Follow up to Cancelling Greencard

[athena_ny 1]

Why is this person still allowed to post anyway??

Most of us are wondering the same thing.

[Anastassia 0]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't actually believe that ICE literally deports people. All I hear is people get the letter saying they should leave the country unless they are detained for other crimes.

I don't believe ICE even actively looks for those who are under removal proceedings if their place of stay is unknown.

[nane1104 146]

That's the impression I have. Well, I guess if you are in a situation like the OP is, it is more than understanding that you want your (former) spouse out of the country and have at least that kind of "payback" or the feeling that you are in control of the situation.

I just remember how I felt when I found out that an exbf really just had used me and I wished a lot of bad things on him. I can only imagine how hurt you are after you go through all the immigration stuff for and with your spouse and then something like that happens.

But yes, I don't think that whoever is responsible for deporting people, is doing this out of sympathy for the USC and his/her hurt feelings, as much as we would wish for that sometimes.

[zqt3344 21]

Why is this person still allowed to post anyway??

Most of us are wondering the same thing.

As most of us are wondering the same thing about you.

[Sylvia_n_Joseph 3]

This story makes no sense...if he's already received his greencard, you need proof of fraud. They don't just pick up and deport someone because you complained...and how is an application WITHDRAWN if it's already approved?

I'm guessing the OP has left a lot out of the story?

If I read it right, he only got his conditional greencard and she withdrew her affidavit of support. I guess the hope is, that he can't file for lifting of conditions if there is a "marriage fraud red flag" all over the file.

How and if that will lead to deportation is not completley clear to me.

That's the thing...she can't withdraw the affidavit if he has his green card; if USCIS does a fraud investigation and deports him, that would relieve her of the duties detailed in the affidavit, but until they do that, she's still responsible.

Unless pushbrk's assessment is right. Which is may be.

The affidavit is a contract. Fraud negates contracts. If they tried to enforce it , the OP could refuse on the grounds of fraud. It would then become the governments burden to disprove the fraud. If they collected any monies after her challange the OP could sue for the return of the monies and interest.

[diadromous mermaid 36]

This story makes no sense...if he's already received his greencard, you need proof of fraud. They don't just pick up and deport someone because you complained...and how is an application WITHDRAWN if it's already approved?

I'm guessing the OP has left a lot out of the story?

If I read it right, he only got his conditional greencard and she withdrew her affidavit of support. I guess the hope is, that he can't file for lifting of conditions if there is a "marriage fraud red flag" all over the file.

How and if that will lead to deportation is not completley clear to me.

That's the thing...she can't withdraw the affidavit if he has his green card; if USCIS does a fraud investigation and deports him, that would relieve her of the duties detailed in the affidavit, but until they do that, she's still responsible.

Unless pushbrk's assessment is right. Which is may be.

The affidavit is a contract. Fraud negates contracts. If they tried to enforce it , the OP could refuse on the grounds of fraud. It would then become the governments burden to disprove the fraud. If they collected any monies after her challange the OP could sue for the return of the monies and interest.

First, fraud would have to be proven to negate any contract...and the contract would have to be between the same two parties. You are muddling fraud of an USC by an alien, and a contract between a USC and the USCIS!

[TracyTN 237]

Why is this person still allowed to post anyway??

Most of us are wondering the same thing.

As most of us are wondering the same thing about you.

And about you.

Edited April 8, 2008 by TracyTN

[zqt3344 21]

Why is this person still allowed to post anyway??

Most of us are wondering the same thing.

As most of us are wondering the same thing about you.

And about you.

Ah and you too!

They have a good point about the fraud, would be interesting to see USCIS try to uphold that 'contract' when it was based upon a fraud to begin with. Wonder if this has ever been in court yet.

This story makes no sense...if he's already received his greencard, you need proof of fraud. They don't just pick up and deport someone because you complained...and how is an application WITHDRAWN if it's already approved?

I'm guessing the OP has left a lot out of the story?

If I read it right, he only got his conditional greencard and she withdrew her affidavit of support. I guess the hope is, that he can't file for lifting of conditions if there is a "marriage fraud red flag" all over the file.

How and if that will lead to deportation is not completley clear to me.

That's the thing...she can't withdraw the affidavit if he has his green card; if USCIS does a fraud investigation and deports him, that would relieve her of the duties detailed in the affidavit, but until they do that, she's still responsible.

Unless pushbrk's assessment is right. Which is may be.

The affidavit is a contract. Fraud negates contracts. If they tried to enforce it , the OP could refuse on the grounds of fraud. It would then become the governments burden to disprove the fraud. If they collected any monies after her challange the OP could sue for the return of the monies and interest.

First, fraud would have to be proven to negate any contract...and the contract would have to be between the same two parties. You are muddling fraud of an USC by an alien, and a contract between a USC and the USCIS!

[Taylorlove 0]

Why is this person still allowed to post anyway??

Most of us are wondering the same thing.

As most of us are wondering the same thing about you.

And about you.

Ah and you too!

oh no it isn't ...oh yes it is!.... oh no it isn't.... OH YES IT IS! Come on children..

They have a good point about the fraud, would be interesting to see USCIS try to uphold that 'contract' when it was based upon a fraud to begin with. Wonder if this has ever been in court yet.

This story makes no sense...if he's already received his greencard, you need proof of fraud. They don't just pick up and deport someone because you complained...and how is an application WITHDRAWN if it's already approved?

I'm guessing the OP has left a lot out of the story?

If I read it right, he only got his conditional greencard and she withdrew her affidavit of support. I guess the hope is, that he can't file for lifting of conditions if there is a "marriage fraud red flag" all over the file.

How and if that will lead to deportation is not completley clear to me.

That's the thing...she can't withdraw the affidavit if he has his green card; if USCIS does a fraud investigation and deports him, that would relieve her of the duties detailed in the affidavit, but until they do that, she's still responsible.

Unless pushbrk's assessment is right. Which is may be.

The affidavit is a contract. Fraud negates contracts. If they tried to enforce it , the OP could refuse on the grounds of fraud. It would then become the governments burden to disprove the fraud. If they collected any monies after her challange the OP could sue for the return of the monies and interest.

First, fraud would have to be proven to negate any contract...and the contract would have to be between the same two parties. You are muddling fraud of an USC by an alien, and a contract between a USC and the USCIS!

[StillThePrettiest 3]

Why is this person still allowed to post anyway??

Most of us are wondering the same thing.

As most of us are wondering the same thing about you.

And about you.

Ah and you too!

...actually, no: just about you

and no returns

[athena_ny 1]

Why is this person still allowed to post anyway??

Most of us are wondering the same thing.

As most of us are wondering the same thing about you.

Or just the people in your head.

[TracyTN 237]

[zqt3344 21]

or maybe in your illusionary world's you each live in daily hopefully you can read so cast your naive eyes below.

Read below and get enlightened for a change.

Calif. visa scam allegedly helped prostitutes

Beverly Hills man accused of using language schools to bring in Russians

AP NEWS updated 8:47 p.m. ET, Wed., April. 9, 2008

LOS ANGELES - A Beverly Hills man was arrested Wednesday on charges that he used his English language schools as a front to get student visas for Russian prostitutes and other ineligible foreigners.

Behzad "Ben" Zaman, 50, a naturalized U.S. citizen from Iran, was arrested by federal customs agents at the Concord English Language Center on Wilshire Boulevard near downtown.

On Tuesday, a grand jury indicted Zaman on 14 counts of fraud and misuse of visas, conspiracy and money laundering, according to a statement from federal officials. The charges carry a maximum penalty of 210 years in prison.

Zaman operated Concord and another school, the International College for English Studies, authorities said.

Zaman could not be reached for comment. Calls to both schools were not answered Wednesday.

'Legitimate students' at schools

Federal agents did not close the two schools, said Virginia Kice, a spokeswoman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

"There are legitimate students that go to these schools and there are real classrooms," Kice said.

However, Zaman also charged thousands of dollars in "tuition" to "students" who were kept on the enrollment books even though they were not attending classes, authorities contended.

The indictment specifically cited more than $320,000 Zaman allegedly received from illegal activities, authorities said.

The schools claimed to have more than 1,000 students early this year but in fact could not physically hold them, the statement said.

In fact, some of the "students" were people from Uzbekistan and Latvia who were ineligible for student visas, according to the indictment.

"Russian and Latvian women prostitutes were posing as English-language students," alleged an affidavit for a search warrant.

'Flagrant violation'

The number of allegedly phony students was not disclosed. However, the case is believed to be one of the largest student visa fraud schemes uncovered on the West Coast, said Robert Schoch, special agent in charge of the U.S. Customs and Enforcement office of investigations in Los Angeles.

"This flagrant violation of our immigration laws shows how greed can compromise our national security," U.S. Attorney Thomas P. O'Brien said in a statement. "We welcome legitimate students who want to take advantage of educational opportunities in America. We do not welcome individuals posing as students who have no intention of studying and who simply want to gain access to this country."

The search warrant affidavit said a woman from Thailand told customs officials that she paid $2,000 a year to obtain immigration status from International College but did not attend classes.

Why is this person still allowed to post anyway??

Most of us are wondering the same thing.

As most of us are wondering the same thing about you.

Or just the people in your head.

[StillThePrettiest 3]

*reads... an article of dubious origin and even more dubious veracity that has absolutely nothing to do with marriage-based immigration*

ok, we're supposed to be enlightened how, exactly? perhaps now would be a good moment for me to share my recipe for Thai fish cakes? it would be about as pertinent

[TracyTN 237]

What's the price of tea in China these days, anyway?