SurferCat

Kept tabs on this topic during the day and I'm glad to see it didn't disappoint, since I got through at least three bags of popcorn reading all this.
 
My two cents:
 
It's a basic tenet of law in America (and much of the western world) that you cannot punish someone in the future for actions that were legal and approved of in the past. Given that Obamacare subsidies, TANF/food stamps, even EIC on your income tax returns (yeah, they're going after this... seriously) have never been subject to public charge concerns, I don't think it's possible or probably even legal to retroactively punish those people by holding it against them today. Certainly, this administration can, by executive order alone, redefine 'public charge' so that from this point onwards those programs are included, but retroactively to the past? I doubt it. This would be one sure fire way to be able to challenge this policy in the courts.
 
A second way would be how they plan to consider family members' use of these programs, including US citizen relatives, for public charge considerations of the alien. It's yet another central tenet of law that you cannot punish person X for the actions of person Y. This might be an even stronger argument than the one above about how to challenge such a policy, if it were to be enacted.
 
Fortunately, since Drumpf and his administration are largely incompetent, and he has hacks and white-supremacist-adjacent-people like Stephen Miller coordinating policies like this, it's a virtual certainty that this would be challenged in court. At a minimum, it will be delayed for months, perhaps years, until the Supreme Court eventually rules on it. And by then, if sanity returns and a Democratic (big and small d) president is elected in 2020, they could render the whole thing moot by yet again redefining 'public charge' with the stroke of a pen on day 1.
 
And to re-iterate what was already said, these changes would apply to AoS and immigrant visas only, not naturalisation. To make them apply to naturalisation would require an act of Congress, and there is zero chance of anything like this getting through the Senate; no Democrat would vote for it. That's largely why Trump's trying to use his executive authority to make this change.
 
Additionally, this policy likely wouldn't apply to pending cases. It would instead take effect on some arbitrary date the administration would choose, and so any case filed on or after that date would be bound by these new rules, and cases filed or pending before that date would be bound by the existing rules.
 
It's just the latest example of anti-immigration policies and rhetoric espoused by Trump and his supporters. As I said, with someone like Stephen Miller at the helm, a man who would cut immigration to zero if it were possible, with the use of this chart as his second choice, it's going to be a constant rut of things like this churning through the news over and over and over again until Trump leaves office. Or is, ahem, made to leave office.

The problem is this for example, Obama Care you can legally use as an LPR, and one day you come and make it illegal and penalize someone out of the blue - unless they put a future date and give time for people to be off it.
 
This will intentionally hurt legal residents who did nothing wrong until this Orange one came along.

A bad idea when you actually have assets, like savings for retirement.  One hospitalization could completely wipe you out.
 
If it is retroactive, we might move back to Scandinavia.  If the Sweden Democrats win in the upcoming election, I think I can assume that reason and order has returned to the region.  
 
The whole thing just pisses me off, because subsidies and subsidized healthcare are a stepping stone for a lot of families.  In the next two years, we'll be paying for an employer family plan anyway.  
 
 

Perhaps people can take their rambling about Trump and Clinton somewhere else and stay on topic.
 
If this policy goes into effect I guess I'll just end my health insurance I have through Obamacare and live without insurance instead. My spouse and I do not have health insurance through work. I don't think it's possible that this policy will work retroactively since Obamacare for immigrants is legal today. If so, hopefully the policy will be blocked in court like others have said.

And if they say "Clinton cheated, he's a horrible role model" and "Trump cheated but it's no big deal and actually makes him more likable to some", there's nothing inside you that wants to raise your hand a little bit and say "hey, that's kinda a double standard"?

Bill Gates? 

Thought you would be out for the day? 😂 again who told you I voted for Hilary?? i could have casted my vote for bernie or even abstain  😳😳 so again you blaming Hilary for her husband’s actions but Not Trump because He is a so called Billionaire??? How do you even know he is a real billionaire, did he show you his tax return? 😂 so according to your logic a billionaire can cheat and grab women by their 😺 without  their consent because of the money they own !  I mean you really make no sens ! 

Hahahaha. Did you know trump has an entire wikipedia page about his sexual misconduct allegations? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations
You guys are absolutely ridiculous. You keep inventing new and idiotic ways to say "it was bad when Clinton/Obama did something but when Trump does it, it's great!" You employ the very definition of a double standard. 

So it's ok for Trump to do it but not Clinton, is what you are saying. 

I don’t know what Hilary has to do with this convo but I get Trumpster like to brIng the hilary card when they are out of arguments 🙈anyway your role model not only did He slept with porn star and pay them to silence them but He also grab women by the p”@:; i know you might say it’s only locker room talk lol  you are very hilarious yeah you should definitely be out for the day 👍🏻

It's an "I got to immigrate, now close the doors" attitude and it's not appreciated here. 

Yeah I'm not really sure how telling immigrants on an immigration site that it would be fine to have the US stop letting in immigrants altogether is an asset. Especially since they/their spouse is one, it's a very "screw you, we got ours" attitude, the type of attitude that is ruining this country. 

Then why are you even on this site...

It's amazing to find people on here who have brought spouses and other family members here but at the same time, seem to support politicians who are anti-immigrant and who are trying to make it more and more difficult for our loved ones to legally immigrate to be with us.
 
Do you guys not realize that those same politicians would like to prevent your loved ones from immigrating here or naturalizing as well? Of course, typical conservative response: I've got mine; so crew you and your family.
 
The government represents us and should work better for us. It's insane to have to wait years for fiance and then AOS applications to be processed. Some European countries are able to have it completed in about 3 months.

God that would be nice. ha. all this stress and then just coasting through. I feel like every step has a significant roadblock - first it was Jassy's birth certificate that was wrong, so he had to go through a many month long process (almost finished!) to get that changed, now it will be the RFE, then the medical (where he might be required to do a sputum because he had TB years ago). 
 
Smile... breath... it's not yet time to be stressed. I have to remind myself that I'm allowed to stress about it if/when it happens, but not now. It's not time yet. 
 
Thanks for the hopeful words!!!

I'm sad. I found out I sent the wrong divorce paper - NISI not absolute (Mass. does not automatically send the absolute, you have to order it). 
 
At least I know exactly what my RFE will be, and I ordered the document yesterday, so I can send it back immediately. 

My timeline moved back a day! My timeline moved back a day! NOA2 May 11-15 instead of 12-16! 
 
I'm with Naes - I am (not so cautiously) hopeful it will move back more in the coming months

My timeline moved back a day! My timeline moved back a day! NOA2 May 11-15 instead of 12-16! 
 
I'm with Naes - I am (not so cautiously) hopeful it will move back more in the coming months

My timeline moved back a day! My timeline moved back a day! NOA2 May 11-15 instead of 12-16! 
 
I'm with Naes - I am (not so cautiously) hopeful it will move back more in the coming months

My timeline moved back a day! My timeline moved back a day! NOA2 May 11-15 instead of 12-16! 
 
I'm with Naes - I am (not so cautiously) hopeful it will move back more in the coming months

By the way I'm all for wishful thinking  I still believe my timeline may go back to march 14!!! Let's see what August will bring  
 
hope for the best and keep your heart in the worst so you won't get disappointed (my motto at the moment!)

So I'm starting to feel pregnant. And this k1 visa is getting closer to waiting for a baby to arrive in 9-10 months... 
 
can I have a c-section please??? 
 
On another note my English improved writing on this forum so that's good (I didn't even know the word adjudicator existed )

Not sure how to really sure how to work these forums, but Naes , yoy asked me to keep you informed how i maded out about taking photos of the engagment in front of a priest in Brazil to help valid the relationship..... I just got approved this afternoon according to the tracker. My receive date was july 11  

I have missed fiancé's birthday every year except one. I wish I wish I wish the POE will be in June - it's possible if the NVC is the normal 2 weeks and I know the Philippines Embassy is supposed to be quick. That's best case scenario. Worst is September, so I'm ready for anything. 
 
I'm actually just happy he won't be arriving in the middle of winter - if he got of the plane in January, he might have just turned around and got right back on it !! 

I hope we all post photos further down the line of wedding pics!  Would absolutely love to see them i always snoop on previous month’s to look at wedding pics 😍