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I wasn't sure where to post it where it'd be the most use to people, so I'm putting it here. 
 
We had a very stressful situation for my husband's oath ceremony. His oath was at the end of August. That week, his mother fell gravely ill and it was necessary for us to book a flight to the UK as soon as we could, which was basically immediately after his oath. We may hold the record for quickest departure from the US after an oath ceremony. Anyway, I knew you aren't meant to travel outside the US without a US passport, but we were left with little choice. There wasn't even time to get an emergency one at a passport center before we left, which I've heard can be processed anywhere from 12 hours to 2-3 days at best. We flew 2 hours after his oath. Anyway, all was fine leaving the country and then we made an appointment with the local US consulate when we got there. We went in and told them about our emergency, brought the death certificate although that was not required, and they were able to issue an emergency limited use passport for him. We then updated the airlines and used it to go through US immigration on the way back. There were some extra questions about why we didn't get it before we left, but ultimately they were understanding and it was all fine. 
 
When we got back, he filed to convert it to a 10 year passport and there were no issues with doing that. I just wanted to post this in case anyone else has an equally horribly timed emergency. 

I wasn't sure where to post it where it'd be the most use to people, so I'm putting it here. 
 
We had a very stressful situation for my husband's oath ceremony. His oath was at the end of August. That week, his mother fell gravely ill and it was necessary for us to book a flight to the UK as soon as we could, which was basically immediately after his oath. We may hold the record for quickest departure from the US after an oath ceremony. Anyway, I knew you aren't meant to travel outside the US without a US passport, but we were left with little choice. There wasn't even time to get an emergency one at a passport center before we left, which I've heard can be processed anywhere from 12 hours to 2-3 days at best. We flew 2 hours after his oath. Anyway, all was fine leaving the country and then we made an appointment with the local US consulate when we got there. We went in and told them about our emergency, brought the death certificate although that was not required, and they were able to issue an emergency limited use passport for him. We then updated the airlines and used it to go through US immigration on the way back. There were some extra questions about why we didn't get it before we left, but ultimately they were understanding and it was all fine. 
 
When we got back, he filed to convert it to a 10 year passport and there were no issues with doing that. I just wanted to post this in case anyone else has an equally horribly timed emergency. 

I wasn't sure where to post it where it'd be the most use to people, so I'm putting it here. 
 
We had a very stressful situation for my husband's oath ceremony. His oath was at the end of August. That week, his mother fell gravely ill and it was necessary for us to book a flight to the UK as soon as we could, which was basically immediately after his oath. We may hold the record for quickest departure from the US after an oath ceremony. Anyway, I knew you aren't meant to travel outside the US without a US passport, but we were left with little choice. There wasn't even time to get an emergency one at a passport center before we left, which I've heard can be processed anywhere from 12 hours to 2-3 days at best. We flew 2 hours after his oath. Anyway, all was fine leaving the country and then we made an appointment with the local US consulate when we got there. We went in and told them about our emergency, brought the death certificate although that was not required, and they were able to issue an emergency limited use passport for him. We then updated the airlines and used it to go through US immigration on the way back. There were some extra questions about why we didn't get it before we left, but ultimately they were understanding and it was all fine. 
 
When we got back, he filed to convert it to a 10 year passport and there were no issues with doing that. I just wanted to post this in case anyone else has an equally horribly timed emergency. 

I wasn't sure where to post it where it'd be the most use to people, so I'm putting it here. 
 
We had a very stressful situation for my husband's oath ceremony. His oath was at the end of August. That week, his mother fell gravely ill and it was necessary for us to book a flight to the UK as soon as we could, which was basically immediately after his oath. We may hold the record for quickest departure from the US after an oath ceremony. Anyway, I knew you aren't meant to travel outside the US without a US passport, but we were left with little choice. There wasn't even time to get an emergency one at a passport center before we left, which I've heard can be processed anywhere from 12 hours to 2-3 days at best. We flew 2 hours after his oath. Anyway, all was fine leaving the country and then we made an appointment with the local US consulate when we got there. We went in and told them about our emergency, brought the death certificate although that was not required, and they were able to issue an emergency limited use passport for him. We then updated the airlines and used it to go through US immigration on the way back. There were some extra questions about why we didn't get it before we left, but ultimately they were understanding and it was all fine. 
 
When we got back, he filed to convert it to a 10 year passport and there were no issues with doing that. I just wanted to post this in case anyone else has an equally horribly timed emergency. 

I wasn't sure where to post it where it'd be the most use to people, so I'm putting it here. 
 
We had a very stressful situation for my husband's oath ceremony. His oath was at the end of August. That week, his mother fell gravely ill and it was necessary for us to book a flight to the UK as soon as we could, which was basically immediately after his oath. We may hold the record for quickest departure from the US after an oath ceremony. Anyway, I knew you aren't meant to travel outside the US without a US passport, but we were left with little choice. There wasn't even time to get an emergency one at a passport center before we left, which I've heard can be processed anywhere from 12 hours to 2-3 days at best. We flew 2 hours after his oath. Anyway, all was fine leaving the country and then we made an appointment with the local US consulate when we got there. We went in and told them about our emergency, brought the death certificate although that was not required, and they were able to issue an emergency limited use passport for him. We then updated the airlines and used it to go through US immigration on the way back. There were some extra questions about why we didn't get it before we left, but ultimately they were understanding and it was all fine. 
 
When we got back, he filed to convert it to a 10 year passport and there were no issues with doing that. I just wanted to post this in case anyone else has an equally horribly timed emergency. 

I wasn't sure where to post it where it'd be the most use to people, so I'm putting it here. 
 
We had a very stressful situation for my husband's oath ceremony. His oath was at the end of August. That week, his mother fell gravely ill and it was necessary for us to book a flight to the UK as soon as we could, which was basically immediately after his oath. We may hold the record for quickest departure from the US after an oath ceremony. Anyway, I knew you aren't meant to travel outside the US without a US passport, but we were left with little choice. There wasn't even time to get an emergency one at a passport center before we left, which I've heard can be processed anywhere from 12 hours to 2-3 days at best. We flew 2 hours after his oath. Anyway, all was fine leaving the country and then we made an appointment with the local US consulate when we got there. We went in and told them about our emergency, brought the death certificate although that was not required, and they were able to issue an emergency limited use passport for him. We then updated the airlines and used it to go through US immigration on the way back. There were some extra questions about why we didn't get it before we left, but ultimately they were understanding and it was all fine. 
 
When we got back, he filed to convert it to a 10 year passport and there were no issues with doing that. I just wanted to post this in case anyone else has an equally horribly timed emergency. 

I wasn't sure where to post it where it'd be the most use to people, so I'm putting it here. 
 
We had a very stressful situation for my husband's oath ceremony. His oath was at the end of August. That week, his mother fell gravely ill and it was necessary for us to book a flight to the UK as soon as we could, which was basically immediately after his oath. We may hold the record for quickest departure from the US after an oath ceremony. Anyway, I knew you aren't meant to travel outside the US without a US passport, but we were left with little choice. There wasn't even time to get an emergency one at a passport center before we left, which I've heard can be processed anywhere from 12 hours to 2-3 days at best. We flew 2 hours after his oath. Anyway, all was fine leaving the country and then we made an appointment with the local US consulate when we got there. We went in and told them about our emergency, brought the death certificate although that was not required, and they were able to issue an emergency limited use passport for him. We then updated the airlines and used it to go through US immigration on the way back. There were some extra questions about why we didn't get it before we left, but ultimately they were understanding and it was all fine. 
 
When we got back, he filed to convert it to a 10 year passport and there were no issues with doing that. I just wanted to post this in case anyone else has an equally horribly timed emergency. 

I wasn't sure where to post it where it'd be the most use to people, so I'm putting it here. 
 
We had a very stressful situation for my husband's oath ceremony. His oath was at the end of August. That week, his mother fell gravely ill and it was necessary for us to book a flight to the UK as soon as we could, which was basically immediately after his oath. We may hold the record for quickest departure from the US after an oath ceremony. Anyway, I knew you aren't meant to travel outside the US without a US passport, but we were left with little choice. There wasn't even time to get an emergency one at a passport center before we left, which I've heard can be processed anywhere from 12 hours to 2-3 days at best. We flew 2 hours after his oath. Anyway, all was fine leaving the country and then we made an appointment with the local US consulate when we got there. We went in and told them about our emergency, brought the death certificate although that was not required, and they were able to issue an emergency limited use passport for him. We then updated the airlines and used it to go through US immigration on the way back. There were some extra questions about why we didn't get it before we left, but ultimately they were understanding and it was all fine. 
 
When we got back, he filed to convert it to a 10 year passport and there were no issues with doing that. I just wanted to post this in case anyone else has an equally horribly timed emergency. 

I wasn't sure where to post it where it'd be the most use to people, so I'm putting it here. 
 
We had a very stressful situation for my husband's oath ceremony. His oath was at the end of August. That week, his mother fell gravely ill and it was necessary for us to book a flight to the UK as soon as we could, which was basically immediately after his oath. We may hold the record for quickest departure from the US after an oath ceremony. Anyway, I knew you aren't meant to travel outside the US without a US passport, but we were left with little choice. There wasn't even time to get an emergency one at a passport center before we left, which I've heard can be processed anywhere from 12 hours to 2-3 days at best. We flew 2 hours after his oath. Anyway, all was fine leaving the country and then we made an appointment with the local US consulate when we got there. We went in and told them about our emergency, brought the death certificate although that was not required, and they were able to issue an emergency limited use passport for him. We then updated the airlines and used it to go through US immigration on the way back. There were some extra questions about why we didn't get it before we left, but ultimately they were understanding and it was all fine. 
 
When we got back, he filed to convert it to a 10 year passport and there were no issues with doing that. I just wanted to post this in case anyone else has an equally horribly timed emergency. 

I wasn't sure where to post it where it'd be the most use to people, so I'm putting it here. 
 
We had a very stressful situation for my husband's oath ceremony. His oath was at the end of August. That week, his mother fell gravely ill and it was necessary for us to book a flight to the UK as soon as we could, which was basically immediately after his oath. We may hold the record for quickest departure from the US after an oath ceremony. Anyway, I knew you aren't meant to travel outside the US without a US passport, but we were left with little choice. There wasn't even time to get an emergency one at a passport center before we left, which I've heard can be processed anywhere from 12 hours to 2-3 days at best. We flew 2 hours after his oath. Anyway, all was fine leaving the country and then we made an appointment with the local US consulate when we got there. We went in and told them about our emergency, brought the death certificate although that was not required, and they were able to issue an emergency limited use passport for him. We then updated the airlines and used it to go through US immigration on the way back. There were some extra questions about why we didn't get it before we left, but ultimately they were understanding and it was all fine. 
 
When we got back, he filed to convert it to a 10 year passport and there were no issues with doing that. I just wanted to post this in case anyone else has an equally horribly timed emergency. 

Yes, this was for the I751 interview with the two of us and she wanted to see recent photos. She had all our paperwork and evidence like the bank accounts and mortgage and earlier photos, but the officer wanted to confirm an ongoing relationship. It had been 2 years since those documents had been sent in. I happened to have some recent ones printed that were acceptable, so she didn't need to see my phone in the end. Probably best to bring a few recent ones along. They might not ask and we may have passed the I751 without it, but better safe than sorry. 

I wasn't sure where to post it where it'd be the most use to people, so I'm putting it here. 
 
We had a very stressful situation for my husband's oath ceremony. His oath was at the end of August. That week, his mother fell gravely ill and it was necessary for us to book a flight to the UK as soon as we could, which was basically immediately after his oath. We may hold the record for quickest departure from the US after an oath ceremony. Anyway, I knew you aren't meant to travel outside the US without a US passport, but we were left with little choice. There wasn't even time to get an emergency one at a passport center before we left, which I've heard can be processed anywhere from 12 hours to 2-3 days at best. We flew 2 hours after his oath. Anyway, all was fine leaving the country and then we made an appointment with the local US consulate when we got there. We went in and told them about our emergency, brought the death certificate although that was not required, and they were able to issue an emergency limited use passport for him. We then updated the airlines and used it to go through US immigration on the way back. There were some extra questions about why we didn't get it before we left, but ultimately they were understanding and it was all fine. 
 
When we got back, he filed to convert it to a 10 year passport and there were no issues with doing that. I just wanted to post this in case anyone else has an equally horribly timed emergency. 

Apart from us, I've seen a couple instances now of people being told they can't get their I751's done at the same time as the N400. It's frustrating because it seems to very much depend on the officer and how you were scheduled....there's not a lot of consistent policy. I strongly suggest, if you are waiting on a pending I751, to go in for an Infopass and ask if the file is at the local office and if you are being scheduled. They lost ours in a drawer for 6 weeks, the computer meanwhile said it was in Missouri, and there was nothing that was going to trigger the I751 interview to be scheduled. If you don't hear soon, go in and advocate for yourself as much as you can because that's really the only thing that caused progress on our case. Sorry that happened to you! 

I wasn't sure where to post it where it'd be the most use to people, so I'm putting it here. 
 
We had a very stressful situation for my husband's oath ceremony. His oath was at the end of August. That week, his mother fell gravely ill and it was necessary for us to book a flight to the UK as soon as we could, which was basically immediately after his oath. We may hold the record for quickest departure from the US after an oath ceremony. Anyway, I knew you aren't meant to travel outside the US without a US passport, but we were left with little choice. There wasn't even time to get an emergency one at a passport center before we left, which I've heard can be processed anywhere from 12 hours to 2-3 days at best. We flew 2 hours after his oath. Anyway, all was fine leaving the country and then we made an appointment with the local US consulate when we got there. We went in and told them about our emergency, brought the death certificate although that was not required, and they were able to issue an emergency limited use passport for him. We then updated the airlines and used it to go through US immigration on the way back. There were some extra questions about why we didn't get it before we left, but ultimately they were understanding and it was all fine. 
 
When we got back, he filed to convert it to a 10 year passport and there were no issues with doing that. I just wanted to post this in case anyone else has an equally horribly timed emergency. 

I wasn't sure where to post it where it'd be the most use to people, so I'm putting it here. 
 
We had a very stressful situation for my husband's oath ceremony. His oath was at the end of August. That week, his mother fell gravely ill and it was necessary for us to book a flight to the UK as soon as we could, which was basically immediately after his oath. We may hold the record for quickest departure from the US after an oath ceremony. Anyway, I knew you aren't meant to travel outside the US without a US passport, but we were left with little choice. There wasn't even time to get an emergency one at a passport center before we left, which I've heard can be processed anywhere from 12 hours to 2-3 days at best. We flew 2 hours after his oath. Anyway, all was fine leaving the country and then we made an appointment with the local US consulate when we got there. We went in and told them about our emergency, brought the death certificate although that was not required, and they were able to issue an emergency limited use passport for him. We then updated the airlines and used it to go through US immigration on the way back. There were some extra questions about why we didn't get it before we left, but ultimately they were understanding and it was all fine. 
 
When we got back, he filed to convert it to a 10 year passport and there were no issues with doing that. I just wanted to post this in case anyone else has an equally horribly timed emergency. 

I wasn't sure where to post it where it'd be the most use to people, so I'm putting it here. 
 
We had a very stressful situation for my husband's oath ceremony. His oath was at the end of August. That week, his mother fell gravely ill and it was necessary for us to book a flight to the UK as soon as we could, which was basically immediately after his oath. We may hold the record for quickest departure from the US after an oath ceremony. Anyway, I knew you aren't meant to travel outside the US without a US passport, but we were left with little choice. There wasn't even time to get an emergency one at a passport center before we left, which I've heard can be processed anywhere from 12 hours to 2-3 days at best. We flew 2 hours after his oath. Anyway, all was fine leaving the country and then we made an appointment with the local US consulate when we got there. We went in and told them about our emergency, brought the death certificate although that was not required, and they were able to issue an emergency limited use passport for him. We then updated the airlines and used it to go through US immigration on the way back. There were some extra questions about why we didn't get it before we left, but ultimately they were understanding and it was all fine. 
 
When we got back, he filed to convert it to a 10 year passport and there were no issues with doing that. I just wanted to post this in case anyone else has an equally horribly timed emergency. 

I wasn't sure where to post it where it'd be the most use to people, so I'm putting it here. 
 
We had a very stressful situation for my husband's oath ceremony. His oath was at the end of August. That week, his mother fell gravely ill and it was necessary for us to book a flight to the UK as soon as we could, which was basically immediately after his oath. We may hold the record for quickest departure from the US after an oath ceremony. Anyway, I knew you aren't meant to travel outside the US without a US passport, but we were left with little choice. There wasn't even time to get an emergency one at a passport center before we left, which I've heard can be processed anywhere from 12 hours to 2-3 days at best. We flew 2 hours after his oath. Anyway, all was fine leaving the country and then we made an appointment with the local US consulate when we got there. We went in and told them about our emergency, brought the death certificate although that was not required, and they were able to issue an emergency limited use passport for him. We then updated the airlines and used it to go through US immigration on the way back. There were some extra questions about why we didn't get it before we left, but ultimately they were understanding and it was all fine. 
 
When we got back, he filed to convert it to a 10 year passport and there were no issues with doing that. I just wanted to post this in case anyone else has an equally horribly timed emergency. 

I wasn't sure where to post it where it'd be the most use to people, so I'm putting it here. 
 
We had a very stressful situation for my husband's oath ceremony. His oath was at the end of August. That week, his mother fell gravely ill and it was necessary for us to book a flight to the UK as soon as we could, which was basically immediately after his oath. We may hold the record for quickest departure from the US after an oath ceremony. Anyway, I knew you aren't meant to travel outside the US without a US passport, but we were left with little choice. There wasn't even time to get an emergency one at a passport center before we left, which I've heard can be processed anywhere from 12 hours to 2-3 days at best. We flew 2 hours after his oath. Anyway, all was fine leaving the country and then we made an appointment with the local US consulate when we got there. We went in and told them about our emergency, brought the death certificate although that was not required, and they were able to issue an emergency limited use passport for him. We then updated the airlines and used it to go through US immigration on the way back. There were some extra questions about why we didn't get it before we left, but ultimately they were understanding and it was all fine. 
 
When we got back, he filed to convert it to a 10 year passport and there were no issues with doing that. I just wanted to post this in case anyone else has an equally horribly timed emergency. 

Well think of it as they would... You're applying from a third party country, while traveling, and can work remotely... If you go to the US you can wok remotely still.. why return home afterwards? That's how they view it. Maybe it is "old fashioned" to some; but the CO's job is to think you aren't going to return and it's your duty to persuade them otherwise with evidence of strong ties to your home country. So applying while traveling and working remotely doesn't show very strong ties to me honestly. Nothing against you personally to them, that is just how they conduct their job. So your best bet again is simply whenever you get back to Poland, you can then try to apply again; but you may also have to now note to them that you had been refused a visa previously and try to explain it.

Kept tabs on this topic during the day and I'm glad to see it didn't disappoint, since I got through at least three bags of popcorn reading all this.
 
My two cents:
 
It's a basic tenet of law in America (and much of the western world) that you cannot punish someone in the future for actions that were legal and approved of in the past. Given that Obamacare subsidies, TANF/food stamps, even EIC on your income tax returns (yeah, they're going after this... seriously) have never been subject to public charge concerns, I don't think it's possible or probably even legal to retroactively punish those people by holding it against them today. Certainly, this administration can, by executive order alone, redefine 'public charge' so that from this point onwards those programs are included, but retroactively to the past? I doubt it. This would be one sure fire way to be able to challenge this policy in the courts.
 
A second way would be how they plan to consider family members' use of these programs, including US citizen relatives, for public charge considerations of the alien. It's yet another central tenet of law that you cannot punish person X for the actions of person Y. This might be an even stronger argument than the one above about how to challenge such a policy, if it were to be enacted.
 
Fortunately, since Drumpf and his administration are largely incompetent, and he has hacks and white-supremacist-adjacent-people like Stephen Miller coordinating policies like this, it's a virtual certainty that this would be challenged in court. At a minimum, it will be delayed for months, perhaps years, until the Supreme Court eventually rules on it. And by then, if sanity returns and a Democratic (big and small d) president is elected in 2020, they could render the whole thing moot by yet again redefining 'public charge' with the stroke of a pen on day 1.
 
And to re-iterate what was already said, these changes would apply to AoS and immigrant visas only, not naturalisation. To make them apply to naturalisation would require an act of Congress, and there is zero chance of anything like this getting through the Senate; no Democrat would vote for it. That's largely why Trump's trying to use his executive authority to make this change.
 
Additionally, this policy likely wouldn't apply to pending cases. It would instead take effect on some arbitrary date the administration would choose, and so any case filed on or after that date would be bound by these new rules, and cases filed or pending before that date would be bound by the existing rules.
 
It's just the latest example of anti-immigration policies and rhetoric espoused by Trump and his supporters. As I said, with someone like Stephen Miller at the helm, a man who would cut immigration to zero if it were possible, with the use of this chart as his second choice, it's going to be a constant rut of things like this churning through the news over and over and over again until Trump leaves office. Or is, ahem, made to leave office.

This is what was concerning me about it too. It's one thing to change what qualifies as a public charge and say "From X date on, you can't qualify for this benefit if you're an LPR" and people have time to adjust and still be ok, but if it's retroactive that could affect a lot of us. Hopefully that was a mistake. Having health insurance was a legal requirement for the last few years. 

This is what was concerning me about it too. It's one thing to change what qualifies as a public charge and say "From X date on, you can't qualify for this benefit if you're an LPR" and people have time to adjust and still be ok, but if it's retroactive that could affect a lot of us. Hopefully that was a mistake. Having health insurance was a legal requirement for the last few years. 

This is what was concerning me about it too. It's one thing to change what qualifies as a public charge and say "From X date on, you can't qualify for this benefit if you're an LPR" and people have time to adjust and still be ok, but if it's retroactive that could affect a lot of us. Hopefully that was a mistake. Having health insurance was a legal requirement for the last few years. 

I was also going to suggest a will. Plus, add each other as beneficiaries on anything you can - credit cards, bank accounts, and retirement accounts can designate beneficiaries if your partner is not already on the account. 

This is what was concerning me about it too. It's one thing to change what qualifies as a public charge and say "From X date on, you can't qualify for this benefit if you're an LPR" and people have time to adjust and still be ok, but if it's retroactive that could affect a lot of us. Hopefully that was a mistake. Having health insurance was a legal requirement for the last few years.