Deportation Cases of Illegal Immigrants to be Reviewed

[hikergirl 277]

The Department of Homeland Security will begin a review on Thursday of all deportation cases before the immigration courts and start a nationwide training program for enforcement agents and prosecuting lawyers, with the goal of speeding deportations of convicted criminals and halting those of many illegal immigrants with no criminal record.

Full NY Times article found here: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/us/deportation-cases-of-illegal-immigrants-to-be-reviewed.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

[az110965 252]

The Department of Homeland Security will begin a review on Thursday of all deportation cases before the immigration courts and start a nationwide training program for enforcement agents and prosecuting lawyers, with the goal of speeding deportations of convicted criminals and halting those of many illegal immigrants with no criminal record.

Full NY Times article found here: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/us/deportation-cases-of-illegal-immigrants-to-be-reviewed.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

"with the goal of speeding deportations of convicted criminals" = Agree strongly

"halting those of many illegal immigrants with no criminal record"= Disagree. Illegal is illegal. Speed up the deportation process for ALL illegal immigrants.

[Brother Hesekiel 2,235]

"with the goal of speeding deportations of convicted criminals" = Agree strongly

"halting those of many illegal immigrants with no criminal record"= Disagree. Illegal is illegal. Speed up the deportation process for ALL illegal immigrants.

No.

Deporting a single person costs us, the US taxpayers, $11,500 on average. Deporting 11 million would cost us $126,000,000,000.00. We don't have that kind of cash. We are broke and have maxed out all of our credit cards already. We need to spend our money wisely, which is why the President has ordered to focus on the bad guys first and foremost. I rather see my money spent on deporting 100,000 criminals -- murderers and rapists -- instead of 100,000 school children.

[az110965 252]

No.

Deporting a single person costs us, the US taxpayers, $11,500 on average. Deporting 11 million would cost us $126,000,000,000.00. We don't have that kind of cash. We are broke and have maxed out all of our credit cards already. We need to spend our money wisely, which is why the President has ordered to focus on the bad guys first and foremost. I rather see my money spent on deporting 100,000 criminals -- murderers and rapists -- instead of 100,000 school children.

I'm sure deportation has a cost associated with it, but there also are HUGE savings too. It may indeed cost $11,500 per person to deport, but how much does each illegal immigrant cost if they STAY in the US illegally? What is the cost for medical care for each illegal immigrant? What is the cost to educate each illegal immigrant's child? What is the cost when illegal immigrants use public benefits and contribute NOTHING to our soceity? Are they paying taxes? Serving in public service or the armed forces? What is their CONTRIBUTION?

I would venture a guess that it costs MORE than the $11,500 you cite to feed, clothe and care medically for each illegal immigrant and the cost of education is enormous. Wonder what the TRUE cost of deportation is when you factor in all the expenses associated with caring for these people..

[Brother Hesekiel 2,235]

On first sight that sounds right. But if you take a closer look, you'll find that illegal immigrants pay big time into the U.S. economy.

First, many illegal aliens and people who our out of status work. I'm sure we can agree that there are not 11 million people getting paid under the table. They work in agriculture, meat processing plants, restaurants, you name it. Illegal aliens may use a false SSN or one that does not provide authorization to work. But even in these cases Uncle Sam will deduct SS payments. They go into the big pot, the pot you and I will dip into, but the illegal alien will never be able to reap the benefits of his payments. That, by the way, is one reason why the U.S. government loves illegal aliens. They fill SSA's koffers!

Secondly, every product an illegal alien purchases, every gallon of gas, every loaf of bread, every chicken head, is taxed. So if one illegal alien spends only 1,000 per month or 12,000 per year on products, and we multiply this by 11 million and assume a sales tax of 8%, then Uncle Sam gets over $1,000,000,000.00 (!!!) from those illegal aliens in sales tax annually!

I have no clue how many children who are unlawfully present in the U.S. are in school, but the states love them dearly, because Uncle Sam gives 'em money per head. Less children, less federal funds for the schools, more cookie baking and car washing events to get even books for kids.

All of this is not an argument for illegal immigration. It's an argument against the presumed financial burden illegal aliens have on the U.S economy.

[az110965 252]

On first sight that sounds right. But if you take a closer look, you'll find that illegal immigrants pay big time into the U.S. economy.

First, many illegal aliens and people who our out of status work. I'm sure we can agree that there are not 11 million people getting paid under the table. They work in agriculture, meat processing plants, restaurants, you name it. Illegal aliens may use a false SSN or one that does not provide authorization to work. But even in these cases Uncle Sam will deduct SS payments. They go into the big pot, the pot you and I will dip into, but the illegal alien will never be able to reap the benefits of his payments. That, by the way, is one reason why the U.S. government loves illegal aliens. They fill SSA's koffers!

Secondly, every product an illegal alien purchases, every gallon of gas, every loaf of bread, every chicken head, is taxed. So if one illegal alien spends only 1,000 per month or 12,000 per year on products, and we multiply this by 11 million and assume a sales tax of 8%, then Uncle Sam gets over $1,000,000,000.00 (!!!) from those illegal aliens in sales tax annually!

I have no clue how many children who are unlawfully present in the U.S. are in school, but the states love them dearly, because Uncle Sam gives 'em money per head. Less children, less federal funds for the schools, more cookie baking and car washing events to get even books for kids.

All of this is not an argument for illegal immigration. It's an argument against the presumed financial burden illegal aliens have on the U.S economy.

I understand that you are not a proponent of illegal immigration and are merely looking at the economics of it as you see them, but I respectfully diagree.

Even with whatever taxable purchases that illegal immigrants make, they still TAKE much more than they contribute in every way.

I could care less that Uncle Sam appreiates their purchases of gasoline and their contributions into the SSA, medical care and education expenses ALONE offset any positive economic influx that the spending habits of illegals create.

And for once - it SHOULDN'T be just about the money. Illegal is illegal, and that is what I posted in the first place. Even if illegal immigrants do contribute to the SSA coffers the manner in which they chose to find the land of opportunity was and is wrong. That in itself deems them undesirable to me - and they SHOULD be deported. The message that the US sends across the world is so mixed up when it comes to immigration...

I have no problems with immigration, hence I fell in love with a non USC and I've petitioned for her to come legally to share my life. The best day of my life will be when we marry and later on when she takes the oath to become a US Citizen. Why? Because we will have done it the right way and simply put - it's the correct thing to do.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Apparently a good scare seems to work. Arizona's law lost most of its teeth, yet something like 90,000 left the state.

[az110965 252]

Apparently a good scare seems to work. Arizona's law lost most of its teeth, yet something like 90,000 left the state.

Well, my position remains the same. Speed up deportation process for illegal immigrants with and without criminal records.

[Brother Hesekiel 2,235]

Deportation is so expensive because of (for profit! -- corporate-owned!) detention centers that charge hundreds of dollars a day per detainee, federal officers, judges, transport, etc.

If you want to take away the financial burden from the US taxpayers, make e-Verify mandatory and impose huge fines to employers of illegal aliens with the thread of losing their business license for a repeat offense. Without jobs and means to make a living, illegal aliens would self-deport at their own expense.

Isn't going to happen though, as the corporations own the politicians and the last thing the corporations want is legislation impacting their profitable slave labor. The blacks were freed by Lincoln, the whites by F.D.R. . . . can't free the brown people also!

[david'sgirl 134]

IAnd for once - it SHOULDN'T be just about the money. Illegal is illegal, and that is what I posted in the first place. Even if illegal immigrants do contribute to the SSA coffers the manner in which they chose to find the land of opportunity was and is wrong. That in itself deems them undesirable to me - and they SHOULD be deported. The message that the US sends across the world is so mixed up when it comes to immigration...

I have no problems with immigration, hence I fell in love with a non USC and I've petitioned for her to come legally to share my life. The best day of my life will be when we marry and later on when she takes the oath to become a US Citizen. Why? Because we will have done it the right way and simply put - it's the correct thing to do.

I agree 100%. Choosing to sneak into the country by illegal means make someone an Illegal Alien which makes them a criminal.

I think the laws should be changed so that at least one parent must be a US citizen before a child can be considered a US citizen because too many people sneak in then have an "anchor baby" so they won't be deported.

There are costs associated with free healthcare,added burdens to the school systems etc. Even if there were no financial impact I would still want every person who decides to live in the US to do it the Legal way like we did!

[Brother Hesekiel 2,235]

I think the laws should be changed so that at least one parent must be a US citizen before a child can be considered a US citizen because too many people sneak in then have an "anchor baby" so they won't be deported.

That would be a change of the Constitution, called an Amendment. For that to happen you would have to convince at least 3/4 of all Americans who are registered to vote to agree with an Amendment that takes away rights from U.S. citizens.

Good luck with that.

[Ban Hammer 12,861]

Secondly, every product an illegal alien purchases, every gallon of gas, every loaf of bread, every chicken head, is taxed. So if one illegal alien spends only 1,000 per month or 12,000 per year on products, and we multiply this by 11 million and assume a sales tax of 8%, then Uncle Sam gets over $1,000,000,000.00 (!!!) from those illegal aliens in sales tax annually!

uncle sam doesn´t necessarily get all of that - state and local governments do.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

"with the goal of speeding deportations of convicted criminals" = Agree strongly

"halting those of many illegal immigrants with no criminal record"= Disagree. Illegal is illegal. Speed up the deportation process for ALL illegal immigrants.