This wait is frustrating....ROC

[shell20 746]

45 minutes ago, f f said:

what is the big deal with having to wait for roc. you are a lpr before and a lpr after. you don't actually gain anything from it so there is no need to actually finish them. the people who are waiting for aos, citizenship, or even just to be able to come to this country have tons more to gain than someone who is waiting for roc to be finished. I am in the middle of the roc process so I am well aware of how long it takes. so please take a step back and realize you are already here and have your greencard and just deal with the waiting. uscis does not exist to just deal with only your issues and when they get strained for resources they will deprioritize petitions which such as roc that do not change a person's status so they can work on bringing family members to the us, granting them lpr status and even citizenship.

You know its always not that simple, each case is different. I don't have a GC although I am doing ROC, Some idiot stole my purse/wallet and took everything. Now Im stuck in a country with no card and if I apply for a stolen card it cancels itself out, not that I can keep affording the ridiculous amounts of money for lost/stolen cards, transportation letters etc.  I cant even apply for a driving licence, so not everyone is the same!  I think that the OP has every right to be a bit fed up, I personally think a year is a long wait ROC or no ROC, especially when the fees go up on a regular basis.   That's my opinion.  I also respect your opinion although I don't whole heartedly  agree with it!

Edited May 2, 2017 by shell20

[mindthegap 2,537]

10 minutes ago, f f said:

what is the big deal with having to wait for roc. you are a lpr before and a lpr after. 

 Most people going through the process know that. It does, however get tiresome having to yet again go to the DMV for another license renewal- because they will only issue you with a year at a time, or going to secondary every time re-entering the US to verify the stamp and your status, or having to explain the intricacies of the whole process when having to prove your lawful status for most reasons, causing puzzled looks wondering why you don't just show your geeen card, or why your license says 'Temp. Visitor - expires xx/xx/2017' despite you supposedly being a LPR.

 

15 minutes ago, f f said:

you don't actually gain anything from it so there is no need to actually finish them.  

See above. You gain freedom from the hassle, a single card as proof of status, and little things like the ability to have a single driving license and not set foot in a DMV for another five years (I've had 5 licenses in four years).

 

17 minutes ago, f f said:

the people who are waiting for aos, citizenship, or even just to be able to come to this country have tons more to gain than someone who is waiting for roc to be finished. 

 

AOS people are prospective immigrants and do not have the same rights and responsibilities that LPRs have jumped through previous hoops to obtain.

I do find it strange that the process of getting the immigrant visa in the first place (in my case just over four months) is quicker than the process of removing conditions.

 

24 minutes ago, f f said:

I am in the middle of the roc process so I am well aware of how long it takes. so please take a step back and realize you are already here and have your greencard and just deal with the waiting.  

 

Have you had to put aspects of your life on hold?

 Unable to schedule anything significant - business or personal - in case an interview letter drops in the mailbox giving four days notice of appearance, or worse that doesn't arrive at all when out of the country meaning status could be terminated while away? Unable to visit sick relatives overseas due to the above?

Unable to renew global entry or pre-check (both necessary for business travel reasons) until this is done? Unable to obtain a car lease or mortgage because you can't demonstrate your permanent residency - having only the validity of the stamp as temporary proof?Having trouble proving to HR your legal status? 

 

If you have experienced none of these then congratulations, but many people have. 

 

32 minutes ago, f f said:

uscis does not exist to just deal with only your issues and when they get strained for resources they will deprioritize petitions which such as roc that do not change a person's status so they can work on bringing family members to the us, granting them lpr status and even citizenship.

Well yeah they kinda do- clue is on the name. We have paid for a service- what is a significant cost for many people - that is supposed to take less than a year. I personally gave it a year before following anything up, to then find out something had gone wrong, which still hasn't been explained, clarified or rectified. I would have no issue with this process whatsoever if it wasn't causing many of the problems listed above  for many people - myself included. 

 

They have been strained for a long while - this is nothing new.

 

 

I wish you well in your ROC journey. 

Perhaps if you get to the one or two year mark you can return to share how relaxed you still are and how the process is still causing you no adverse issues in your day to day life?

 

[charmander 692]

44 minutes ago, f f said:

what is the big deal with having to wait for roc. you are a lpr before and a lpr after. you don't actually gain anything from it so there is no need to actually finish them. the people who are waiting for aos, citizenship, or even just to be able to come to this country have tons more to gain than someone who is waiting for roc to be finished. I am in the middle of the roc process so I am well aware of how long it takes. so please take a step back and realize you are already here and have your greencard and just deal with the waiting. uscis does not exist to just deal with only your issues and when they get strained for resources they will deprioritize petitions which such as roc that do not change a person's status so they can work on bringing family members to the us, granting them lpr status and even citizenship.

No big deal if everyone gets the same treatment but it gets annoying and frustrating when you see people who filed much later than you got adjudicated much sooner or half the country get served much faster just because they happen to live in CSC jurisdiction. Maybe if USCIS was little more transparent on how they prioritize things, or they could explain how an July filer gets approved before a May filer, it could have been easier on people. Beyond that having to deal with DMV, employment related issues, dealing with HR personnel who has no idea what a I-751 is, having to deal with infopass just because the service center is too slow, CBP related issues, some idiot mortgage underwriter asking for I-551 stamp, even though pretty much everyone gets approved knowing that there is a pending petition and lots of "what if I get denied" thinking, etc etc. I think these are some of the most common questions that are being asked on this forum every day and it is just no fun.

 

 

 

 

 

[Ketsuban 1,034]

3 hours ago, f f said:

the people who are waiting for aos, citizenship, or even just to be able to come to this country have tons more to gain than someone who is waiting for roc to be finished.

You do realise without ROC, they cannot gain citizenship. So imagine for one second this debacle goes on for a few more years and during that entire time, they're unable to get citizenship because their ROC has been pending for an inordinately long time. When do you suggest they start getting upset? After 5 years maybe?

[f f 725]

5 years would be reasonable to get upset. btw applying for  citizenship does compel uscis to finish the roc. and since not all lpr want citizenship or are still married and thus able to apply it does reduce the load by not finishing up roc before they are able to apply for citizenship. 

 

and how is the hassle of having to renew your drivers license or explain to hr the law even on the same scale of a person not being able to have thier children or spouses live with them?

 

and shell20 the i751 extention letter serves as your proof of residency so you do not need to file the i90. read the what is the purpose of the i90 in the i90 instructions.

[Scandi 3,971]

3 hours ago, mindthegap said:

 

AOS people are prospective immigrants and do not have the same rights and responsibilities that LPRs have jumped through previous hoops to obtain.

I do find it strange that the process of getting the immigrant visa in the first place (in my case just over four months) is quicker than the process of removing conditions.

AOS should go even faster tbh as we don't have any status at all in this country. We don't get that awesome stamp in the passport that you're complaining about. Being here with no real status is the worst, I'd take your ROC wait over my AOS wait any day of the week if I could.

[Eliis 8]

8 hours ago, mindthegap said:

I haven't heard from them either!

Why don't you contact them again (Ombudsman) as well as Congressman? You could also file N-400? Why didn't you do that? Sorry for questions, I don't want to sound rude, I am just curious.

Edited May 3, 2017 by Eliis

[Cybery 1]

Hello I am joining the party of "the waiting game".It has been 22 months for me.

 

Went to Info Pass last week they told me since I am moving to another state they have to transfer my case and it will add additional 5 months of my wait.

 

Unless the officer that has my case makes decision in next 4 weeks.Hoping for it but unlikely I bet he/she ll jump from happiness we are moving so he can just ship it off to FL and hey less work for him/her haha

 

So yea ill be on this journey for a while.

 

This forum is lika a therapy.Thank you.I know it sucks for all of us who have been waiting but makes me feel better I am not the only one.

[ntcb 1]

3 hours ago, Cybery said:

Hello I am joining the party of "the waiting game".It has been 22 months for me.

 

Went to Info Pass last week they told me since I am moving to another state they have to transfer my case and it will add additional 5 months of my wait.

 

Unless the officer that has my case makes decision in next 4 weeks.Hoping for it but unlikely I bet he/she ll jump from happiness we are moving so he can just ship it off to FL and hey less work for him/her haha

 

So yea ill be on this journey for a while.

 

This forum is lika a therapy.Thank you.I know it sucks for all of us who have been waiting but makes me feel better I am not the only one.

Sorry to hear that.... It's crazy

As the saying goes.."ONLY WHO FEELS IT, KNOWS IT"

[shell20 746]

 

5 years would be reasonable to get upset. btw applying for  citizenship does compel uscis to finish the roc. and since not all lpr want citizenship or are still married and thus able to apply it does reduce the load by not finishing up roc before they are able to apply for citizenship. 

 

and how is the hassle of having to renew your drivers license or explain to hr the law even on the same scale of a person not being able to have thier children or spouses live with them?

 

and shell20 the i751 extention letter serves as your proof of residency so you do not need to file the i90. read the what is the purpose of the i90 in the i90 instructions.

Not according to the Pittsburgh  field office if I want a stamp in my passport to travel and see my family.  Border control want to see an i55i stamp or out of date card and the same applies to the Pennsylvania driving centre we know that as we have already been there and were declined without the i55i stamp and Pittsburgh refuse to do that with out us applying for a replacement card. Perhaps you can tell the powers that be, as I want to do is travel and see my family and be able to drive.

Edited May 7, 2017 by shell20

[zuluweta 250]

On 5/1/2017 at 8:41 PM, mindthegap said:

Two years this week. 

 

 

May I ask why you haven't filed for citizenship?

[mindthegap 2,537]

Just now, zuluweta said:

May I ask why you haven't filed for citizenship?

Not eligible, for reasons for which have nothing to do with this delay.

Date I am eligible is marked on the calendar and paperwork will be in that day.

[zuluweta 250]

1 minute ago, mindthegap said:

Not eligible, for reasons for which have nothing to do with this delay.

Date I am eligible is marked on the calendar and paperwork will be in that day.

And when would that be, if I may so boldly ask?

[nightingalejules 678]

5 hours ago, shell20 said:

Not according to the Pittsburgh  field office if I want a stamp in my passport to travel and see my family.  Border control want to see an i55i stamp or out of date card and the same applies to the Pennsylvania driving centre we know that as we have already been there and were declined without the i55i stamp and Pittsburgh refuse to do that with out us applying for a replacement card. Perhaps you can tell the powers that be, as I want to do is travel and see my family and be able to drive.

That sucks! And yes, these sorts of things are exactly what makes this process so frustrating. USCIS believes that since we are never "out-of-status" they can make the I-751 the very last priority. However, their own information is so unclear that every individual field office seems to interpret the rules differently, never mind border control, DMVs and employers. 

If USCIS is going to continue taking this long to process applications (which I think is ridiculous, but it is what it is) then they need to be much more transparent about how it works, including making it easy for their own people and other government departments and employers and US, the actual applicants to clarify our status, travel, work, drive, and generally, continue to enjoy the rights we are entitled to as legal permanent residents.

I'm so sorry that you're going through this. So far, the processing hasn't affected me in any major way, since Oregon gave me a regular driving license and I'm self-employed so I don't have to prove my status to an employer. And I've arranged to do my travelling prior to the "grey area" between the date on my letter and the date on my green card.

But I'm as aware as anyone that if I needed to travel unexpectedly (for a family emergency, say), after mid-August, I might wind up in a situation where I am detained while I explain USCIS' policies to border security. This is unacceptable!

[shell20 746]

13 hours ago, nightingalejules said:

That sucks! And yes, these sorts of things are exactly what makes this process so frustrating. USCIS believes that since we are never "out-of-status" they can make the I-751 the very last priority. However, their own information is so unclear that every individual field office seems to interpret the rules differently, never mind border control, DMVs and employers. 

If USCIS is going to continue taking this long to process applications (which I think is ridiculous, but it is what it is) then they need to be much more transparent about how it works, including making it easy for their own people and other government departments and employers and US, the actual applicants to clarify our status, travel, work, drive, and generally, continue to enjoy the rights we are entitled to as legal permanent residents.

I'm so sorry that you're going through this. So far, the processing hasn't affected me in any major way, since Oregon gave me a regular driving license and I'm self-employed so I don't have to prove my status to an employer. And I've arranged to do my travelling prior to the "grey area" between the date on my letter and the date on my green card.

But I'm as aware as anyone that if I needed to travel unexpectedly (for a family emergency, say), after mid-August, I might wind up in a situation where I am detained while I explain USCIS' policies to border security. This is unacceptable!

Couldnt put it better myself!