use Lilly's hukou and national ID card to generate the official documents, birth certificate, police records and so on. You said Lilly is the one that had a job and other things so that is who she is known as on record and will give you the least grief.

It's completely normal to have an alias in chat logs. For example my Chinese fiancé uses her English name "Echo" on our QQ logs. It's normal and I would not worry about it. I don't use my real name in QQ either.

I am more surprised that she would have anything in her real name registered. I don't understand why her parents did not use the name Anna and just register the birth under the Aunt. Why the two names?

Having experienced attourney would likely be the best thing to do. Falsifying the birth was illegal however common and understandable. I am sure they see this quite often. Getting documents in Anna's name only made it more complicated.

Find an experience lawyer and pay the $100 consultation fee. It will be worth it for the peace mind.

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2014-05-21 NOA1:
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ya , check in with Eunice Wang in Guangzhou - she's a consultant attached to Marc Ellis' office and she knows her stuff. Marc also knows his stuff.


Sometimes my language usage seems confusing - please feel free to 'read it twice', just in case !
Ya know, you can find the answer to your question with the advanced search tool, when using a PC? Ditch the handphone, come back later on a PC, and try again.

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Whoa Nelly ! Want NVC Info? see http://www.visajourney.com/wiki/index.php/NVC_Process

Congratulations on your approval ! We All Applaud your accomplishment with Most Wonderful Kissies !

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