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Health experts keep warning against using ivermectin as a Covid treatment. Some Americans refuse to listen.
Image Highly concentrated veterinary ivermectin has been flying off the shelves of U.S. supply stores, despite its dangers to humans.Credit...Denis Farrell/Associated Press By Alyssa Lukpat and Emma Goldberg
Sept. 4, 2021, 4:11 p.m. ET   A doctor in rural Oklahoma says hospitals are backed up with patients who have overdosed on veterinary ivermectin, an anti-parasite medication. Mississippi’s health department said that 70 percent of recent calls to the state poison control center in August came from people who ingested ivermectin from livestock supply stores.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that a person had an “altered mental status” after apparently taking five pills of ivermectin — that he had purchased on the internet — daily for five days. Another person drank an ivermectin formula intended for cattle and was hospitalized for nine days with tremors and hallucinations.
Three inmates in a jail in northwest Arkansas told The Associated Press that they were unknowingly given ivermectin among their Covid medications. The C.D.C. reported almost 90,000 prescriptions per week in mid-August, up from a prepandemic average of 3,600 per week. Veterinary supply store shelves have been emptied of ivermectin.
Public health warnings against using the drug as a treatment for Covid-19, especially not in the large doses crafted for livestock, appear to have made little dent in its surging popularity in the United States — or in the minds of its defenders in the conservative and fringe right-wing media sphere.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/04/world/ivermectin-health-experts.html

Health experts keep warning against using ivermectin as a Covid treatment. Some Americans refuse to listen.
Image Highly concentrated veterinary ivermectin has been flying off the shelves of U.S. supply stores, despite its dangers to humans.Credit...Denis Farrell/Associated Press By Alyssa Lukpat and Emma Goldberg
Sept. 4, 2021, 4:11 p.m. ET   A doctor in rural Oklahoma says hospitals are backed up with patients who have overdosed on veterinary ivermectin, an anti-parasite medication. Mississippi’s health department said that 70 percent of recent calls to the state poison control center in August came from people who ingested ivermectin from livestock supply stores.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that a person had an “altered mental status” after apparently taking five pills of ivermectin — that he had purchased on the internet — daily for five days. Another person drank an ivermectin formula intended for cattle and was hospitalized for nine days with tremors and hallucinations.
Three inmates in a jail in northwest Arkansas told The Associated Press that they were unknowingly given ivermectin among their Covid medications. The C.D.C. reported almost 90,000 prescriptions per week in mid-August, up from a prepandemic average of 3,600 per week. Veterinary supply store shelves have been emptied of ivermectin.
Public health warnings against using the drug as a treatment for Covid-19, especially not in the large doses crafted for livestock, appear to have made little dent in its surging popularity in the United States — or in the minds of its defenders in the conservative and fringe right-wing media sphere.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/04/world/ivermectin-health-experts.html

Yes but the other data set was a public Survey Monkey poll of anyone with the link by an unknown author during an unspecified time range , soooooo to be fair.

Yeah that's exactly the same abridgment of liberty 🗽
 
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But that's not distributed by the US? That's clearly a kit distributed by the IMSS, which is a Mexican authority. You were talking about US authorities giving Ivermectin to refugees coming from Afghanistan, for the eradication of intestinal parasites. I mean, there's moving goalposts a little and then there's relocation to another country and repurposing for some other use entirely!  
 
I am not saying definitively that ivermectin isn't and never will be a treatment for COVID -- the large-scale studies on this just aren't complete yet. Other small studies and several studies that have been discredited indicate that it could be. That just isn't enough to know it is safe and effective. I don't decide for myself what drugs I want to take to treat more than simple aches and pains. I consult with my doctors. Ivermectin is not approved by the FDA as a treatment for COVID, nor is there emergency use authorization. Is it used for other purposes, safely and effectively? Yes, of course. But -- and this is an important point given our discussion elsewhere about the Hippocratic Oath -- doctors must do no harm. That means not prescribing drugs outside of a clinical trial that may or may not work for a particular condition. 
 
I would love for Ivermectin to be a safe and effective treatment for COVID, please don't get me wrong. But I don't mess around with my health, nor do I take medical advice from the internet. I ask my doctors instead, people who know me and my body. People are desperate, I understand that, but that doesn't mean playing around because you read some stuff online. Go talk to your doctors and ask their opinion. They're the ones who prescribe medication, after all. 

Health experts keep warning against using ivermectin as a Covid treatment. Some Americans refuse to listen.
Image Highly concentrated veterinary ivermectin has been flying off the shelves of U.S. supply stores, despite its dangers to humans.Credit...Denis Farrell/Associated Press By Alyssa Lukpat and Emma Goldberg
Sept. 4, 2021, 4:11 p.m. ET   A doctor in rural Oklahoma says hospitals are backed up with patients who have overdosed on veterinary ivermectin, an anti-parasite medication. Mississippi’s health department said that 70 percent of recent calls to the state poison control center in August came from people who ingested ivermectin from livestock supply stores.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that a person had an “altered mental status” after apparently taking five pills of ivermectin — that he had purchased on the internet — daily for five days. Another person drank an ivermectin formula intended for cattle and was hospitalized for nine days with tremors and hallucinations.
Three inmates in a jail in northwest Arkansas told The Associated Press that they were unknowingly given ivermectin among their Covid medications. The C.D.C. reported almost 90,000 prescriptions per week in mid-August, up from a prepandemic average of 3,600 per week. Veterinary supply store shelves have been emptied of ivermectin.
Public health warnings against using the drug as a treatment for Covid-19, especially not in the large doses crafted for livestock, appear to have made little dent in its surging popularity in the United States — or in the minds of its defenders in the conservative and fringe right-wing media sphere.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/04/world/ivermectin-health-experts.html

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That sounds like first hand observation, my question was about what science her coworkers used to convince her. 

What science did her coworkers bring her that convinced her you were right?

But if it's so safe why not 100%? 

But this isn't a legal thing, it's an ethical thing. There's no legal obligation for a doctor or healthcare professional to treat someone whose political positions or thoughts on healthcare don't coincide with the provider's, but there's an ethical duty to treat anyway. That's my understanding from being the daughter of a doctor -- we discussed these kinds of things over the dinner table growing up, and we talked about Candace Owens last night. My mom's position is that she gives care to whoever asks for it, as long as the care is warranted (i.e., don't treat a virus with antibiotics, or a sprained ankle with a cast and some opioids), she's got the training to provide the type of care needed, and the patient is not endangering the safety of herself and the others in her office. The doctor here wasn't turning down Owens because she's African-American, or a woman, or Christian, or any of the other protected classes. She turned her down because she doesn't take COVID seriously. She can do that legally, and Owens can file a complaint to the Colorado Medical Society for any ethics violation. 
 
Ethics violations don't always mean someone has broken the law. 

great analogy 

I don't think the analogy of ditches hold when we start talking psuedo science views of Covid...more like out left field or right field or out there so far it's where the fields collide...we are talking flat earth society (mixed metaphor)
 
 
The problem is about 1/3 of the population is booking a cruise on the SS  Looney Toons ( yet another metaphor), Its some sort of mass hysteria like fanny packs or mullets, only more embarrassing and fatal.
 
 

Yup that is your sign. Of course any thing you post that is not driven by wild eyed conspiracy will be ignored as fake news, along with a narrative about all their health care worker friends who refuse to get it.
 
 But by all means let's run down to tractor supply and drink horse medicine. 

But if it's so safe why not 100%? 

As an aside, I love Tractor Supply. Walking those aisle fill me with great inspiration for upgrades on the home front. Last time I bought a watering trough for a horse, which is awkward bringing it home when we don't have a horse, but hey it was a great deal.   Tractor Supply is in my recommendation list for hot stocks. 

Exactly...and others can hold the belief that love between two people of the same sex can be blessed by God while holding on to their Christianity.  Belief in healthy  same sex relationships does not equal atheism or agnosticism.

My understanding is that something like 96% of physicians are now fully vaccinated. I can look for the link. 
 
Edit -- here it is: https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19
 
So over 96% last month and that number is growing. 

I made bank betting against your bullish view on Nike. I anxiously await your next Fox and Friends stock market tip I can short.
 
 
 
 
 

Exactly...and others can hold the belief that love between two people of the same sex can be blessed by God while holding on to their Christianity.  Belief in healthy  same sex relationships does not equal atheism or agnosticism.

Until you enter the US with your F3 visas, you are not green card holders.  But, as immigrant visa holders, you are exempt from the requirement to stay in a non-restricted country prior to your US travel.  Refer to "COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions" -- https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/visa-information-resources/covid-19-travel-restrictions-and-exceptions.html
 
The Proclamations do not apply to: [...]
certain travelers whose entry would be in the national interest, as determined by the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or their designees. [...]  These three categories of travelers are automatically considered for National Interest Exception (NIE) at the Port of Entry and do not require advance approval of a NIE from an embassy or consulate.
immigrants of all categories [...]

Vaccines have been required for immigration for decades

I lost a cousin to HIV so the question feels personal. Back then cultural and politics got in the way of empathy and his death was darkened by family members not supporting each other. Even though the stigma was over lifestyle and not vaccines and masks it feels like deja Vu.
 
I really don't get why some insist this is a culture war issue. The virus is real agnostic to someone's life view. The science is clear. 

That happened with the Pompeo Trump peace "process"