i think i royally messed up

[Katiejon 17]

am I supposed to choose an agent when i click on any link for that i just get told to do a DS160 we did the DS160 then my fiance confirmed his interview date for November 13th but he didnt get any prompts to pay for the interview while confirming the dates. he hasnt been given a link to pay for anything. he's redoing the DS160 right now.

[geowrian 22,335]

26 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

Because you need as much red tape and inefficiency as possible, that's why. Can you imagine the government making this process simpler and faster?

Pretty much everything they do is either dictated by law or because of an issue that has occurred in the past. The process is mostly a human one as each case is quite unique, and as such there are lots of checks so that one individual isn't responsible for everything as people make mistakes. Having the multiple checks and cross-checks helps minimize those.

 

But yes, they move very slowly and have little incentive to go faster or modernize their systems. The modernization alone would likely significantly improve processing timelines and reduce errors. They don't have customers or clients that they need to make happy, so there is little incentive to improve that experience. You would need a good chunk or majority of people to want the change to make the immigration process easier/better, and that's simply not realistic. Most people don't care about the details as it doesn't impact them. Many even don't want to make the process easier for new immigrants.

 

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Personally, I don't understand why the process of issuing visas is not handled by embassies entirely, there's the occasional DCF but it's too rare. But I'm the one creating the system, so what can I say? 

Consolidation of resources. While NVC may seem slow (and well...is), I would confidently bet they process each case faster than the individual embassies & consulates can. They have more people, a dictated process, a dedicated support line (even if the information provided is unreliable...that wouldn't be likely to change at the embassy) etc. If the individual posts had to handle it, it would take longer overall. And DCF cases would take as long as everybody else. There would be even more considerable discrepancies in processing times by country (smaller consulates, cases where there are political issues like having workers expelled, etc.).

 

For instance, Russian immigrants wait for NVC and then wait a while for an interview because the number of workers available has dropped. This would exacerbate the problem if they had to handle the work that NVC currently does. It's not just a matter of hiring more workers...they may not be able to do so. But they can have as many as they deem necessary at NVC.

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[Mozam 147]

18 hours ago, payxibka said:

Well they must sit on those hands then for a period of time

TRUUUUU

[Orangesapples 1,954]

27 minutes ago, geowrian said:

Pretty much everything they do is either dictated by law or because of an issue that has occurred in the past. The process is mostly a human one as each case is quite unique, and as such there are lots of checks so that one individual isn't responsible for everything as people make mistakes. Having the multiple checks and cross-checks helps minimize those.

 

But yes, they move very slowly and have little incentive to go faster or modernize their systems. The modernization alone would likely significantly improve processing timelines and reduce errors. They don't have customers or clients that they need to make happy, so there is little incentive to improve that experience. You would need a good chunk or majority of people to want the change to make the immigration process easier/better, and that's simply not realistic. Most people don't care about the details as it doesn't impact them. Many even don't want to make the process easier for new immigrants.

 

Consolidation of resources. While NVC may seem slow (and well...is), I would confidently bet they process each case faster than the individual embassies & consulates can. They have more people, a dictated process, a dedicated support line (even if the information provided is unreliable...that wouldn't be likely to change at the embassy) etc. If the individual posts had to handle it, it would take longer overall. And DCF cases would take as long as everybody else. There would be even more considerable discrepancies in processing times by country (smaller consulates, cases where there are political issues like having workers expelled, etc.).

 

For instance, Russian immigrants wait for NVC and then wait a while for an interview because the number of workers available has dropped. This would exacerbate the problem if they had to handle the work that NVC currently does. It's not just a matter of hiring more workers...they may not be able to do so. But they can have as many as they deem necessary at NVC.

I know it's not simple and I don't expect anything to get better. I just think the process was not well thought out from the beginning and it's very inefficient with so many government agencies handling it. But it is what it is. 

[David & Diana R 1,005]

17 hours ago, Alekezam said:

Believe it or not the NVC can jack with the process too. 

 

They aren't purely a middleman that does nothing but hand it off. 

 

If that were the case then why even exist. 

 

Like payxibka said, they sit on those hands for a hell of a long time if they are doing nothing but passing the buck. 

 

I can't say for sure what they do but if I were to guess, the whole notion of "Administrative Processing" they always fall back on when people call to ask about the status of their case is them spot checking the package for any excuse to either sit on it longer or send it back to the USCIS. Because hey! Why not throw out the power trip and show everyone they can jack with you if they want with no repercussion.

I really doubt that.  It would cause them more work to do this.  They would have to visit and then again revisit the case.  Make no sense.  Why do so many people think that all the government workers are evil, plotting, spiteful persons?  I think they are doing an excellent job with their limited number of employees and the staggering amount of cases they must go through.

[Orangesapples 1,954]

Just now, David & Zoila said:

I really doubt that.  It would cause them more work to do this.  They would have to visit and then again revisit the case.  Make no sense.  Why do so many people think that all the government workers are evil, plotting, spiteful persons?  I think they are doing an excellent job with their limited number of employees and the staggering amount of cases they must go through.

I agree that most government workers are just doing their jobs, it's the system that's inefficient and wasteful. 

[Alekezam 161]

2 minutes ago, David & Zoila said:

I really doubt that.  It would cause them more work to do this.  They would have to visit and then again revisit the case.  Make no sense.  Why do so many people think that all the government workers are evil, plotting, spiteful persons?  I think they are doing an excellent job with their limited number of employees and the staggering amount of cases they must go through.

Read the post I made just after the one you quoted me on where I actually called the NVC to confirm my suspicion. 

 

I think the key factor to all of this nonsense is the fact that government employees are not incentivized (not sure that word officially even exists but you know what I mean) to do anything beyond their given job function. 

 

I agree though, can't blame them for it all but I can say this. If you had a mishap like the one I or many have experienced due to something that was not our fault then you would be somewhat negatively biased too. (You'll have to read up on some of my past posts to see what happened to our case that set us back an extra 5 months for nothing). 

 

Not here to argue, just giving you the background behind why I might sound a little frustrated with it all. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NikLR 13,220]

4 hours ago, Alekezam said:

I just called the NVC to ask out of curiosity and they told me they do look at the case to make sure everything is in order. If they find something they deem to be wrong with the case they will send it back to the USCIS (whatever that means). I suppose there has to be layers upon layers of checking what's already been checked.....sigh. That's on top of them creating a case number and inputting the case into their system. 

 

Just another step in the process that could potentially result in a delay. 

 

I'm with you on that they should do nothing but just send it off but we all know nothing is ever that simple when dealing with a government entity. 

 

I mean honestly, why add another step to the process if all they're going to do is drop it right back in the mail? 

 

 

 

 

Of course they make sure its all there before sending it off.  I thought that was a given.  If its not then the USCIS caused the delay by not sending a complete file. 

[Greenbaum 12,258]

Not to long ago someone had serious conversation with an agent with NVC and this is what he found out concerning additional checks at NVC and if they do in fact return cases back to USCIS and why.

 

When they [NVC] receive the approved I-129f from USCIS, they check to ensure that it’s been stamped. NVC occasionally will receive a petition from USCIS and it does not have the appropriate approval stamp in the upper left-hand corner. They are also checking to make sure that the three criminal questions have been answered. He noted that there are times when the petitioner will forget to complete those questions and those questions are subsequently missed by the adjudicator.  In both of these instances the case will then be sent back to USCIS. If one of these things occur with a case file recently received from USCIS, NVC would know within the first week of receiving the case and will take action.