Senate Health Care Bill Includes Deep Cuts to Medicaid

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 minute ago, Teddy B said:

They're struggling as it is, just look at the shoddy paint job on open arms Jesus.

I think we can both agree that some "churches" go above and beyond what they should in trying to make their churches opulent. Even some of the Pastors/Reverends go above and beyond what they should to take from the church to provide for themselves a life of luxury. I really can't stand churches like that at all because I grew up in a medium sized church in NC where my family has been going for over 150 years, we always tried to give back to the community but seeing these large opulent churches is offensive to me sorry. 

Just now, Teddy B said:

Most businesses that do not turn a profit pay little to no taxes, so that would apply to these struggling churches as well. That's not really an issue.

That's why I said a small tax. 

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, Teddy B said:

Most businesses that do not turn a profit pay little to no taxes, so that would apply to these struggling churches as well. That's not really an issue.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

2 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

I don't agree with this totally but it would have a very significant affect to it. 

[Teddy B 17,252]

2 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

I think we can both agree that some "churches" go above and beyond what they should in trying to make their churches opulent. Even some of the Pastors/Reverends go above and beyond what they should to take from the church to provide for themselves a life of luxury. I really can't stand churches like that at all because I grew up in a medium sized church in NC where my family has been going for over 150 years, we always tried to give back to the community but seeing these large opulent churches is offensive to me sorry. 

That's why I said a small tax. 

I grew up in the Catholic church which is the perfect example of gluttony, pretty ironic that it's one of the 7 deadly sins. I am an atheist now and have been for over 30 years.

 

[Dashinka 25,891]

30 minutes ago, Teddy B said:

Why should religious institutions be taxed at a lower rate than any other business?

I think it might be due to a little thing called the First Amendment.

[smilesammich 10,727]

5 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

I don't agree with this totally but it would have a very significant affect to it. 

what's not to agree with?

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

3 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

what's not to agree with?

What is the tax rate for that comparison? Also I don't think you would get that much into the coffers, maybe half that. 

[CaliCat 3,957]

52 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Because they are religious. I think that would be a much better compromise than they pay no taxes at all.

 

Edit: Also if they were taxed just like businesses than a fair number of the small churches that I see down south would become no more. 

 

That means they're running a failed business model.

22 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I think it might be due to a little thing called the First Amendment.

 

Why? Does it say that churches should enjoy tax-free exemptions? In fact, the first amendment doesn't even contain the word "church."

Edited June 23, 2017 by CaliCat

[smilesammich 10,727]

35 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

What is the tax rate for that comparison? Also I don't think you would get that much into the coffers, maybe half that. 

i wouldn't be against churches of a certain size being exempt from taxes. i honestly don't think it's necessary to tax the vast majority of churches in my area. most are small, have been in the same tiny chapel since forever, have been facing dwindling numbers for years, and do provide services to their elderly members especially. i draw the line with mega churches though. there should be a certain threshold of income that catapults a religious institution into the business realm. if a church is affording a pastor a six figure salary, for example..

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20 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

That means they're running a failed business model.

 

Why? Does it say that churches should enjoy tax-free exemptions? In fact, the first amendment doesn't even contain the word "church."

I think you know what it says, but in short taxing a church/religion would impose government control on a religion and curtail the free exercise of religion.  Last I checked, churches, mosques, temples, synagogues, etc. are embodiments of religion.

[smilesammich 10,727]

4 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I think you know what it says, but in short taxing a church/religion would impose government control on a religion and curtail the free exercise of religion.  Last I checked, churches, mosques, temples, synagogues, etc. are embodiments of religion.

it's really not that simple..

 

http://churchesandtaxes.procon.org/

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10 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i wouldn't be against churches of a certain size being exempt from taxes. i honestly don't think it's necessary to tax the vast majority of churches in my area. most are small, have been in the same tiny chapel since forever, have been facing dwindling numbers for years, and do provide services to their elderly members especially. i draw the line with mega churches though. there should be a certain threshold of income that catapults a religious institution into the business realm. if a church is affording a pastor a six figure salary, for example..

+100 Reps

 

I couldn't agree with you more on this. This guy right here infuriates the ####### out of me. This kind of pastor and churches is the sole reason why I think making a church pay a tax would be a good thing. 

 

Dollar claims the private jet allows him to “safely and swiftly share the Good News of the Gospel worldwide” in a way that commercial aircrafts no doubt just couldn’t.

“The mission of Project G650 is to acquire a Gulfstream G650 airplane so that Pastors Creflo and Taffi (his wife) and World Changers Church International can continue to blanket the globe with the Gospel of grace,” Dollar’s website said. “We are believing for 200,000 people to give contributions of 300 US dollars or more to turn this dream into a reality—and allow us to retire the aircraft that served us well for many years.

 

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/jesus-wants-me-to-have-this-jet

Edited June 23, 2017 by cyberfx1024

[CaliCat 3,957]

2 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I think you know what it says, but in short taxing a church/religion would impose government control on a religion and curtail the free exercise of religion.  Last I checked, churches, mosques, temples, synagogues, etc. are embodiments of religion.

 

Taxing churches does not curtail free exercise of religion. People are still free to worship and practice their chosen religion. You could also argue that taxing business or individuals curtail their pursuit of happiness.

 

I see the argument you're making, and I understand it, but seriously, when you think of it, a church is not a requirement for the free practice of religion. 

[smilesammich 10,727]

6 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

+100 Reps

 

I couldn't agree with you more on this. This guy right here infuriates the ####### out of me. 

 

Dollar claims the private jet allows him to “safely and swiftly share the Good News of the Gospel worldwide” in a way that commercial aircrafts no doubt just couldn’t.

“The mission of Project G650 is to acquire a Gulfstream G650 airplane so that Pastors Creflo and Taffi (his wife) and World Changers Church International can continue to blanket the globe with the Gospel of grace,” Dollar’s website said. “We are believing for 200,000 people to give contributions of 300 US dollars or more to turn this dream into a reality—and allow us to retire the aircraft that served us well for many years.

 

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/jesus-wants-me-to-have-this-jet

if god wants you to have a boat, claim that boat for jesus! if you want that brand new mansion on the hill - claim it for jesus!

i feel you, i honestly don't know how this type of christianity reconciles with the christian values that i was raised with..but i used to watch this guy mike murdock and he is one of the worst.."i need 70 people to sow a 1,000 seed!"

 

Edited June 23, 2017 by smilesammich

[IAMX 3,055]

1 hour ago, cyberfx1024 said:

I am all about getting government out of my life and I mean all of my life. That means don't dictate to anyone anything about healthcare or what to do with their bodies, and don't use tax money for planned parenthood. If you want a abortion then pay for it yourself, I don't have a problem with that at all. Unless it is medically necessary for the woman to survive or due to rape/incest, then by all means the state should pay.

 

I support health insurance that DOES cover contraceptives and my wife has used it before. It was actually nice going to pick up the bc pills and not having to pay for them at all. 

 

 

It's not enough for the left to have the freedom of abortion, gotta make taxpayers fund their abortions too. Pathetic people.

Edited June 23, 2017 by IAMX