Ban hands and feet

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Dude, if you like schools like that for your kids, then I recommend Jakarta or some place in the ME for you. I remember going to school w/o ever seeing any armed guards, without there ever being any checks for whatever at the gate and guess what? We were SAFE at school. Yes, that IS possible. Safety for kids in schools w/o barb wire, fences, security checks and guns is possible. I've seen it with my own eyes and I can still see it with my own eyes in developed nations around the world that have sane gun policies. So rather than trying to head down the path of countries that are centuries behind us, I'd rather we take a look at our peers and see what we can learn from them. Trust me, we can learn a lot from them.

But when I went to school here it was extremely safe and you could buy a gun just by showing your drivers license.

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[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I'm sure you could scroll all day and never find where someone advocated personal nukes for home defense

Well, all you really had to do was scroll up a little in this thread. But since that seems too much of an effort, I'll re-post is here for you:

You may have been told differently but your second amendment rights are not exactly in danger.

I'm not allowed to own an M1 Abrams tank along with Stinger missiles as far as I know, so I still have some issues with the anti gun nuts.

How about a nuke? Should you be able to own your own private nuke? How about biological and chemical weapons? Should you have a right to own those? And no, I am not talking about farts.

American citizens should be able to purchase whatever the US military has access to.

Apparently, if you don't agree with our friend from Alaska, then you don't really believe in the second amendment. So tell me, are you a second amendment hater, too?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

But when I went to school here it was extremely safe and you could buy a gun just by showing your drivers license.

Was it? When did you attend school?

Here are the school shootings from the 1950's through the 1990's in the US. Not a short list. Where I went to school there were none in that period of time. Not one. Just so we're c;ear on what I mean when I say kids were SAFE in school. 'Cause it apparently isn't the same thing you mean when you say that school was safe back in the day.

1950s

April 25, 1950: Peru, Nebraska Dr. William Nicholas, 48, president of Peru State College and Dr. Paul Maxwell, 56, education department head, were shot to death at their desks by Dr. Barney Baker, 54-year-old psychology professor. Baker was found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot at his home on campus.

July 22, 1950: New York City, New York A 16-year-old boy was shot in the wrist and abdomen at the Public School 141 dance during an argument with a former classmate.

March 12, 1951: Union Mills, North Carolina Professor W. E. Sweatt, superintendent and teacher at the Alexander School, was shot to death by students Billy Ray Powell, 16, and Hugh Justice, 19. The assailants had been reprimanded by Sweatt, and they waited for him as he locked his office door.

June 4, 1951: New York City, New York Carl Arch, a 50-year-old intruder to a girl's gym class, was shot and killed by a police officer at Manhattan's Central Commercial High School.

November 27, 1951: New York City, New York David Brooks, a 15-year-old student, was fatally shot as fellow pupils looked on in a grade school.

April 9, 1952: New York City, New York A 15-year-old boarding school student shot a dean rather than relinquish pin-up pictures of girls in bathing suits.

July 14, 1952: New York City, New York Bayard Peakes walked in to the offices of the American Physical Society (APS) at Columbia University and shot and killed secretary Eileen Fahey with a .22 caliber pistol. Peakes was reportedly upset that the APS had rejected a pamphlet he had written.

September 3, 1952: in Lawrenceville, Illinois After Georgine Lyon, 25, ended her engagement with Charles Petrach, Petrach shot and killed Lyon in a classroom at Lawrenceville High School where she worked as a librarian.

November 20, 1952: New York City, New York Rear Admiral E. E. Herrmann, 56, superintendent of the Naval Postgraduate School, was found dead in his office with a bullet in his head. A service revolver was found by his side.

October 2, 1953: Chicago, Illinois Patrick Colletta,14, was shot to death by Bernice Turner,14, in a classroom of Kelly High School. It was reported that after Turner refused to date Colletta he handed her the gun and dared her to pull the trigger, telling her that the gun was “only a toy.” A coroner’s jury later ruled that the shooting was an accident.

October 8, 1953: New York City, New York Larry Licitra, 17-year-old student at the Machine and Metal Trades High School, was shot and slightly wounded in the right shoulder in the lobby of the school while inspecting a handmade pistol owned by one of several students.

March 31, 1954: Newton, Massachusetts John Frankenberger, 14, was accidentally shot to death in a classroom at Day Junior High School when a pistol being held by a classmate discharged.

May 15, 1954: Chapel Hill, North Carolina Putnam Davis Jr. was shot and killed during a fraternity house carnival at the Phi Delta Theta house at the University of North Carolina. William Joyner and Allen Long were shot and wounded during the exchange of gunfire in their fraternity bedroom. The incident took place after an all-night beer party. Mr. Long reported to the police that, while the three were drinking beer at 7 a.m., Davis pulled out a gun and started shooting with a gun he had obtained from the car of a former roommate.

January 11, 1955: Swarthmore, Pennsylvania After some of his dormmates urinated on his mattress, Bob Bechtel, a 20-year-old student at Swarthmore College, returned to his dorm with a shotgun and used it to shoot and kill fellow student Holmes Strozier.

May 4, 1956: Prince George's County, Maryland 15-year-old student Billy Prevatte fatally shot one teacher and injured two others at Maryland Park Junior High School after he had been reprimanded from the school.

October 20, 1956: New York City, New York A Booker T. Washington Junior High School student was wounded in the forearm by another student armed with a home-made weapon.

October 2, 1957: New York City, New York A 16-year old student was shot in the leg by a 15-year old classmate at a city high school.

March 4, 1958: New York City, New York A 17-year-old student shot a boy in the Manual Training High School.

May 1, 1958: Massapequa, New York A 15-year-old high Massapequa High School freshman was shot and killed by a classmate in a washroom.

September 24, 1959: New York City, New York Twenty-seven men and boys and an arsenal were seized in the Bronx as the police headed off a gang war resulting from the fatal shooting of a teenager at Morris High School.

1960s

February 2, 1960: Hartford City, Indiana Principal Leonard Redden shot and killed two teachers with a shotgun at William Reed Elementary School before fleeing into a remote forest, where he committed suicide.

March 30, 1960 Alice, Texas Donna Dvorak, 14, brought a .22 target pistol to Dubose Junior High School, and fatally shot Bobby Whitford, 15, in their 9th grade science class. Dvorak believed Whitford posed a threat to one of her girlfriends.

June 7, 1960: Blaine, Minnesota Lester Betts, a 40-year-old mail-carrier, walked into the office of 33-year-old principal Carson Hammond and shot him to death with a 12-gauge shotgun.

January 4, 1961: Delmont, South Dakota Donald Kurtz, 17-year-old senior at Delmont High School, was fatally wounded by a .22 caliber bullet from a rifle. The shot, intended as a sound effect for a school play, hit him in the chest during a rehearsal just minutes before the play was to take place.

October 17, 1961: Denver, Colorado Tennyson Beard, 14, got into an argument with William Hachmeister, 15, at Morey Junior High School. During the argument Beard pulled out a .38 caliber revolver and shot at Hachmeister, wounding him. A stray bullet also struck Deborah Faith Humphrey, 14, who died from her gunshot wound.

August 1, 1966: University of Texas Massacre Charles Whitman age 25, climbed atop the observation deck at the University of Texas-Austin, and killed 16 people and wounded 31 during a 96-minute shooting rampage.

October 5, 1966: Grand Rapids, Minnesota Grand Rapids High School student David Black, 15, killed school administrator Forrest Willey and seriously wounded fellow student Kevin Roth, 14. [18]

November 12, 1966: Mesa, Arizona Bob Smith, 18, took seven people hostage at Rose-Mar College of Beauty. Smith ordered the hostages to lie down on the floor in a circle. He then proceeded to shoot them in the head with a 22-caliber pistol. Four women and a three-year-old girl died, one woman and a baby were injured but survived. Police arrested Smith after the massacre. Smith had reportedly admired Richard Speck and Charles Whitman.

January 24, 1968: High Point, North Carolina David Walker, 15, was shot to death just outside Central High School by Gerald Locklear, 15.

January 30, 1968: Miami, Florida 16-year-old Blanche Ward shot and killed fellow student Linda Lipscomb, 16, with a .22-caliber pistol at Miami Jackson High School. According to Ward, she was threatened with a razor by Lipscomb during an argument over a fountain pen, and in the ensuing struggle the gun went off.

February 8, 1968: Orangeburg, South Carolina In the days leading up to February 8, 1968, about 200 mostly student protesters gathered on the campus of South Carolina State University, located in the city of Orangeburg, to protest the segregation of the All Star Bowling Lane. The bowling alley was owned by the late Harry K. Floyd. That night, students started a bonfire. As police attempted to put out the fire, an officer was injured by a thrown piece of banister. The police said they believed they were under attack by small weapons fire. The officers fired into the crowd, killing three young men: Samuel Hammond, Delano Middleton, and Henry Smith, and wounding twenty-seven others.

May 22, 1968: Miami, Florida Ernest Lee Grissom, a 15-year-old student at Drew Junior High School, shot and seriously wounded a teacher and a 13-year-old student after he had been reprimanded for causing a disturbance.

January 17, 1969: Los Angeles, California Two student members of the Black Panther Party, Alprentice Carter and John Huggins, were fatally shot during a student meeting inside Campbell Hall at the University of California, Los Angeles. The motive of the shooting regarded who would own the school's African American Studies Center. The shooter, Claude Hubert, was never to be found but three other men were arrested in connection with the shooting.

January 23, 1969: Washington, D.C. Cardozo Senior High School assistant principal Herman Clifford, 45, was shot to death in the school's hallway by Ronald Joyner, 18, while scuffling with three youths who robbed the school's bank.

November 19, 1969: Tomah, Wisconsin Principal Martin Mogensen was shot to death in his office by a 14-year-old boy armed with a 20-gauge shotgun.

1970s

The two most notable U.S. school shootings in the early 1970s were the Jackson State killings in May 1970, where police opened fire on the campus of Jackson State University and the Kent State shootings also in May 1970 where the National Guard opened fire on the campus of Kent State University.[citation needed]

The mid to late 1970s is considered the second most violent period in U.S. school history with a series of school shootings,

February 2, 1971: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Teacher Samson L. Freedman, 56, was shot to death as he left Morris E. Leeds School, by Kevin Simmons, 14. Freedman had suspended Simmons earlier in the day for cursing in the hallway.

November 8, 1971: Grove, Oklahoma School custodian, Jim "James" Underwood brought a .22-caliber revolver to school hidden in a brown paper bag. School principal, T.J. Melton, 49, was shot in the left shoulder, left ear and in the top of his head, according to published reports. He died around 9 a.m. and Underwood was charged the next day with first-degree murder.[19]

November 11, 1971: Spokane, Washington Former MIT student Larry J. Harmon, 21, entered St. Aloysius Roman Catholic Church on the Gonzaga University campus armed with a .22 caliber rifle. Harmon killed the caretaker, 68-year-old Hilary Kunz, and upon merging from the church, wounded four more people before police officers shot and killed him. Harmon was described by his father as a religious fanatic who believed that he had seen the devil and that Christ was an imposter.[20]

January 5, 1972: Washington, DC Fifth-grade teacher Margaret Brooks, 57, was shot to death in front of her students by her estranged husband James A. Brooks.[citation needed]

January 17, 1974: Chicago, Illinois Elementary school principal Rudolph Jezek, Jr., 52, was shot to death in his office by Steven Guy, 14, a former student said to be angry at being transferred from the school to a social adjustment center.[citation needed]

December 30, 1974: Olean, New York Regents scholar Anthony Barbaro, 17, armed with a rifle and shotgun, kills three adults and wounds 11 others at his high school, which was closed for the Christmas holiday. Barbaro was reportedly a loner who kept a diary describing several "battle plans" for his attack on the school.[21]

February 12, 1976: Detroit, Michigan Intruders shot five Murray-Wright High School students after an apparent dispute over one of the intruders girlfriends.[22]

May 1976: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma U.S. Grant High School student Randy Truitt was shot and killed by James Briggs at the school, leaving several others injured.[citation needed]

June 12, 1976: California State University, Fullerton massacre Custodian Edward Charles Allaway, 37, opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle in the library on the California State University, Fullerton campus killing 7, and wounding 2.[citation needed]

November 10, 1976: Detroit, Michigan Second grade teacher Bettye McCaster, 45, was shot to death in front of her 29 students at Burt Elementary School, by her estranged husband, Al Lewis.[citation needed]

April 7, 1977: Whitharral, Texas High School principal M.O. Tripp was shot to death on the front steps of the school by Ricardo Lopez, 17.[citation needed]

February 9, 1978: St. Albans, West Virginia A 15-year-old student was shot and killed by another student at Hayes Junior High School.[citation needed]

February 22, 1978: Lansing, Michigan After being taunted for his beliefs, a 15-year-old self-proclaimed Nazi, kills one student and wounds a second with a Luger pistol.[21]

May 18, 1978: Austin, Texas John Daniel Christian, 13, son of Lyndon B. Johnson's former press secretary George Christian, shot to death his English teacher, Wilbur Grayson, 29, with his father's .22 caliber rifle in front of approximately 30 classmates. John Christian was never prosecuted and is now a practicing attorney in Austin, Texas.[23]

January 29, 1979: San Diego, California Brenda Ann Spencer opens fire on Grover Cleveland Elementary School from the window of her home across the street, killing 2 adults and wounding 9 others, 8 of whom were children.[citation needed]

1980s

March 26, 1980: Big Rapids, Michigan Robert Brauer, Business Professor, was shot by student Thomas Kakonis, 20, at Ferris State College. Robert Brauer had failed Kakonis on an examination. Kakonis was the son of an associate dean at the college.[24]

April 7, 1982: Littleton, Colorado, Deer Creek Jr. High School student Jason Rocha, 14, shot and killed Scott Darwin Michael, 13.[25]

January 20, 1983: St. Louis County, Missouri Eighth grade Parkway South Middle School student David F. Lawler entered a study hall classroom and opened fire, killing Randall Koger, 15, and injuring Greg Saffo, 15. Lawler then committed suicide.

According to the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence, in the United States, from September 1986 to September 1990:[26]

At least 71 people (65 students and 6 school employees) had been killed with guns at school.

201 were severely wounded by gun fire.

242 individuals were held hostage at gunpoint.

According to a 1987 survey conducted by the American School Health Association,[27] " 3% of the boys reported having carried a handgun to school at least once during the school year; 1% reported carrying a handgun on a daily basis."

The late 1980s began to see a major increase in school shootings, including:

May 17, 1984: Altoona, Iowa While students in a French class at Southeast Polk High School were taking a test in the hallway, a 17-year-old male shot and killed a 16-year-old female student before killing himself.[28][29]

January 22, 1985: Goddard, Kansas James Alan Kearbey, 14, armed with a M1-A semiautomatic rifle and a .357-caliber handgun, killed principal Joseph McGee and wounded two teachers and a student at Goddard Junior High School.[30]

September 4, 1985: Richmond, Virginia A 12-year-old East End Middle School boy shot a girl with his mother's gun.[31][32]

October 18, 1985: Detroit, Michigan During halftime of the homecoming football game between Northwestern High School and Murray-Wright High School, a boy who was in a fight earlier that day pulled out a shotgun and opened fire, injuring six students.[33][34]

November 26, 1985: Spanaway, Washington A 14-year-old girl shot two boys fatally, then killed herself with a .22-caliber rifle at Spanaway Junior High School.[35][36][37]

December 10, 1985: Portland, Connecticut At Portland Junior High School, a 13-year-old male student pulled out a 9mm firearm and opened fire, injuring the school secretary and killing a custodian.[38]

April 1986: Slidell, Louisiana 13-year-old gifted Boyet Junior High School student Matt Cooper shot himself in class.[39]

May 16, 1986: Cokeville Elementary School hostage crisis In a ransom scheme, David and Doris Young took 150 students and teachers hostage. Their demand for $300 million dollars came to an abrupt end when Doris accidentally set off a bomb, killing herself and injuring 78 students and teachers. David wounded John Miller, a teacher who was trying to flee, then killed himself.

December 5, 1986: Lewistown, Montana A 14-year-old Fergus High School student shot and killed a substitute teacher and wounded a vice principal and two classmates.

March 2, 1987: De Kalb, Missouri Honors student Nathan Ferris, 12, killed a classmate and then himself.[40]

April 16, 1987: Detroit, Michigan A ninth-grade Murray Wright High School student killed Chester Jackson, 17, and wounded Damon Matthews, 17, and Tomeka Turner, 18. [41] [42]

December 16, 1987: Katy, Texas Mayde Creek High School student Ramesh D. Tumalad, 15, shot himself to death in his Algebra class as his classmates looked on. [43]

May 20, 1988: Winnetka, Illinois Laurie Dann, 30, shot and killed one elementary school student and wounded five others, then took a family hostage and shot a man before killing herself.

September 26, 1988: Greenwood, South Carolina James William Wilson Jr., 19, entered Oakland Elementary School and opened fire, killing two 8-year-old girls and wounding 6 other students and 2 teachers.

December 16, 1988: Virginia Beach, Virginia Nicholas Elliott, 15, opened fire with a SWD Cobray M-11 semiautomatic pistol at Atlantic Shores Christian School, killing teacher Karen Farley and wounding another.

January 17, 1989: Stockton, California Cleveland School massacre Patrick Edward Purdy, 26, killing five children and wounding 29 other students and a teacher. Purdy then killed himself.[44]

1990s

According to a survey conducted by The Harvard School of Public Health,[45] "15% [of students surveyed] said that they had carried a handgun on their person in the past 30 days, and 4% said that they had taken a handgun to school in the past year," a sharp increase from just five years earlier.

January 8, 1991, Richardson, Texas Jeremy Wade Delle, 15, killed himself with a .357 Magnum in front of his second-period English class. The incident inspired the Pearl Jam song "Jeremy".

November 1, 1991 Iowa City, Iowa University of Iowa shooting Former graduate student Gang Lu, 28, killed four members of the university faculty and one student, and seriously wounded another student, before committing suicide.

May 1, 1992: Olivehurst, California Lindhurst High School shooting Eric Houston, 20, killed four people and wounded 10 in an armed siege at his former high school. Prosecutors said the attack was in retribution for a failing grade.

January 18, 1993: Grayson, Kentucky East Carter High School shooting Scott Pennington, 17, fatally shot his teacher, Deanna McDavid, and head custodian Marvin Hicks.[46]

According to the National School Safety Center, since the 1992-1993 U.S. school year there has been a significant decline in school-associated violent deaths (deaths on private or public school property for kindergarten through grade 12 and resulting from schools functions or activities):[47]

According to the U.S. Department of Education, in the 1998-1999 School Year, 3,523 students (57% High School, 33% Junior High, 10% Elementary) were expelled for bringing a firearm to school.[48]

December 17, 1993, Chelsea, Michigan High school teacher Steven Leith walked out of a staff meeting, returned with a gun, fatally shot the school district's superintendant and wounded the principal and a teacher. The gunman, identified by co-workers as Steve Leith, a science teacher, was arrested at Chelsea High School, the police said. The shooting occurred about an hour after classes ended, during a staff meeting. The Police Chief, Lenard McDougall, said of the suspect: "I found him sitting in a chair in the classroom by himself. He said 'Hi,' and he was taken into custody. He was quiet, very quiet." A 9-millimeter semiautomatic gun was found outside the building, the police said. Joseph Piasecki, superintendent of Chelsea schools, died at Chelsea Community Hospital of multiple gunshot wounds. Phil Jones, 44, an English teacher, was treated for a stomach wound. The principal, Ronald Mead, 43, was shot in the leg. [49]

November 7, 1994: Wickliffe, Ohio (Wickliffe Middle School shooting) Keith Ledeger, 37, a former student at the school, shot and killed custodian Pete Christopher and wounded four other adults.

January 12, 1995: Seattle Washington A 15-year-old Garfield High School student left school during the day and returned with his grandfather's 9mm semiautomatic handgun. He wounded two students. [50]

October 12, 1995: Blackville, South Carolina (Blackville-Hilda High School shooting) Anthony Sincino, 16, killed one teacher and wounded another before committing suicide.

November 15, 1995: Lynnville, Tennessee (Richland High School shooting) James Rouse, 17, killed a student and teacher and seriously wounded another teacher with a .22-caliber rifle.

February 2, 1996: Moses Lake, Washington (Frontier Middle School shooting) Barry Loukaitis, 14, killed a teacher and two students and wounded another student when he opened fire on his algebra class.

August 15, 1996: San Diego, California (San Diego State University shooting) Frederick Martin Davidson, a 36-year-old graduate student killed three professors that he believed were involved in a conspiracy against him.

September 17, 1996: State College, Pennsylvania (Hetzel Union Building shooting) Jillian Robbins, 19, shoots and kills one student and injures two outside Pennsylvania State University’s Hetzel Union Building.

February 19, 1997: Bethel, Alaska Bethel Regional High School student Evan Ramsey, 16, shot and killed the school’s principal and one student, and wounded two other students..

October 1, 1997: Pearl, Mississippi (Pearl High School shooting) Luke Woodham, 16, murdered his mother at home before killing his ex-girlfriend and another student and wounding seven others at Pearl High School. He and his friends were said to be outcasts who worshiped Satan.

November 27, 1997: West Palm Beach, Florida Conniston Middle School student Tronneal Magnum, 14, fatally shot Johnpierre Kamel, 14, outside school after an argument over a wristwatch.[51]

December 1, 1997: West Paducah, Kentucky (Heath High School shooting) Three students were killed and five wounded by Michael Carneal, 14, as they participated in a prayer circle.

December 15, 1997: Stamps, Arkansas Joseph “Colt” Todd, 14, concealed in a wooded area on school grounds, shoots and wounds two students as they were entering Stamps High School.[52]

March 24, 1998: Craighead County, Arkansas Mitchell Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, killed four students and one teacher and wounded ten others as Westside Middle School emptied during a fire alarm intentionally set off by Golden.

April 24, 1998: Edinboro, Pennsylvania (Parker Middle School dance shooting) Andrew Wurst, 14, fatally shot teacher John Gillette, 48, and wounded two students and a teacher at an 8th grade graduation dance.

May 19, 1998: Fayetteville, Tennessee Jacob Davis, 18, shoots Robert Creson, 18, in a dispute over a girl.[53]

May 21, 1998: Springfield, Oregon After killing his parents at home, Kip Kinkel,15, drove to Thurston High School where he shot and killed two students and wounded 25 others.

June 15, 1998: Richmond, Virginia A 14-year-old student of Armstrong High School wounds a teacher and a school volunteer.[54]

December 10, 1998: Detroit, Michigan Professor Andrzej Olbrot is killed by graduate student Wlodzimierz Dedecjus, 48.[55]

April 20, 1999: Columbine, Colorado (Columbine High School massacre) Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, killed 12 students and one teacher, and wounded 21 others before committing suicide at Columbine High School.

May 20, 1999: Conyers, Georgia (Heritage High School shooting) Six students injured by Thomas Solomon Jr., 15.

November 19, 1999: Deming, New Mexico A 13-year-old girl fatally shot at Deming Middle School by Victor Cordova Jr., 13. Cordova stated he had intended to commit suicide but was jostled by others and the gun moved.[56]

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

That's the issue that nobody wants to really talk about: The biggest threat that Americans face is, well, Americans. More Americans are killed by Americans with guns every year than there are people killed by terrorists all across the globe. It's that bad. And yet we have morons running around saying all we need are more guns out there on our streets. That's just incomprehensible stupidity.

So the libs are going around talking about the inner city gun violence? Ya right. How many of those 500+ gunshot victims in Chicago this year were killed by registered gun owners?

Now try again, but this time at least put some effort into it.

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[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

So the libs are going around talking about the inner city gun violence? Ya right. How many of those 500+ gunshot victims in Chicago this year were killed by registered gun owners?

Who sold the guns to these guys? And why were they able to do that? These guns are not purchased in some dark back alley. And they're not stolen either. These are obtained through the loopholes gun nuts fight to keep open.

And all that can't distract from the fact that Americans with guns kill more people - American people, no less - than terrorists kill worldwide year after year. Americans with guns are deadlier and more dangerous and a bigger threat to human life and to American lives than terrorists. If we truly want to protect Americans, we're certainly focusing on the wrong enemy.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

I attended school in MA. How about you? I'd like to see the source for that list too.

Edited December 29, 2012 by spookyturtle

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Who sold the guns to these guys? And why were they able to do that? These guns are not purchased in some dark back alley. And they're not stolen either. These are obtained through the loopholes gun nuts fight to keep open.

And all that can't distract from the fact that Americans with guns kill more people - American people, no less - than terrorists kill worldwide year after year. Americans with guns are deadlier and more dangerous and a bigger threat to human life and to American lives than terrorists. If we truly want to protect Americans, we're certainly focusing on the wrong enemy.

Ya because Crips and Bloods are some of the biggest fans of gun shows. Every time I attend a gun show it always seems to be full of ethnic minority gang members [/ sacrasm ].

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

So the libs are going around talking about the inner city gun violence? Ya right. How many of those 500+ gunshot victims in Chicago this year were killed by registered gun owners?

Now try again, but this time at least put some effort into it.

I can talk about it, because I have lived there. My mom and dad still do. I go home every weekend and get the safety brief about where I can and can't go, what times and if I need to "borrow" my dad's piece.

No one is suggesting that they those law abiding citizens who follow the rules have their guns taken away, but how much firepower do you need to feel safe? I find it funny that those in the inner city, with violence and death all around them 24/7, don't have 50 guns in their house, just one. It's what they can afford, and they don't want any more. It's not about the 2nd amendment, it's about life and death, and they know it doesn't matter what weapon you have. Yet those living in Safetown USA can't even go to the porch without their guns so they can show everyone they are packing. I would love to see them in the hood, they wouldn't last a full work day.

Ya because Crips and Bloods are some of the biggest fans of gun shows. Every time I attend a gun show it always seems to be full of ethnic minority gang members [/ sacrasm ].

If you are going to post pics of gangsters, please post some real ones.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Everybody missed this one:

The Bath School disaster is the historical name of the violent attacks perpetrated by Andrew Kehoe on May 18, 1927 in Bath Township, Michigan that killed 38 elementary school children and six adults, and injured at least 58 other people.[Note 1] Kehoe first killed his wife, fire-bombed his farm and set off a major explosion in the Bath Consolidated School, before committing suicide by detonating a final explosion in his truck. It is the deadliest mass murder in a school in United States history.[1]

Andrew Kehoe, the 55 year old school board treasurer, was angry after his defeat in the Spring 1926 election for township clerk. He was thought to have planned his "murderous revenge" after that public defeat and he had a reputation for difficulty on the school board and in personal dealings. In addition, in June 1926 he was notified that his mortgage was going to be foreclosed.[2] For much of the next year, a neighbor noticed Kehoe had stopped working on his farm and thought he might be planning suicide. During that period, Kehoe purchased explosives and discreetly planted them on his property and under the school.

Kehoe's wife was ill with tuberculosis, and he had stopped making mortgage payments; he was under pressure for foreclosure. Some time between May 16 and the morning of May 18, 1927, Kehoe murdered his wife by hitting her on the head with a blunt object. On the morning of May 18 at about 8:45 a.m., he set off various incendiary devices on his homestead that caused the house and other farm buildings to be destroyed by the explosives' blast and subsequent fires.

Almost simultaneously, an explosion devastated the north wing of the school building, killing many schoolchildren. Kehoe had used a timed detonator to ignite dynamite and hundreds of pounds of incendiary pyrotol, which he had secretly planted inside the school over the course of many months. As rescuers gathered at the school, Kehoe drove up, stopped, and used a rifle to detonate dynamite inside his shrapnel-filled truck, killing himself, the school superintendent, and several others nearby, as well as injuring more bystanders. During rescue efforts at the school, searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds (230 kg) of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol connected to a timing device set for the same time as the first explosions; the material was hidden throughout the basement of the south wing. Kehoe had apparently intended to blow up and destroy the entire school.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I attended school in MA. How about you? I'd like to see the source for that list too.

I went to school in the state of Brandenburg, Germany. List here at the link. There were 2 school shootings in all of Germany (Cologne and Epstein) in that same 50 year time frame between 1950 and 2000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#Europe

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I can talk about it, because I have lived there. My mom and dad still do. I go home every weekend and get the safety brief about where I can and can't go, what times and if I need to "borrow" my dad's piece.

No one is suggesting that they those law abiding citizens who follow the rules have their guns taken away, but how much firepower do you need to feel safe? I find it funny that those in the inner city, with violence and death all around them 24/7, don't have 50 guns in their house, just one. It's what they can afford, and they don't want any more. It's not about the 2nd amendment, it's about life and death, and they know it doesn't matter what weapon you have. Yet those living in Safetown USA can't even go to the porch without their guns so they can show everyone they are packing. I would love to see them in the hood, they wouldn't last a full work day.

If you are going to post pics of gangsters, please post some real ones.

When cities like LA, Chicago, Detroit, Oakland, Stockton, Washington DC, St. Louis, Miami, Atlanta, Dallas, etc... clean up their act then I might be interested in talking turkey about gun restrictions...although I doubt it.

30 kids whacked in a white suburban school by a nut case vs 500+ gun related deaths in Chicago this year alone. I'm no math genius by a long shot but I can see the difference in numbers.

Edited December 29, 2012 by Bad_Daddy

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Everybody missed this one:

The Bath School disaster is the historical name of the violent attacks perpetrated by Andrew Kehoe on May 18, 1927 in Bath Township, Michigan that killed 38 elementary school children and six adults, and injured at least 58 other people.[Note 1] Kehoe first killed his wife, fire-bombed his farm and set off a major explosion in the Bath Consolidated School, before committing suicide by detonating a final explosion in his truck. It is the deadliest mass murder in a school in United States history.[1]

Andrew Kehoe, the 55 year old school board treasurer, was angry after his defeat in the Spring 1926 election for township clerk. He was thought to have planned his "murderous revenge" after that public defeat and he had a reputation for difficulty on the school board and in personal dealings. In addition, in June 1926 he was notified that his mortgage was going to be foreclosed.[2] For much of the next year, a neighbor noticed Kehoe had stopped working on his farm and thought he might be planning suicide. During that period, Kehoe purchased explosives and discreetly planted them on his property and under the school.

Kehoe's wife was ill with tuberculosis, and he had stopped making mortgage payments; he was under pressure for foreclosure. Some time between May 16 and the morning of May 18, 1927, Kehoe murdered his wife by hitting her on the head with a blunt object. On the morning of May 18 at about 8:45 a.m., he set off various incendiary devices on his homestead that caused the house and other farm buildings to be destroyed by the explosives' blast and subsequent fires.

Almost simultaneously, an explosion devastated the north wing of the school building, killing many schoolchildren. Kehoe had used a timed detonator to ignite dynamite and hundreds of pounds of incendiary pyrotol, which he had secretly planted inside the school over the course of many months. As rescuers gathered at the school, Kehoe drove up, stopped, and used a rifle to detonate dynamite inside his shrapnel-filled truck, killing himself, the school superintendent, and several others nearby, as well as injuring more bystanders. During rescue efforts at the school, searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds (230 kg) of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol connected to a timing device set for the same time as the first explosions; the material was hidden throughout the basement of the south wing. Kehoe had apparently intended to blow up and destroy the entire school.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

Nope, one of the gun nuts dug it up in what may have been a poor attempt to trivialize what happened at Sandy Hook.

... how much firepower do you need to feel safe?

In his own words: "M1 Abrams tank along with Stinger missiles"

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

When cities like LA, Chicago, Detroit, Oakland, Stockton, Washington DC, St. Louis, Miami, Atlanta, Dallas, etc... clean up their act then I might be interested in talking turkey about gun restrictions...although I doubt it.

30 kids whacked in a white suburban school by a nut case vs 500+ gun related deaths in Chicago this year alone. I'm no math genius by a long shot but I can see the difference in numbers.

I was born and raised in St. Louis, back then it wasn't as bad as it is now. When I got back from basic training back in 1994, I was shocked to see how bad things had fallen, I was only gone 7 months and when I returned, my mom had bars on the windows. Talk about a culture shock, and what's worse is we used to live in a decent neighborhood, now it's straight hood. If you can clean up the area with jobs and maybe stop idolizing those saggy pants and bad behavior, we might be able to work something out.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I was born and raised in St. Louis, back then it wasn't as bad as it is now. When I got back from basic training back in 1994, I was shocked to see how bad things had fallen, I was only gone 7 months and when I returned, my mom had bars on the windows. Talk about a culture shock, and what's worse is we used to live in a decent neighborhood, now it's straight hood. If you can clean up the area with jobs and maybe stop idolizing those saggy pants and bad behavior, we might be able to work something out.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I was born and raised in St. Louis, back then it wasn't as bad as it is now. When I got back from basic training back in 1994, I was shocked to see how bad things had fallen, I was only gone 7 months and when I returned, my mom had bars on the windows. Talk about a culture shock, and what's worse is we used to live in a decent neighborhood, now it's straight hood. If you can clean up the area with jobs and maybe stop idolizing those saggy pants and bad behavior, we might be able to work something out.

So you're saying more guns ain't the answer to bring the neighborhood back? Blasphemy!

No mention of more guns and tanks and nukes and you approve? Have you been drinking?