Baltimore mayor vetoes $15 minimum wage bill

[OriZ 3,165]

1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

I believe I heard somewhere that McD's is considering delivery services (it does have a small trial program in Florida). Burger King and Panera also do delivery. A lot of chain restaurants are also doing online-ordering to-go menus, and Olive Garden has started a delivery service.

 

Here's the thing - I don't mind paying more for food if it's good quality. Paying for overpriced poor quality food is never good. I actually feel quite bad that food service staff of any type aren't paid more and they seem very miserable. I know the average person doesn't really care how workers are treated when they go to a drive-thru... they just want to get in and out (heck they don't even seem to care that whatever it is they are eating is disgusting byproducts barely passable for nourishment).

 

The state of MD does intend to raise the wage to $10.10 by next year. It is still possible her veto could be over-written. https://www.baltimorebrew.com/2017/03/24/pugh-to-veto-15-minimum-wage-bill-she-said-as-a-candidate-shed-sign/ 

BK, Panera and Olive Garden? Again, not in VT lol. We're lucky we even have an Olive Garden. I wish this state had a Cheesecake Factory though.Anytime my wife and I are in a different state with one that's one of our first places to stop for food. 

[smilesammich 10,727]

5 minutes ago, Dakine10 said:

 

   I agree, which is why I said it's sad that it has become normal to tolerate this. A side effect of abject partinsanism is lack of accountability. I'm not pretending to know what the minimum wage should be either, but it's weird to me to think that I was making more than the current minimum wage stocking store shelves when I was in high school. That was almost 30 years ago.

minimum wage has to be a living wage. it has nothing to with a particular position 'deserving' a certain dollar amount.

i was actually talking about this with my dad last weekend, he was saying he'd never been able to hold it together if he had to start over with today's minimum/gap.

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[Dashinka 26,025]

3 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

minimum wage has to be a living wage. it has nothing to with a particular position 'deserving' a certain dollar amount.

i was actually talking about this with my dad last weekend, he was saying he'd never been able to hold it together if he had to start over with today's minimum/gap.

So what would your father do?  I know what I did when I was making minimum wage, I improved myself, I went to school, I learned a technology.  The issue here is when government sets price or wage floors/ceilings, the economy is affected generally in a negative way.

[OriZ 3,165]

Minimum wage can never be a living wage via government dictation, because once you raise minimum wage, prices rise and viola now you've gotta raise it again to bring it to a living wage. It doesn't work, never did, never will.

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[IAMX 3,055]

17 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

minimum wage has to be a living wage. it has nothing to with a particular position 'deserving' a certain dollar amount.

i was actually talking about this with my dad last weekend, he was saying he'd never been able to hold it together if he had to start over with today's minimum/gap.

This is a new standard set by the left. I'm 34 but when I was a teenager in the 90s and working for AMC, Blockbuster, Target, etc., minimum wage was not a living wage, nor was it supposed to be. The left inserted their own definition of minimum wage to fit this socialist style of economics.

 

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3 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So what would your father do?  I know what I did when I was making minimum wage, I improved myself, I went to school, I learned a technology.  The issue here is when government sets price or wage floors/ceilings, the economy is affected generally in a negative way.

well, i think he was saying that being a hs graduate and raising three kids on his salary (my mom didn't work outside the home until all her kids were out of the house) he wouldn't have been able to 'hold it together' enough put in the years to get paid for his skill (he started working in his dad's print shop, never went to school for it), save enough to buy a house about 10 years later, and eventually be able to handle the medical bills that came about from having a child with a chronic illness.like my dad i stopped after hs and had no skills, all my economic value is essentially with how long i've worked at the same job and the skills i've developed through employment. it's taken me almost 15 years at the same job to get to a somewhat decent salary. and i still couldn't afford to be the sole bread winner and tack on two more kids (one with a expensive medical condition) and buy a house.

 

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3 minutes ago, SRVT said:

This is a new standard set by the left. I'm 34 but when I was a teenager in the 90s and working for AMC, Blockbuster, Target, etc., minimum wage was not a living wage, nor was it supposed to be. The left inserted their own definition of minimum wage to fit this socialist style of economics.

 

well that's why you can't use that argument of 'retail, fast food' arent meant to be 'real jobs'. that isn't the case anymore.

[IAMX 3,055]

2 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

well that's why you can't use that argument of 'retail, fast food' arent meant to be 'real jobs'. that isn't the case anymore.

Fast food has always been below unskilled labor in, say, manufacturing.. effectively bottom rung production jobs. Trying to turn a fry cook into a career job doesn't change what it is.. the jobs still have massive turnover rates, which the companies budget for. So trying to make it pay on the level of career type jobs for the unskilled class is flat out stupid and ignores the industry's standards. It's political ideology being injected into economics which is a pretty crappy deal for economics.

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1 minute ago, SRVT said:

Fast food has always been below unskilled labor in, say, manufacturing.. effectively bottom rung production jobs. Trying to turn a fry cook into a career job doesn't change what it is.. the jobs still have massive turnover rates, which the companies budget for. So trying to make it pay on the level of career type jobs for the unskilled class is flat out stupid and ignores the industry's standards. It's political ideology being injected into economics which is a pretty crappy deal for economics.

it isn't about a job being a career. people take the jobs that are available to them. mcdonalds wouldn't have to figure in for excessive turnover if they paid more and were able to be more selective in hiring.

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11 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

it isn't about a job being a career. people take the jobs that are available to them. mcdonalds wouldn't have to figure in for excessive turnover if they paid more and were able to be more selective in hiring.

All jobs are available to people. Just because they can't convince someone to hire them for other jobs, or never apply, doesn't mean it was never available. Of course, liberals tend to victimize people who are where they are due to the choices they made, and in their self-righteous thought process of hiking wages=they iz not poor anymore, simultaneously hurt those very people the most. If these people want to compete with high school workers making less than a wage that one can live off of, let them, and let them earn what the job is worth.

[Dakine10 5,452]

38 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

minimum wage has to be a living wage. it has nothing to with a particular position 'deserving' a certain dollar amount.

i was actually talking about this with my dad last weekend, he was saying he'd never been able to hold it together if he had to start over with today's minimum/gap.

  Yeah, that's more or less what I was getting at. It was an entry level job and most of us working there were in grade 11 or 12. The owner was a decent guy and didn't pay anyone minimum wage, but 9 dollars an hour wasn't a whole lot back then. Looking at how prices have gone up since then (1987), hard to believe anyone could get by on that today.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

Business Interests in this country have successfully convinced folks that the people who are protected by minimum wage are not even earning what they are currently paid and that the minimum wage worker will be better served with even lower wages and less protection. Their propaganda works the best on lower wage earners and comes with more than a tincture of racial and class overtones.

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2 minutes ago, SRVT said:

All jobs are available to people. Just because they can't convince someone to hire them for other jobs, or never apply, doesn't mean it was never available. Of course, liberals tend to victimize people who are where they are due to the choices they made, and in their self-righteous thought process of hiking wages=they iz not poor anymore, simultaneously hurt those very people the most. If these people want to compete with high school workers making less than a wage that one can live off of, let them, and let them earn what the job is worth.

that's what i'm saying, people take the jobs that are available to them. if they're not qualified, the job isn't available to them. if there is a shortage of well paying skilled laborer positions, people will end up taking unskilled labor positions. like the whole coal jobs debate. 

its like telling kids 'you can grow up to be whatever you want to be' and one kid saying 'i want to be a milk man' ...well kid, that job just ain't around anymore.

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4 minutes ago, SRVT said:

All jobs are available to people. Just because they can't convince someone to hire them for other jobs, or never apply, doesn't mean it was never available. Of course, liberals tend to victimize people who are where they are due to the choices they made, and in their self-righteous thought process of hiking wages=they iz not poor anymore, simultaneously hurt those very people the most. If these people want to compete with high school workers making less than a wage that one can live off of, let them, and let them earn what the job is worth.

Just like health care, housing and water..its all available, you just need to want it more.  

[Dakine10 5,452]

  The issue to me is, in the past minimum wage was not meant to be a living wage and employers didn't treat it that way. Minimum wage was for high school students and temporary jobs. The only job I ever had that started at minimum wage, I had two raises in the first 6 months. When I was younger, it was easy to find a job that paid more. If they wanted to keep people for any length of time, that's what they did.

 

  Nowadays, every employer wants to pay minimum wage to entry level workers. We're not just talking about McDonalds and were not just talking about high school students and were not talking about people only earning minimum wage for a few months anymore.