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Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Romania
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My Romanian wife immigrated here last September with a CR-1 and she brought her mother, who has a tourist visa. Her mother can stay in the USA for 6 months before she has to leave the country. It has been our understanding that all her mother has to do is leave the USA and then she can come right back in. We were thinking of traveling to Arizona, entering Mexico, and then coming back in. Is this a problem, a Romanian citizen with a U.S. tourist visa, entering Mexico only to come right back into the country? Are there preparations we need to take before crossing into Mexico (and will Mexico even allow her into the country?).

Thanks in advance for any help provided.

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04/10/2011: Sent email to my Democrat congressman

04/15/2011: Sent email to my Republican senator

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05/06/2011: NVC received case from USCIS

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05/09/2011: Received IIN and Beneficiary ID number via email

05/09/2011: Emailed DS-3032 and optin email

05/09/2011: AOS bill invoiced and paid

05/10/2011: AOS bill shows PAID

05/10/2011: NVC accepted wife's DS-3032 email

05/11/2011: Mailed AOS package to NVC

05/11/2011: IV bill invoiced and paid

05/12/2011: AOS package shows as delivered to NVC

05/13/2011: IV bill shows PAID

05/19/2011: Wife sent DS-260 & supporting documents via DHL to me

05/23/2011: I received DS-260 documents from wife

05/24/2011: IV package mailed

05/26/2011: IV package received by NVC

06/07/2011: NVC Case Completed

06/09/2011: Interview scheduled

Medical / US Consulate / POE:

06/14/2011: Consulate received case from NVC

06/27/2011: Medical examination

07/19/2011: I fly to Bucharest to be with my wife for interview

07/26/2011: Interview (Approved)

07/26/2011: Visa received

07/28/2011: I fly back to USA

09/06/2011: POE

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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Canada
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This 'step out' plan you have probably won't work. Because in 1 calendar year your MIL will be in the US for approx 364 days correct? The CBP is aware of this and will probably refuse her entry. She already has spent 6 months in the US, expect difficulties when returning

Good luck

USCIS
August 12, 2008 - petition sent
August 16, 2008 - NOA-1
February 10, 2009 - NOA-2
178 DAYS FROM NOA-1


NVC
February 13, 2009 - NVC case number assigned
March 12, 2009 - Case Complete
25 DAY TRIP THROUGH NVC


Medical
May 4, 2009


Interview
May, 26, 2009


POE - June 20, 2009 Toronto - Atlanta, GA

Removal of Conditions
Filed - April 14, 2011
Biometrics - June 2, 2011 (early)
Approval - November 9, 2011
209 DAY TRIP TO REMOVE CONDITIONS

Citizenship

April 29, 2013 - NOA1 for petition received

September 10, 2013 Interview - decision could not be made.

April 15, 2014 APPROVED. Wait for oath ceremony

Waited...

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Technically, you are allowed but it will likely not work. The CBP knows the the drill and will pull her for questioning. Be prepared to give a really good explanation why you pop in and out on the same day and are staying in the US semi-permanently.

Here is the legal way to extend the tourist visa

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=cab23e4d77d73210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=cab23e4d77d73210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD

You must be able to prove that you have financial resources to support your extended stay in the US.

If you choose to do the visa run to mexico, I would prepare documents to show that your mother-in-law intends to return to her country in the next 180 days such as return flight ticket and etc.

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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Ireland
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Going to Mexico or Canada for a day or two isn't supposed to work, but I have seen it working for visa waiver programs. Not sure about B2- keep in mind a tourist visa is to visit, and the general rule is that she has to spend more time outside the country than in. Thus, even if they do let her in after a few days in Mexico, she may only be given a week or two in the USA until she has to leave for a long time.

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Me: Irish/ Swiss citizen, and now naturalised US citizen. Husband: USC; twin babies born Feb 08 in Ireland and a daughter in Feb 2010 in Arkansas who are all joint Irish/ USC. Did DCF (IR1) in 6 weeks via the Dublin, Ireland embassy and now living in Arkansas.

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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Belarus
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Can a Romanian citizen legally enter Mexico? Does she need a visa from her home country? I do not know if her US tourist visa, which will expire in February, will allow for a re-entry back to the US, regardless of how many days. Go to Colorado or New Mexico or even Utah. Much prettier.

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Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Romania
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Thanks for all the speedy replies. I also found more clarification here:

My link

USCIS JOURNEY

11/04/2010: Sent I-130 packet.

11/07/2010: NOA1, Priority Date

11/09/2010: Touched

11/16/2010: I-797C, Notice of Action received

03/15/2011: Touched

04/10/2011: Sent email to my Democrat congressman

04/15/2011: Sent email to my Republican senator

04/26/2011: NOA2 - Approved

04/30/2011: NOA2 - Received in mail

NVC JOURNEY

05/06/2011: NVC received case from USCIS

05/06/2011: NVC case number assigned

05/09/2011: Received IIN and Beneficiary ID number via email

05/09/2011: Emailed DS-3032 and optin email

05/09/2011: AOS bill invoiced and paid

05/10/2011: AOS bill shows PAID

05/10/2011: NVC accepted wife's DS-3032 email

05/11/2011: Mailed AOS package to NVC

05/11/2011: IV bill invoiced and paid

05/12/2011: AOS package shows as delivered to NVC

05/13/2011: IV bill shows PAID

05/19/2011: Wife sent DS-260 & supporting documents via DHL to me

05/23/2011: I received DS-260 documents from wife

05/24/2011: IV package mailed

05/26/2011: IV package received by NVC

06/07/2011: NVC Case Completed

06/09/2011: Interview scheduled

Medical / US Consulate / POE:

06/14/2011: Consulate received case from NVC

06/27/2011: Medical examination

07/19/2011: I fly to Bucharest to be with my wife for interview

07/26/2011: Interview (Approved)

07/26/2011: Visa received

07/28/2011: I fly back to USA

09/06/2011: POE

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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Canada
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I can't get your link to work, I'd love to see the final answer

Good luck

USCIS
August 12, 2008 - petition sent
August 16, 2008 - NOA-1
February 10, 2009 - NOA-2
178 DAYS FROM NOA-1


NVC
February 13, 2009 - NVC case number assigned
March 12, 2009 - Case Complete
25 DAY TRIP THROUGH NVC


Medical
May 4, 2009


Interview
May, 26, 2009


POE - June 20, 2009 Toronto - Atlanta, GA

Removal of Conditions
Filed - April 14, 2011
Biometrics - June 2, 2011 (early)
Approval - November 9, 2011
209 DAY TRIP TO REMOVE CONDITIONS

Citizenship

April 29, 2013 - NOA1 for petition received

September 10, 2013 Interview - decision could not be made.

April 15, 2014 APPROVED. Wait for oath ceremony

Waited...

September 29, 2015 - sent letter to senator.

October 16, 2015 - US Citizen

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Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Romania
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Strange. When I post the link, part of the link shows as "removed"

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USCIS JOURNEY

11/04/2010: Sent I-130 packet.

11/07/2010: NOA1, Priority Date

11/09/2010: Touched

11/16/2010: I-797C, Notice of Action received

03/15/2011: Touched

04/10/2011: Sent email to my Democrat congressman

04/15/2011: Sent email to my Republican senator

04/26/2011: NOA2 - Approved

04/30/2011: NOA2 - Received in mail

NVC JOURNEY

05/06/2011: NVC received case from USCIS

05/06/2011: NVC case number assigned

05/09/2011: Received IIN and Beneficiary ID number via email

05/09/2011: Emailed DS-3032 and optin email

05/09/2011: AOS bill invoiced and paid

05/10/2011: AOS bill shows PAID

05/10/2011: NVC accepted wife's DS-3032 email

05/11/2011: Mailed AOS package to NVC

05/11/2011: IV bill invoiced and paid

05/12/2011: AOS package shows as delivered to NVC

05/13/2011: IV bill shows PAID

05/19/2011: Wife sent DS-260 & supporting documents via DHL to me

05/23/2011: I received DS-260 documents from wife

05/24/2011: IV package mailed

05/26/2011: IV package received by NVC

06/07/2011: NVC Case Completed

06/09/2011: Interview scheduled

Medical / US Consulate / POE:

06/14/2011: Consulate received case from NVC

06/27/2011: Medical examination

07/19/2011: I fly to Bucharest to be with my wife for interview

07/26/2011: Interview (Approved)

07/26/2011: Visa received

07/28/2011: I fly back to USA

09/06/2011: POE

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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Canada
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Can you cut and paste your answer into this reply?

good luck

USCIS
August 12, 2008 - petition sent
August 16, 2008 - NOA-1
February 10, 2009 - NOA-2
178 DAYS FROM NOA-1


NVC
February 13, 2009 - NVC case number assigned
March 12, 2009 - Case Complete
25 DAY TRIP THROUGH NVC


Medical
May 4, 2009


Interview
May, 26, 2009


POE - June 20, 2009 Toronto - Atlanta, GA

Removal of Conditions
Filed - April 14, 2011
Biometrics - June 2, 2011 (early)
Approval - November 9, 2011
209 DAY TRIP TO REMOVE CONDITIONS

Citizenship

April 29, 2013 - NOA1 for petition received

September 10, 2013 Interview - decision could not be made.

April 15, 2014 APPROVED. Wait for oath ceremony

Waited...

September 29, 2015 - sent letter to senator.

October 16, 2015 - US Citizen

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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Canada
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Ok so what does it say?

USCIS
August 12, 2008 - petition sent
August 16, 2008 - NOA-1
February 10, 2009 - NOA-2
178 DAYS FROM NOA-1


NVC
February 13, 2009 - NVC case number assigned
March 12, 2009 - Case Complete
25 DAY TRIP THROUGH NVC


Medical
May 4, 2009


Interview
May, 26, 2009


POE - June 20, 2009 Toronto - Atlanta, GA

Removal of Conditions
Filed - April 14, 2011
Biometrics - June 2, 2011 (early)
Approval - November 9, 2011
209 DAY TRIP TO REMOVE CONDITIONS

Citizenship

April 29, 2013 - NOA1 for petition received

September 10, 2013 Interview - decision could not be made.

April 15, 2014 APPROVED. Wait for oath ceremony

Waited...

September 29, 2015 - sent letter to senator.

October 16, 2015 - US Citizen

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Filed: K-1 Visa Country: Wales
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As long as she has no intention of visiting the US any time soon, there is no harm in trying that.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Romania
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Ok so what does it say?

I'd copy/paste it if I could, but the website doesn't allow me to copy text. There's a lot on the page and I'm not going to type it all here. I just did a Google search for "Tourist visa" & Extension, and it was the first or second hit

Tourist Visa Extension Google Results

USCIS JOURNEY

11/04/2010: Sent I-130 packet.

11/07/2010: NOA1, Priority Date

11/09/2010: Touched

11/16/2010: I-797C, Notice of Action received

03/15/2011: Touched

04/10/2011: Sent email to my Democrat congressman

04/15/2011: Sent email to my Republican senator

04/26/2011: NOA2 - Approved

04/30/2011: NOA2 - Received in mail

NVC JOURNEY

05/06/2011: NVC received case from USCIS

05/06/2011: NVC case number assigned

05/09/2011: Received IIN and Beneficiary ID number via email

05/09/2011: Emailed DS-3032 and optin email

05/09/2011: AOS bill invoiced and paid

05/10/2011: AOS bill shows PAID

05/10/2011: NVC accepted wife's DS-3032 email

05/11/2011: Mailed AOS package to NVC

05/11/2011: IV bill invoiced and paid

05/12/2011: AOS package shows as delivered to NVC

05/13/2011: IV bill shows PAID

05/19/2011: Wife sent DS-260 & supporting documents via DHL to me

05/23/2011: I received DS-260 documents from wife

05/24/2011: IV package mailed

05/26/2011: IV package received by NVC

06/07/2011: NVC Case Completed

06/09/2011: Interview scheduled

Medical / US Consulate / POE:

06/14/2011: Consulate received case from NVC

06/27/2011: Medical examination

07/19/2011: I fly to Bucharest to be with my wife for interview

07/26/2011: Interview (Approved)

07/26/2011: Visa received

07/28/2011: I fly back to USA

09/06/2011: POE

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I'd copy/paste it if I could, but the website doesn't allow me to copy text. There's a lot on the page and I'm not going to type it all here. I just did a Google search for "Tourist visa" & Extension, and it was the first or second hit

Tourist Visa Extension Google Results

You could post a screenshot. I checked the site, it basically says what has already been said here.

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Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Romania
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I failed to mention that her visa is good for 10 years. Does this make any difference? It's not really an extension, I don't think.

USCIS JOURNEY

11/04/2010: Sent I-130 packet.

11/07/2010: NOA1, Priority Date

11/09/2010: Touched

11/16/2010: I-797C, Notice of Action received

03/15/2011: Touched

04/10/2011: Sent email to my Democrat congressman

04/15/2011: Sent email to my Republican senator

04/26/2011: NOA2 - Approved

04/30/2011: NOA2 - Received in mail

NVC JOURNEY

05/06/2011: NVC received case from USCIS

05/06/2011: NVC case number assigned

05/09/2011: Received IIN and Beneficiary ID number via email

05/09/2011: Emailed DS-3032 and optin email

05/09/2011: AOS bill invoiced and paid

05/10/2011: AOS bill shows PAID

05/10/2011: NVC accepted wife's DS-3032 email

05/11/2011: Mailed AOS package to NVC

05/11/2011: IV bill invoiced and paid

05/12/2011: AOS package shows as delivered to NVC

05/13/2011: IV bill shows PAID

05/19/2011: Wife sent DS-260 & supporting documents via DHL to me

05/23/2011: I received DS-260 documents from wife

05/24/2011: IV package mailed

05/26/2011: IV package received by NVC

06/07/2011: NVC Case Completed

06/09/2011: Interview scheduled

Medical / US Consulate / POE:

06/14/2011: Consulate received case from NVC

06/27/2011: Medical examination

07/19/2011: I fly to Bucharest to be with my wife for interview

07/26/2011: Interview (Approved)

07/26/2011: Visa received

07/28/2011: I fly back to USA

09/06/2011: POE

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Filed: Country: Vietnam (no flag)
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I failed to mention that her visa is good for 10 years. Does this make any difference? It's not really an extension, I don't think.

A visa permits her to enter the US. It cannot guarantee her entry to the US. With a valid 10 years visitor visa, she can still be refused entry if the IO finds that she is abusing the visitor visa to live in the US. If she is allowed to enter the US, she will be issued an I-94. Her allowable time in the US is up when the I-94 expires. The max time for an I-94 is six months.

How are you proposing she enters Mexico (or Canada - I know this was brought up by another poster and not the OP)? Does she have a visa to enter another country? Even if you could get her into another country, what are you going to do if she is refused entry back into the US? This is a deeply flawed plan. Don't even bother.

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Your MIL can apply for an visitor visa extension. If it is granted, she can stay. If it is not, then she will have to leave.

There are several consequences for a denial;

Denial & I-94 has not expired. She can stay until her I-94 expires.

Denial & I-94 has expired. She will need to leave immediately. In addition, her 10 years visitor visa is automatically voided; she would need to reapply for a visa.

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If you could get an extension for your MIL, she will be in the same situation in another 6 months.

If your thinking is that if she is allowed to continually leave for a day and come back to the US for six months, she is merely visiting? Are you planning on her doing this until her daughter becomes a US citizen so she can petition for her mother? This is not going to pass the smell test. Common sense is that she is abusing the visitor visa to live in the US.

It will take your wife at least 3 years as an LPR to get her US citizenship. It will take another 6 months to go through the citizenship process. That's a very long time to do the leaving for a day, returning on a 10 years visitor visa, etc.

Also, don't underestimate the intelligence of the US bureaucracy. While sometime ineffective, USCIS and the State Department are well aware of these tactics to abuse visitor visas to live in the US.

If your MIL abuse the visitor visa, she is going to have a hell of a time adjusting her status when her daughter petitions for her. It will be held against her.

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Send your MIL home. Don't try to game the visitor visa system because it will bite her in the ####### when she applies to live here permanently.

The purpose of the visitor visa is not for a person to live in the US.

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