If you are a male aged 50 forget a K-1 with Thailand fiancee! Dead deal.

[yailukmuu 26]

Luckily, I have our K-1 filled out excepting one piece of information so I haven't sent it in, and now it appears likely (but not certain) that for many (any male aged over 50) K-1 with a Thai fiancee is (or I predict will not be) an option.

A bit of history:

South Korean males broker (read "buy") wives from Kzakastan, Vietnam and the Republic of Phillipines to the tune of greater than 50,000 a year.

The process is "pay," a broker, fly to the country, meet a group of women, pick one and a few days later marry.

Naturally there have been some issues with this sort of scenario and one stands out: In 2010 a South Korean man murdered his 20 year old "mail order bride," claiming that a "ghost told him to do so." Additionally there have been quite a lot of problems including abandonment.

Cambodia who saw quite a lot of brokered marriages reacted recently passing a law forbidding any male over age 50 from marrying a Cambodian woman (ironically, even if she was 49, or for that matter, 55) (also ironically because the "ghost directed murderer" was aged 47).

Thailand has introduced the proposal to the Cabinet. In my opinion, it is almost certain to be adopted.

"The new law is in line with similar laws in Cambodia and Laos as part of the upcoming ASEAN integration in 2015 and is expected to pass Parliament with ease and should take effect on May 1st, 2011."

Therefore there appears little point in my completing our K-1.

Since I cannot travel to Thailand before May 1st, and more importantly I don't want to marry my fiancee in Thailand because if we do she loses significant property rights, what can I do?

Since she cannot come here, can I meet her in, let's say Singapore, get married there, and then bring her here under the "other route" (I'm only familiar with the K-1 process). Any suggestions would be appreciated. Will America honor a marriage made in a country where neither of the couple is resident?

A warning: I predict that within a year or two, RP (Philippines) will also enact the same law.

By the way, if you are a female over aged 50 you can do as you please.

Edited April 1, 2011 by yailukmuu

[KittyPollitt 284]

Luckily, I have our K-1 filled out excepting one piece of information so I haven't sent it in, and now it appears likely (but not certain) that for many (any male aged over 50) K-1 with a Thai fiancee is (or I predict will not be) an option.

A bit of history:

South Korean males broker (read "buy") wives from Kzakastan, Vietnam and the Republic of Phillipines to the tune of greater than 50,000 a year.

The process is "pay," a broker, fly to the country, meet a group of women, pick one and a few days later marry.

Naturally there have been some issues with this sort of scenario and one stands out: In 2010 a South Korean man murdered his 20 year old "mail order bride," claiming that a "ghost told him to do so." Additionally there have been quite a lot of problems including abandonment.

Cambodia who saw quite a lot of brokered marriages reacted recently passing a law forbidding any male over age 50 from marrying a Cambodian woman (ironically, even if she was 49, or for that matter, 55) (also ironically because the "ghost directed murderer" was aged 47).

Thailand has introduced the proposal to the Cabinet. In my opinion, it is almost certain to be adopted.

"The new law is in line with similar laws in Cambodia and Laos as part of the upcoming ASEAN integration in 2015 and is expected to pass Parliament with ease and should take effect on May 1st, 2011."

Therefore there appears little point in my completing our K-1.

Since I cannot travel to Thailand before May 1st, and more importantly I don't want to marry my fiancee in Thailand because if we do she loses significant property rights, what can I do?

Since she cannot come here, can I meet her in, let's say Singapore, get married there, and then bring her here under the "other route" (I'm only familiar with the K-1 process). Any suggestions would be appreciated. Will America honor a marriage made in a country where neither of the couple is resident?

A warning: I predict that within a year or two, RP (Philippines) will also enact the same law.

By the way, if you are a female over aged 50 you can do as you please.

Wow, this is really intense! Does the law merely prevent men over 50 from marrying IN Thailand, or marrying a Thai woman period- Because the guideline for the K1 states that the parties must be legally able to marry in the US- it says nothing about the couple being able to legally marry in the beneficiary's home country. I imagine you could travel to another country and marry- as long as the marriage is deemed legal by US government standards, it would be valid for immigration purposes. You might want to consult a good attorney on this one to be sure of the ins and outs of it.

[yailukmuu 26]

Three years ago I met a woman online from Thailand. A month ago, after visiting her for three months I returned engaged to her.

We started the K-1 process and intended to send it in on April 10th. (She needed a copy of her birth certificate for pertinent information)

Just today it was announced that Thailand will pass a law forbidding any male aged 50 or over from marrying a Thai woman (of any age).

There is a post in the K-1 forum that explains the history of "why," Thailand is doing this. In short South Korean males broker (read buy) mail order brides, usually after meeting them for two days, which has caused problems. Cambodia has already passed such a law. Clearly 3 years of developing a relationship is not the same as two days... yet, that does not matter.

The law will certainly be in effect as of May 1st, 2011.

It would be very difficult for me to travel back to Thailand before then and worse, I do not want to marry her in Thailand. A marriage registered in Thailand causes the woman to lose certain valuable property rights. A Thai woman married in America who does not register the marriage with Thailand keeps those rights. (She is effectively married as far as America is concerned, and single as far as Thailand is concerned).

Here is my question: Can we meet in a neighboring country, such as Singapore, get married, and will America honor a marriage where neither party is a resident of the country where the marriage was officiated?

Plan "A" is dead...

Any suggestions for a Plan "B?"

I don't get depressed easily, but today I am...

[Wayne and Claudia 40]

Three years ago I met a woman online from Thailand. A month ago, after visiting her for three months I returned engaged to her.

We started the K-1 process and intended to send it in on April 10th. (She needed a copy of her birth certificate for pertinent information)

Just today it was announced that Thailand will pass a law forbidding any male aged 50 or over from marrying a Thai woman (of any age).

There is a post in the K-1 forum that explains the history of "why," Thailand is doing this. In short South Korean males broker (read buy) mail order brides, usually after meeting them for two days, which has caused problems. Cambodia has already passed such a law. Clearly 3 years of developing a relationship is not the same as two days... yet, that does not matter.

The law will certainly be in effect as of May 1st, 2011.

It would be very difficult for me to travel back to Thailand before then and worse, I do not want to marry her in Thailand. A marriage registered in Thailand causes the woman to lose certain valuable property rights. A Thai woman married in America who does not register the marriage with Thailand keeps those rights. (She is effectively married as far as America is concerned, and single as far as Thailand is concerned).

Here is my question: Can we meet in a neighboring country, such as Singapore, get married, and will America honor a marriage where neither party is a resident of the country where the marriage was officiated?

Plan "A" is dead...

Any suggestions for a Plan "B?"

I don't get depressed easily, but today I am...

Not to sound mean or insensitive but it seems you are more concerned about her rights to property than to your love as a couple. If you two truly love then property rights would be the last on the mind, therefore your post would have read: How do I get my beloved fiance here as fast as possible. I know my post seems insensitive but it is, afterall, my opinion and interpretation.

[Anh map 2,098]

You can marry anywhere.

[rsn 135]

Luckily, I have our K-1 filled out excepting one piece of information so I haven't sent it in, and now it appears likely (but not certain) that for many (any male aged over 50) K-1 with a Thai fiancee is (or I predict will not be) an option.

A bit of history:

South Korean males broker (read "buy") wives from Kzakastan, Vietnam and the Republic of Phillipines to the tune of greater than 50,000 a year.

The process is "pay," a broker, fly to the country, meet a group of women, pick one and a few days later marry.

Naturally there have been some issues with this sort of scenario and one stands out: In 2010 a South Korean man murdered his 20 year old "mail order bride," claiming that a "ghost told him to do so." Additionally there have been quite a lot of problems including abandonment.

Cambodia who saw quite a lot of brokered marriages reacted recently passing a law forbidding any male over age 50 from marrying a Cambodian woman (ironically, even if she was 49, or for that matter, 55) (also ironically because the "ghost directed murderer" was aged 47).

Thailand has introduced the proposal to the Cabinet. In my opinion, it is almost certain to be adopted.

"The new law is in line with similar laws in Cambodia and Laos as part of the upcoming ASEAN integration in 2015 and is expected to pass Parliament with ease and should take effect on May 1st, 2011."

Therefore there appears little point in my completing our K-1.

Since I cannot travel to Thailand before May 1st, and more importantly I don't want to marry my fiancee in Thailand because if we do she loses significant property rights, what can I do?

Since she cannot come here, can I meet her in, let's say Singapore, get married there, and then bring her here under the "other route" (I'm only familiar with the K-1 process). Any suggestions would be appreciated. Will America honor a marriage made in a country where neither of the couple is resident?

A warning: I predict that within a year or two, RP (Philippines) will also enact the same law.

By the way, if you are a female over aged 50 you can do as you please.

Did you really forget what day it is in Thailand? April 1st. Duh. This is obviously not a legitimate story. It is clearly a prank perpetrated by Thaivisa.com. The story has no roots anywhere else.

This is an April Fool's prank, moving to off topic

Edited April 1, 2011 by rsn

[James and Cynthia 70]

Not to sound mean or insensitive but it seems you are more concerned about her rights to property than to your love as a couple. If you two truly love then property rights would be the last on the mind, therefore your post would have read: How do I get my beloved fiance here as fast as possible. I know my post seems insensitive but it is, afterall, my opinion and interpretation.

I'm not sure how you could say that about the situation. Keeping property rights seems like something to be concerned about. What if they want to go back their to live? I certainly wouldn't give up my rights either if there was another way. He didn't say they wouldn't do that, maybe Plan C, but maybe he's checking his other options first.

OP. Wow. I can't believe they would make a law like that without making something a little less strict first that goes after the real probablem instead of eveyone else. I'm sorry for your situation. I hope you can find a way to make it work.

-James

[Ryan H 3,791]

Even if this story was legitimate (which it isn't), such a law would not affect US K1 visa cases.

Edited April 1, 2011 by Ryan H

[rsn 135]

Even if this story was legitimate (which it isn't), such a law would not affect US K1 visa cases.

Very true

[ceciliaottawa 0]

Three years ago I met a woman online from Thailand. A month ago, after visiting her for three months I returned engaged to her.

We started the K-1 process and intended to send it in on April 10th. (She needed a copy of her birth certificate for pertinent information)

Just today it was announced that Thailand will pass a law forbidding any male aged 50 or over from marrying a Thai woman (of any age).

There is a post in the K-1 forum that explains the history of "why," Thailand is doing this. In short South Korean males broker (read buy) mail order brides, usually after meeting them for two days, which has caused problems. Cambodia has already passed such a law. Clearly 3 years of developing a relationship is not the same as two days... yet, that does not matter.

The law will certainly be in effect as of May 1st, 2011.

It would be very difficult for me to travel back to Thailand before then and worse, I do not want to marry her in Thailand. A marriage registered in Thailand causes the woman to lose certain valuable property rights. A Thai woman married in America who does not register the marriage with Thailand keeps those rights. (She is effectively married as far as America is concerned, and single as far as Thailand is concerned).

Here is my question: Can we meet in a neighboring country, such as Singapore, get married, and will America honor a marriage where neither party is a resident of the country where the marriage was officiated?

Plan "A" is dead...

Any suggestions for a Plan "B?"

I don't get depressed easily, but today I am...

Not sure about Singapore or any other country... but I can say that I also married in a country where not my husband nor me where citizens. I am from argentina and came to canada to work temporarily. I married my American husband here in Canada and everything went ok. I think you can marry anywhere... as long as it is a civil marriage and not just religious.

[James and Cynthia 70]

Nice one. You got me. I wasn't ready for April 1st yet.

-James

Edited April 1, 2011 by James and Cynthia

[yailukmuu 26]

Thanks for your sensitivity rsn, why not just come out and say: "you fool." Your comment is mean.

Yes, I did forget that it's April 1st in Thailand and if it's simply a joke, it's in extremely poor taste because it is echoed at many, many other websites.

[yohino 22]

Ok, this might be a dumb input, since I haven't actually read up on this new law and how it'll affect you but..

Will it actually affect your K-1? You won't be getting married in Thailand, but in the US and there is no such law here.

[^_^ 5,021]

Makes sense. There is something very disturbing and weird about middle aged dudes going to foreign countries and marrying women (or should i say girls?) two decades their junior or more.

[rsn 135]

Thanks for your sensitivity rsn, why not just come out and say: "you fool." Your comment is mean.

Yes, I did forget that it's April 1st in Thailand and if it's simply a joke, it's in extremely poor taste because it is echoed at many, many other websites.

It's April fool's day, lighten up. Hundreds of others on Thaivisa.com fell for it too. You're in good company.

Going forward, you should probably investigate a story a bit before you post it all over VJ (you posted this in two places). It is not uncommon for someone to post something (a "news" story) on VJ and claim it is factual when it is not. This should not happen. Just because it is on "many other websites" does not mean it is legitimate. In fact, it was probably posted on other sites by people who didn't do their due diligence and assumed it was true. If the story does not come from an established news source, it is to be taken with a grain of salt.

Edited April 1, 2011 by rsn