Multiculturalism: When Will the Sleeper Wake?

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Here is a thing that General Wesley Clark, then the supreme commander of the NATO alliance, said back in 1999. The subject was the NATO bombing of Serbia:

There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states. That’s a 19th century idea and we are trying to transition into the 21st century, and we are going to do it with multi-ethnic states.

The common thread there is multiculturalism, the notion that entire populations of different cultures can coexist in reasonable harmony together under a common sovereignty.

In Europe and the Anglosphere, this is the Age of Multiculturalism—an age when the doctrine is so much taken for granted, at least by elite types such as the Mayor of London, editorial writers at The New York Times, and American generals, that it has seeped into the tissues and bones to the degree that contrary notions cannot be thought.

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Here’s the thought that General Clark could not think: Far from being a discredited 19th-century relic, the ethno-state has been the very foundation of Europe’s long post-WW II peace. The multiculturalist assault on ethno-nationalism will return Europe to strife, conflict, and national instability.

In the year 2099 ... our great-grandchildren will shake their heads in wonder. “Couldn’t they see?” Cultural diversity within a nation causes nothing but trouble—what could be more obvious?

In that future world, nations that had the sense to remain ethnically intact and which had “Arctic” distributions of intelligence, behavior, and personality—China, Japan, Korea (presumably united by then), Finland maybe, Israel if she survives, just possibly Russia, some outlier oddities such as, perhaps, Hungary—will have steamed ahead of those who inflicted the multi-culti blight upon themselves.

The rest of us will either be dragging ourselves along wearily, towing behind us the millstones of unproductive, unassimilable, low-human-capital subpopulations left over from the Age of Multiculturalism, along with the associated frictions and rancors; or else we shall have broken up in complete ethnic disaggregation, casting off those subpopulations to fend for themselves in mini-states of their own while we join—rejoin, really—the ethno-nationalist march of mankind.

Historians of the future will amuse themselves by coming up with theories to explain why European civilization, at the height of its powers, rich with unparalleled achievements in science, music, art, literature, mathematics, and technology, gave up its lands and its treasures to people for whom those achievements were mere hated tokens of oppression or the impious and superfluous productions of infidels.

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Given the well-nigh unlimited human capacity for self-deception and wishful thinking, together with the power of unanimous elites to enforce their version of reality on a distracted populace, my guess is that we have a decade or two to go. Multiculturalism is barely half a century old; Soviet communism lasted seventy-four years.

http://takimag.com/article/multiculturalism_when_will_the_sleeper_wake_john_derbyshire

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Danno will love this thread!

[Danno 1,228]

Danno will love this thread!

Sure and I'd like it even more if you would actually contribute.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Multi-culturalism and mixed-race societies are doomed to fail overall because of those who would use race as a tool to further their own agendas (see the Modern Democrat Party).

Human beings for the most part can only co-exist in ethnocentric societies. It's not because we're "bigots" or "racists" - It's because people are most comfortable around others that look exactly like them. People are more than tolerant of other races, being around them, etc.. just not every day. Despite what some people may think, multi-culturalism just isn't possible. It's good to know/learn of other cultures, but mixing/stealing that away leaves society with an identity crisis and a fight for dominance among the races whether we think so or not.

[Marilyn. 340]

since I have moved to the US about 7 years ago, I have lived in neighborhoods that were multicultural, they have been a mix of Asians, African Americans, Hispanics etc.. yes, I sometimes feel a little strange going into a Hispanic market and being the only white person in there but it doesn't make me want to go run to an all white neighborhood...

[one...two...tree 2,762]

What kid wants a box of crayons full of only one color?

Taste the rainbow.

[luckytxn 2,263]

No reason why multiethnic nations can't survive together. We have done it here in the U.S. In my area one does not have to be white European to lead. Many Hispanics have thrived and become leaders. Also I see many Asians that have not only thrive but become leaders. They also instill values that were once cherished by all Americans like hard work, thriftiness, good morals, etc. The lone difference if anything is the ideas. It has nothing to do with race.

Saying that though I must insist that we shouldn't try to force our ideas on the rest of the world by the point of a gun. I am comfortable with the U.S. withdrawing to our borders here and start engaging our neighbors in dialogue and friendship. Eventually as their wealth grows and we become more entwined in economies we can relax our borders and become as one in a multiethnic powerhouse. We need to stop looking at the race aspect. What is it we are looking for in others? Do they have the same ideas? Can we mesh? What can be done to further our futures together? These are the questions we as a nation should be looking at.

Let the world on the other side of the oceans from us alone and figure out their own problems. Hopefully they will use diplomacy and not war. Our only part with them should be as business and friendship.

[Darnell 8,478]

Obama is multi-cultural and a Pulizter Prize Winner. Perhaps it's his turn, this summer, to do something meaningful?

[Danno 1,228]

since I have moved to the US about 7 years ago, I have lived in neighborhoods that were multicultural, they have been a mix of Asians, African Americans, Hispanics etc.. yes, I sometimes feel a little strange going into a Hispanic market and being the only white person in there but it doesn't make me want to go run to an all white neighborhood...

Yet statistics say you will.

I just now got back from the local flea market, this place used to be nearly all white, now it is 95% hispanic, doesn't bother me in the least.... expect it limits the things might be interested to buy

They have actually doubled the size of the venders I have never had a problem with one Hispanic..... and when I say problem I mean even an irritation such as loud mouths in public, kids acting crazy, nothing. But even so, I would probably be more at home in a majority white hood than a largely hispanic area.

There are also demographics within the white community I feel less inclined to neighbor with as well.

it is not only about the ethnic differences..... it is a statistical fact, most people gravitate towards people like them selves. )race education, lifestyle, income).

If you look at where people voluntarily gather, churches, bowling leagues, Bars, civiv groups, fishing boats, camp grounds, you name it, these gatherings are most often ethnically or racially lopsided, is it because others hate them and don't want to mix? I doubt it.

As long as there are goals,($$$) common obstacles (Politics) and interests which are bigger than their differences, they can and do seem to interact much more, remove those things or

should an inter-group conflict occur .... we all know what happens.

Now of course I am speaking about groups generally, there are always individual exceptions.

Right now in my city you can buy a lot of homes which are priced much much lower than comparable homes, the only difference is racial make up of the neighborhood. Where are all those Diversity folks grabbing up these good deals?

I'll tell you where they are at, they are located where the schools are less funded but more white.

Lets take a LOOK AT CHICAGO and see with whom people prefer to live, with people like them of in a diverse setting.

choose the city you want and see what you find.

http://www.businessinsider.com/segregation-map-america-new-york-2010-9#chicago-white-people-cluster-on-the-northside-and-avoid-the-south-2

Diversity is often a killer, it's true, look around the world and on down through history and even at this moment, look at the conflicts and wars, their differences are what is tearing them apart.... not because they are too much alike.

When the struggle for power begins in Europe we will see the blood flow.

Edited April 7, 2012 by Danno

[luckytxn 2,263]

Yet statistics say you will.

I just now got back from the local flea market, this place used to be nearly all white, now it is 95% hispanic, doesn't bother me in the least.... expect it limits the things might be interested to buy

They have actually doubled the size of the venders I have never had a problem with one Hispanic..... and when I say problem I mean even an irritation such as loud mouths in public, kids acting crazy, nothing. But even so, I would probably be more at home in a majority white hood than a largely hispanic area.

There are also demographics within the white community I feel less inclined to neighbor with as well.

it is not only about the ethnic differences..... it is a statistical fact, most people gravitate towards people like them selves. )race education, lifestyle, income).

If you look at where people voluntarily gather, churches, bowling leagues, Bars, civiv groups, fishing boats, camp grounds, you name it, these gatherings are most often ethnically or racially lopsided, is it because others hate them and don't want to mix? I doubt it.

As long as there are goals,($$) common obstacles (Politics) and interests which are bigger than their differences, they can and do seem to interact much more, remove those things or

should an inter-group conflict occur .... we all know what happens.

Now of course I am speaking about groups generally, there are always individual exceptions.

Right now in my city you can buy a lot of homes which are priced much much lower than comparable homes, the only difference is racial make up of the neighborhood. Where are all those Diversity folks grabbing up these good deals?

I'll tell you where they are at, they are located where the schools are less funded but more white.

Lets take a LOOK AT CHICAGO and see with whom people prefer to live, with people like them of in a diverse setting.

choose the city you want and see what you find.

http://www.businessi...oid-the-south-2

Diversity is often a killer, it's true, look around the world and on down through history and even at this moment, look at the conflicts and wars, their differences are what is tearing them apart.... not because they are too much alike.

When the struggle for power begins in Europe we will see the blood flow.

Well I grew up in Houston my whole life Danno. The areas you talking about I also lived in and I was often one of the few whites and the minority. Somehow I not only survived but felt at home. You are a racist. That is OK though. You will be left behind.

[Danno 1,228]

Well I grew up in Houston my whole life Danno. The areas you talking about I also lived in and I was often one of the few whites and the minority. Somehow I not only survived but felt at home. You are a racist. That is OK though. You will be left behind.

Your life experience validated what I wrote, then you insult me for speaking the truth.

Please quote for me the racist part of my post.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Yet statistics say you will.

I just now got back from the local flea market, this place used to be nearly all white, now it is 95% hispanic, doesn't bother me in the least.... expect it limits the things might be interested to buy

They have actually doubled the size of the venders I have never had a problem with one Hispanic..... and when I say problem I mean even an irritation such as loud mouths in public, kids acting crazy, nothing. But even so, I would probably be more at home in a majority white hood than a largely hispanic area.

There are also demographics within the white community I feel less inclined to neighbor with as well.

it is not only about the ethnic differences..... it is a statistical fact, most people gravitate towards people like them selves. )race education, lifestyle, income).

If you look at where people voluntarily gather, churches, bowling leagues, Bars, civiv groups, fishing boats, camp grounds, you name it, these gatherings are most often ethnically or racially lopsided, is it because others hate them and don't want to mix? I doubt it.

As long as there are goals,($$$) common obstacles (Politics) and interests which are bigger than their differences, they can and do seem to interact much more, remove those things or

should an inter-group conflict occur .... we all know what happens.

Now of course I am speaking about groups generally, there are always individual exceptions.

Right now in my city you can buy a lot of homes which are priced much much lower than comparable homes, the only difference is racial make up of the neighborhood. Where are all those Diversity folks grabbing up these good deals?

I'll tell you where they are at, they are located where the schools are less funded but more white.

Lets take a LOOK AT CHICAGO and see with whom people prefer to live, with people like them of in a diverse setting.

choose the city you want and see what you find.

http://www.businessinsider.com/segregation-map-america-new-york-2010-9#chicago-white-people-cluster-on-the-northside-and-avoid-the-south-2

Diversity is often a killer, it's true, look around the world and on down through history and even at this moment, look at the conflicts and wars, their differences are what is tearing them apart.... not because they are too much alike.

When the struggle for power begins in Europe we will see the blood flow.

I had a look at the San Francisco map, looks pretty integrated to me (ignore the Chinatown area of course ) My area is also pretty much the same way - my small little census tract is rough 35% asian, 30% white, 20% black and 15% hispanic.

[Danno 1,228]

I had a look at the San Francisco map, looks pretty integrated to me (ignore the Chinatown area of course ) My area is also pretty much the same way - my small little census tract is rough 35% asian, 30% white, 20% black and 15% hispanic.

There are a few cities that are not so stark but most are and growing more so.

YOu live in California, there is a huge shift state wide, more Hispanics arriving while Blacks and Whites are leaving.

We can assume sizable part of it is the business climate of course but should this continue for another decade most of california will like nothing like it did just two decades ago.

In fact I have read there has never been such a huge a peace time movement of people... ever.

Where are they going?

Texas, idaho, Nevada. (IIRC).

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

There are a few cities that are not so stark but most are and growing more so.

YOu live in California, there is a huge shift state wide, more Hispanics arriving while Blacks and Whites are leaving.

We can assume sizable part of it is the business climate of course but should this continue for another decade most of california will like nothing like it did just two decades ago.

In fact I have read there has never been such a huge a peace time movement of people... ever.

Where are they going?

Texas, idaho, Nevada. (IIRC).

Asian people must like the business climate because they are growing much faster than hispanic here. In the last decade there was a 10% increase in hispanic people where as there was a 70% increase in asians. Go asians!

[Danno 1,228]

Asian people must like the business climate because they are growing much faster than hispanic here. In the last decade there was a 10% increase in hispanic people where as there was a 70% increase in asians. Go asians!

They still have a long way to go at only 13% of the population.