Ban hands and feet

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Google "Vermont Crime Rates"

Tell me how a gun law would make it better.

Wait, let me guess. You will now list all the reasons Vermont has low crime, NONE of them will address the fact that ALL Vermonters can be armed and the only ones frightended by that are criminals. Su and Marvin will say it is because of some racial issue, not enough of whatever minority group he blames for crime today (minorities can be armed in Vermont also) James will say it is because the access to skiing reduces stress levels among the general population and results in reduced mental health issues, Teddy will say it is because we are all wealthy in Vermont, someone else will say it is because of the Magic Unicorns (Don't you miss "Rob"?) and after all that, telling us guns have nothing to do with low crime in a state where everyone can be armed (even Canadians!)...

the same people will call for more gun laws as a "solution".

THAT is the definition of "insanity"

Y'all have fun now.

I was trying to avoid this because I knew at some point you would come on here and say something ignorant like this and you didn't learn from the last time we had this debate. But I see that there is no point trying to be the bigger man when someone is calling you out. I'll try to do this properly since you have no problem talking trash to someone but start crying when you begin to lose the argument:

Giving everyone a gun in a high crime area won't solve the problem, here's how I know; I've been to the rough neighborhood. The ones where drive bys, gang fights and drug selling are everyday living. When I visit childhood friends or even family, the ones in states that have bans on guns, they still have guns in their homes. The difference; they don't brag about it, it's not a dinner conversation piece, it's for protection against home invasion, or walking to the store and getting jumped on or shot at. They don't even like having them in the house but since their neighbors and friends have been the victims, it's the only option they have. I don't blame them, there is nothing wrong with having a gun for protection. These areas won't improve until there are more jobs, people get better education, and the cycle of self destruction stops. Guns won't help this, if anything go read a STL newspaper, it just ensures that someone else might get killed. But you wouldn't know about that since you have to have a gun on you just to use the bathroom.

Now take a look at the mass shootings that take place, and where they are located. Nice living areas with little to no crime, but people that live out there are armed to the teeth, because they are afraid of the government taking over. People on here actually argue about the right to carry firearms and they want tanks and missile launchers in their backyards. What happens if someone breaks in and kills you to get your arsenal? Then they go on a killing spree, I guess you wouldn't care since you are already dead, but don't you see that more weapons aren't the answer? We had a SSgt out here in Scott that lived off base, used to talk about his guns all the time, he had over 50 in his home. Brought it up every chance he could, guess what happened? Someone went to his house when he was at work and stole all of them. Now we have 50 guns unaccounted for on the streets.

If you live on a farm and you have an AR to kill animals for that reason, I can live with that. But for all of you suburbanites that want to have M-60s and rocket launchers just for the hell of it, wake up. If the government wanted to take over, your little arsenal won't stop it.

[Teddy B 17,251]

You really don't understand how saying you are for banning all assault weapons, semi-automatic weapons, and automatic weapons in once sentence, and then saying you are ok with rifles, shotguns and and everyday handguns is two diffrent postions on the same subject.

Banning all assault and semi automatic weapons eliminates Most rifles, shotguns and handguns. You do realize that don't you.

Yes I do understand that what I said crosses over in the different classification of weapons, but so what. You asked me what my stance on gun control was and I told you. If it takes reclassifying some weapons to get to the point I suggested, then so be it.

When I refer to banning all semi automatic weapons in regards to shotguns, I'm talking about shotguns like this one.

I am not referring to your standard pump action shotgun like this Remington, which is why I specifically stated "everyday shotguns".

Edited December 28, 2012 by Teddy B

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

n/m LI linked me. i realy doubt he was serious.

You do? Then check out this exchange out of the same thread which occured later on. The guy wants to be little Saddam, nukes, chemical and biological weapons and all. He says that whathever the military has, he's got to be able to have as well. Sounds quite serious to me. Not the first time I've heard it and not the only guy that made such statement here on VJ.

You may have been told differently but your second amendment rights are not exactly in danger.

I'm not allowed to own an M1 Abrams tank along with Stinger missiles as far as I know, so I still have some issues with the anti gun nuts.

How about a nuke? Should you be able to own your own private nuke? How about biological and chemical weapons? Should you have a right to own those? And no, I am not talking about farts.

American citizens should be able to purchase whatever the US military has access to.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Yes I do understand that what I said crosses over in the different classification of weapons, but so what. You asked me what my stance on gun control was and I told you. If it takes reclassifying some weapons to get to the point I suggested, then so be it.

When I refer to banning all semi automatic weapons, I'm talking about shotguns like this one.

I am not referring to your standard pump action shotgun like this Remington, which is why I specifically stated "everyday shotguns".

Pull the plug out on the bottom one (if it has a plug, no plugs here in Alaska), and then saw off the barrel. Stick a pistol grip on it while your at it and your good to go.

[DaveE 178]

Yes I do understand that what I said crosses over in the different classification of weapons, but so what. You asked me what my stance on gun control was and I told you. If it takes reclassifying some weapons to get to the point I suggested, then so be it.

When I refer to banning all semi automatic weapons in regards to shotguns, I'm talking about shotguns like this one.

I am not referring to your standard pump action shotgun like this Remington, which is why I specifically stated "everyday shotguns".

I love to read these, but at least get your designation straight. The shotgun you picture is a Remington 1187 Semiautomatic, not a pump action. It will shoot just as fast as the one you have pictured above it.

Go back to the pissing contests now, I will just read and chuckle.

[Teddy B 17,251]

Pull the plug out on the bottom one (if it has a plug, no plugs here in Alaska), and then saw off the barrel. Stick a pistol grip on it while your at it and your good to go.

Add a mandatory ten year jail sentence for posessing one and yes, you're good to go to the can.

[Teddy B 17,251]

I love to read these, but at least get your designation straight. The shotgun you picture is a Remington 1187 Semiautomatic, not a pump action. It will shoot just as fast as the one you have pictured above it.

Go back to the pissing contests now, I will just read and chuckle.

Yeah you're right, I grabbed the wrong pic, but I'm sure you get what I'm saying.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Add a mandatory ten year jail sentence for posessing one and yes, you're good to go to the can.

I can see your a real bright one Teddy.

I picked one of these up years back at the local drug store for $199.99 You can get them for even cheaper now at Walmart and Fred Meyers.

[Karee 4,189]

I can see your a real bright one Teddy.

I picked one of these up years back at the local drug store for $199.99 You can get them for even cheaper now at Walmart and Fred Meyers.

I'm no expert by any means, but I think what makes a shotgun illegal is the length of the barrel, not the length of the total gun.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I'm no expert by any means, but I think what makes a shotgun illegal is the length of the barrel, not the length of the total gun.

18" from one end of the barrel to the other end and your a legal beagle.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

I wonder what the homicide rate would be in Vermont if another 5-6 million people moved there? It currently ranks 49th in population.

[Karee 4,189]

I wonder what the homicide rate would be in Vermont if another 5-6 million people moved there? It currently ranks 49th in population.

Do you wanna give it a shot? I don't.

[Teddy B 17,251]

I can see your a real bright one Teddy.

I picked one of these up years back at the local drug store for $199.99 You can get them for even cheaper now at Walmart and Fred Meyers.

Yeah, you stockpile weapons purchased at your local pharmacy, and you're questioning my intelligence.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I wonder what the homicide rate would be in Vermont if another 5-6 million people moved there? It currently ranks 49th in population.

Who would want to move to Vermont? Certainly nobody in their right mind.

Edited December 29, 2012 by Kathryn41
to remove profanity

[himher 634]

I like America the way it is today however I lived in the middle east for 3 years and those kids at your school or the school in Dhahran or the school in Bahrain were, as you say, highly, highly protected.

With guns.

What's wrong with that again? Nobody could mess with our kids there.

I'll add this:

I taught at an American school in the Middle East for 5 years. My students were made up of embassy and oil kiddos, along with some local VIPs.

Very few vehicles were allowed onto the campus. The ones that were had to be bomb-checked. Guards everywhere, and ten foot high fences with barbed wire.

In the Middle East, this makes sense, as American establishments have a history of being targeted in the region. When I came home to the USA for short holidays, the freedom and peacefulness of not having to worry about bombs and such was amazing and energizing.

I find it sad and depressing (not to mention slightly infuriating) that our nation may resort to the same security measures in order to protect itself from its own citizens. I think it's a slippery slope. Next it'll be malls, hotels, and pretty soon we'll be no different than many of the establishments in the Middle East.

That is not the America I love and envision.