any help is needed for f1 visa re-entry question

[Jose1028 2]

1 hour ago, Allaboutwaiting said:

It was a snarky remark at your level of English. The person that posted cannot believe you have learnt so much in 9 months -called it miraculous- and thinks you do not need to come back to the US to learn more -actually thinks you're ready to teach English rather than learn it, given the command you've shown on your posts-.

 

Whoever commented is basically implying that you might want to come back to the US not necessarily to pursue a degree but to immigrate. 

thanks for explaining. i get it now. i think you judge me without knowing enough about me or my situation. i'm not trying to learn english in beginner level, i'm trying to make high scores in toelf because it is my condition. and it requires more(a lot more) than writing good english in this forum. i need it fast so i can start school. i asked for help for my case, but i think you assumed wrong about me. thank you anyway. and everyone tried to answer.

Edited April 10, 2023 by Jose1028

[Family 3,483]

1 hour ago, Allaboutwaiting said:

snarky

It was a sincere compliment of OP’s language skill…and a bit of shade to the many language universities on ICE radar ( many shut down others under investigation).  Perhaps testing again the scores would certainly exceed minimum…and help right the course for the degree program.

[Allaboutwaiting 2,500]

2 minutes ago, Family said:

It was a sincere compliment of OP’s language skill…and a bit of shade to the many language universities on ICE radar ( many shut down others under investigation).  Perhaps testing again the scores would certainly exceed minimum…and help right the course for the degree program.

Really? Not that I doubt what you're saying now but the use of the word "miraculous" sounded more like sarcasm to me. 

 

And if the master's degree is serious, it definitely requires a level beyond writing short paragraphs in a public forum.

[Jose1028 2]

7 minutes ago, Family said:

It was a sincere compliment of OP’s language skill…and a bit of shade to the many language universities on ICE radar ( many shut down others under investigation).  Perhaps testing again the scores would certainly exceed minimum…and help right the course for the degree program.

Thank you. i apologize family but i don't understand much from your comments. my language school is a good one, not fake. not sure why ICE would investigate them.

and i really attended the school and i plan to go back.

 

sorry again if i misunderstand but i think you approve that i should have no problem with entering back with valid F1 from school A, and valid I20 from school B.

[Jose1028 2]

6 minutes ago, Allaboutwaiting said:

Really? Not that I doubt what you're saying now but the use of the word "miraculous" sounded more like sarcasm to me. 

 

And if the master's degree is serious, it definitely requires a level beyond writing short paragraphs in a public forum.

my master school asked for high toefl degree and i didn't have. so they said i have to go to language school. their school and city was too expensive. i found a cheaper one in cheaper city. that is why i transfered.

after arriving usa with school A visa, i never attended it/started but i transferred within a week to another language school. i checked with school officials to make sure transfer was legal and fine and everyone said they did it right. this is really the whole story of my past. i am 33 year old male from spain. i had to go back to spain after studying 9 months because of family loss.

 

now i have my I20 from school B(LANGUAGE SCHOOL) and F1 visa(from first school), my question was to learn if i can re-enter without issues.

 

thanks again.

[Family 3,483]

23 minutes ago, Jose1028 said:

my master school asked for high toefl degree and i didn't have. so they said i have to go to language school. their school and city was too expensive. i found a cheaper one in cheaper city. that is why i transfered.

after arriving usa with school A visa, i never attended it/started but i transferred within a week

You were well prepared to execute a transfer and on the surface it all looks good.

Try not to keep your answers very brief if you are  ever questioned  on reason .

https://studyinthestates.dhs.gov/students/instructions-for-transferring-to-another-school-as-an-f-1-student

If you have arrived in the United States but want to transfer to a new school before you begin classes at the school listed on your Form I-20, talk to the DSO at the school listed on that form

[Kanja 201]

It seems like you followed everything by the book, I think you will be fine. I know people on your situation whose end goal was to immigrate and did not return home for the death of loved ones for fear of not being admitted back in. Something tells me you are genuine in seeking out your education. I hope you do well on your TOEFL. 

[jan22 2,898]

How long will you have been outside the US when you try to re-enter?

[Jose1028 2]

1 hour ago, Kanja said:

It seems like you followed everything by the book, I think you will be fine. I know people on your situation whose end goal was to immigrate and did not return home for the death of loved ones for fear of not being admitted back in. Something tells me you are genuine in seeking out your education. I hope you do well on your TOEFL. 

thank you. i believe i followed everything but i'm just worried i might not be aware of some rule or somehting. thats why i wanted to have reassurance. 

i just took 2 months of vacation and now i want to complete what i started. i just don't want to have issues at the airport after buying plane tickets.

20 minutes ago, jan22 said:

How long will you have been outside the US when you try to re-enter?

only 2 months. i think there is a 5 month rule, is this why you asked? please let me know your thoughts and thank you

[Rocio0010 5,565]

Hi there,

First of all, I am not suggesting that you are lying, but your English is pretty decent. In fact, you are able to use the past tense and connectors, and you can also get your message across. I was also an F1 student, had to take TOEFL many times and I can tell you that it is not really hard to get a high score. 

Also, I am sorry that you had to go back home, but taking that leave of absence put a stain on an already jacked up case. I always tell F1 students that if they need to go back home for a while, and ran out of money, get a loan but get your butt back here in time. And also, if you can't afford a one- way return ticket, how are you going to afford living here as a student? If when you get a stipend, the US is expensive.

 

I ask these questions not to be nosy, but because I have been around here long enough to know that these are the facts that DHS and USCIS will question too. Be prepared.

If you don't mind me asking, what school are we talking about? Usually if a school has accepted you, and you don't get a high enough score in the TOEFL, then they place you on a non- credit English class WITHIN THE SAME SCHOOL. This is key, because any reputable school with an International Student Office knows that transferring an international student to another school is not something to be taken lightly. In fact, while I was an international student, I had two neighbor friends in this exact same situation, and they were asked to take English classes within the school for a semester. 

DHS does not like it a lot when students transfer to an English school because some of them have been part of a scam. 

I am usually the first one to say if you can DIY a case, but not these type of cases. Even if CBP lets you in, this will for sure have an impact on any other immigration benefit you might want to apply in the future. Proceed with caution.

[Rocio0010 5,565]

1 hour ago, Kanja said:

by the book

Technically, yes. However, not being able to afford a one- way plane ticket to the US contradicts the idea that, as an F1 student, one is able to support oneself.

 

1 hour ago, Kanja said:

end goal was to immigrate

Then they committed fraud because an F1 is a non- immigrant visa. Therefore, they should not be taken as an example.

[Kanja 201]

10 minutes ago, Rocio0010 said:

Technically, yes. However, not being able to afford a one- way plane ticket to the US contradicts the idea that, as an F1 student, one is able to support oneself.

 

Then they committed fraud because an F1 is a non- immigrant visa. Therefore, they should not be taken as an example.

Maybe I misunderstood them. I thought they said now he is all set financially.

 

I wasn’t using them as an example. I was saying he is doing the opposite of them so it does not appear he has any attempt to commit fraud. Hence why I said he seems genuine. 

[Kanja 201]

16 minutes ago, Rocio0010 said:

Hi there,

First of all, I am not suggesting that you are lying, but your English is pretty decent. In fact, you are able to use the past tense and connectors, and you can also get your message across. I was also an F1 student, had to take TOEFL many times and I can tell you that it is not really hard to get a high score. 

Also, I am sorry that you had to go back home, but taking that leave of absence put a stain on an already jacked up case. I always tell F1 students that if they need to go back home for a while, and ran out of money, get a loan but get your butt back here in time. And also, if you can't afford a one- way return ticket, how are you going to afford living here as a student? If when you get a stipend, the US is expensive.

 

I ask these questions not to be nosy, but because I have been around here long enough to know that these are the facts that DHS and USCIS will question too. Be prepared.

If you don't mind me asking, what school are we talking about? Usually if a school has accepted you, and you don't get a high enough score in the TOEFL, then they place you on a non- credit English class WITHIN THE SAME SCHOOL. This is key, because any reputable school with an International Student Office knows that transferring an international student to another school is not something to be taken lightly. In fact, while I was an international student, I had two neighbor friends in this exact same situation, and they were asked to take English classes within the school for a semester. 

DHS does not like it a lot when students transfer to an English school because some of them have been part of a scam. 

I am usually the first one to say if you can DIY a case, but not these type of cases. Even if CBP lets you in, this will for sure have an impact on any other immigration benefit you might want to apply in the future. Proceed with caution.

I have a question. For the OP to have transferred doesn’t that school have to have a SEVIS number? If the school ends up being part of a scam or some sort of ring that seems like a DHS problem (or whoever certified the school), not the OP. As long as the school is credentialed and valid it shouldn’t matter, there is a database that indicates which schools are valid/credentialed and which are not. I’m really interested in this because it has come up before and I’ve read of a story of a bunch of international students that were deported/prosecuted for attending a fraudulent English school. Some Of them did indeed know it was fraudulent and used it as a means to come in the country, but it appeared some had no idea and were showing up to campus everyday with a backpack to meet no teachers or classrooms. Just seems unfair if the onus is on the F1 visa holder to determine if the school is legitimate or not (sorry I went on a tangent but seems like you have experience so wanted your thoughts). 
 

also , scoring high in an exam is subjective to the person taking it. It may have been easy for you but some folks are just not good test takers (which is why I’m so against standardized exams). OP was clearly in the classes for some time so maybe their English has improved significantly. Seems like too much emphasis (not from you specifically) is being placed on his English with responders trying to evaluate his command of the English language and not actually answer his question.  

[Rocio0010 5,565]

3 minutes ago, Kanja said:

some had no idea and were showing up to campus everyday with a backpack to meet no teachers or classrooms. Just seems unfair if the onus is on the F1 visa holder to determine if the school is legitimate or not (sorry I went on a tangent but seems like you have experience so wanted your thoughts). 

I agree with the unfairness of the situation. However, I still have to see one of those students getting an immigration benefit and proving they were unaware of the scam. How do you prove a negative?

 

5 minutes ago, Kanja said:

scoring high in an exam is subjective to the person taking it.

There is a cutting score for the TOEFL exam, so no, there is no subjectivity in this case. And I do agree, I dislike standards test, and I am a teacher

[Nat&Amy 623]

24 minutes ago, Rocio0010 said:

also, if you can't afford a one- way return ticket, how are you going to afford living here as a student? If when you get a stipend, the US is expensive

I really hope OP wasn't working in the US while studying. I also agree with what you said about how bad it looks to transfer from a Master's to an English school, especially when we know of all the visa mills out there. I should know, because I was invited to work for one and it's really quite the scheme...

 

OP, nothing to do but try. Just remember: whatever CBP asks you, answer truthfully. Do not volunteer information, be clear and concise. I imagine you have a deadline to start your Master's? A conditional offer doesn't usually last forever.