Three burglars enter home, son shoots them all dead with AR-15 assault rifle

[smilesammich 10,727]

by golly i sure hope 

 

2 minutes ago, SRVT said:

Just wait for another white cop situation to watch where that middle of the road scenario goes.

nb knows where i stand. that won't change.

 

Just now, SRVT said:

Like Dionne Warwick foresight? Teach me, senpai.

book learnin boy, git yerself sum.

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13 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Only someone with poor decision making skills could possibly think, that shooting to miss, when confronted with deadly attack is a brilliant idea 

Even after all this you still just don't get it. I'm not saying they should have "aimed to miss". They still could have shot and not killed the people. That is a potential outcome and I'm just saying that it would have been preferable to me. Not saying anything should have happened differently. Yes the odds of killing them was high when you have an automatic weapon at close range (as it sounds like happened), but still would have preferred them surviving. 

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17 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

well it is nice to have another middle of the road person here 

Best joke of this entire thread.

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10 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

by golly i sure hope 

 

nb knows where i stand. that won't change.

 

book learnin boy, git yerself sum.

I love reading books, so show me which books. I even find karate books that talk about how to disable armed people by using special kicks, punches, and Skyrim-like shouts. 

 

Of course, imagination is great, and those on the left have plenty of it, but reality I find is better.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

16 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

 

maybe nows the time for you two to look up why teenage brains lack foresight..

Even more reason to defend yourself with deadly force 

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Just now, Nature Boy Flair said:

Even more reason to defend yourself with deadly force 

Fus Ro Dah?

 

You must practice the way of the voice, Dragonborn. Goosfraba.

[smilesammich 10,727]

2 minutes ago, SRVT said:

I love reading books, so show me which books. I even find karate books that talk about how to disable armed people by using special kicks, punches, and Skyrim-like shouts. 

 

Of course, imagination is great, and those on the left have plenty of it, but reality I find is better.

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/the-teen-brain-still-under-construction/index.shtml

 

1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Even more reason to defend yourself with deadly force 

teens do dumb things, is all i'm saying. i mean, if this were three grown adults that had been killed maybe i could find some sympathy for a round of high fives. but with the situation as it is, it's just sad all the way around. 

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34 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/the-teen-brain-still-under-construction/index.shtml

 

teens do dumb things, is all i'm saying. i mean, if this were three grown adults that had been killed maybe i could find some sympathy for a round of high fives. but with the situation as it is, it's just sad all the way around. 

Wishful thinking about how scenarios could have ended up differently is nice.. wishing nobody was killed would be nice too.

 

But then again we're not discussing woulda, coulda, shoulda's. We're discussing someone's life at risk and them choosing to defend themselves with lethal force. There's no time to be sad about imaginary scenarios. This situation paints an adequate picture of what's necessary in the real world. What's high-five worthy is someone defended themselves from 3 armed people. I was a teenager once too, I wasn't dumb enough to rob others with weapons. The lesson some learn is harder than others, either because they're stupid, their parents are stupid, or other reasons that aren't worth thinking about. At least others might learn a lesson from this and think twice about doing something this dangerous and stupid. Or preferably a scenario like this happens where the victim is fine and the armed robbers are not. The number of age means little when one knows by this age what they're doing, hence why they're tried as adults anyways.

Edited March 28, 2017 by SRVT

[smilesammich 10,727]

2 minutes ago, SRVT said:

Wishful thinking about how scenarios could have ended up differently is nice.. wishing nobody was killed would be nice too.

 

But then again we're not discussing woulda, coulda, shoulda's. We're discussing someone's life at risk and them choosing to defend themselves with lethal force. There's no time to be sad about imaginary scenarios. This situation paints an adequate picture of what's necessary in the real world.

i don't know what you're discussing, i'm discussing the op and your jubilant reaction to it (i've also commented a bit on your assertion that the dead kids are also liberals, but that's just your schtick dumb as it is)..  if you read back, i said the reality was sad. three dead teens and someone who will have to come to terms with their blood on his hands. killing another person isn't something normal people take lightly or get super excited about. 

 

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1 hour ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

well it is nice to have another middle of the road person here 

I was feeling quite lonely. Actually I consider myself slightly left of the middle but in this company I will take the middle.

[OriZ 3,165]

Clearly, what happened to the teens is tragic. I don't think the gun owner is jumping up and down either, although I'm sure he's happy to be alive. People make mistakes, teens make mistakes, some mistakes have more grave circumstances than others, some bad choices are worse than others. While I'm not going to glee that they died, I do believe the gun owner was well within his rights to fire at them. I know if someone broke into my house, I'd fire first, ask questions later. If you ask questions first, you risk the chance of being the one to get shot at first. There is no room for error in that situation, you want to survive you make damn sure to fire first. I have mentioned before my wife's step brother is a sheriff's deputy, he told us one time, you shoot at the intruder first, then you put one shot in the ceiling as a "warning shot". That should cover ya, at least in most states I believe.

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10 minutes ago, OriZ said:

Clearly, what happened to the teens is tragic. I don't think the gun owner is jumping up and down either, although I'm sure he's happy to be alive. People make mistakes, teens make mistakes, some mistakes have more grave circumstances than others, some bad choices are worse than others. While I'm not going to glee that they died, I do believe the gun owner was well within his rights to fire at them. I know if someone broke into my house, I'd fire first, ask questions later. If you ask questions first, you risk the chance of being the one to get shot at first. There is no room for error in that situation, you want to survive you make damn sure to fire first. I have mentioned before my wife's step brother is a sheriff's deputy, he told us one time, you shoot at the intruder first, then you put one shot in the ceiling as a "warning shot". That should cover ya, at least in most states I believe.

I completely agree.

 

Until you got to the part where you said "If someone broke into my house, I'd fire first". I don't have a gun, don't want a gun and cases like this don't make me reconsider that.

 

Other than that though, I agree. That is all I was trying to say. It is tragic what happened, I wish it could ended differently (obviously not with the homeowners being harmed, but with the teens surviving) but it happened the way it did. There were better possible outcomes, but this was definitely not the worst.

 

I also feel very bad for the teen that shot them. He has killed three people quite early in his life. No matter what the circumstances are, taking a life can impact someone a lot.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

13 minutes ago, OriZ said:

Clearly, what happened to the teens is tragic. I don't think the gun owner is jumping up and down either, although I'm sure he's happy to be alive. People make mistakes, teens make mistakes, some mistakes have more grave circumstances than others, some bad choices are worse than others. While I'm not going to glee that they died, I do believe the gun owner was well within his rights to fire at them. I know if someone broke into my house, I'd fire first, ask questions later. If you ask questions first, you risk the chance of being the one to get shot at first. There is no room for error in that situation, you want to survive you make damn sure to fire first. I have mentioned before my wife's step brother is a sheriff's deputy, he told us one time, you shoot at the intruder first, then you put one shot in the ceiling as a "warning shot". That should cover ya, at least in most states I believe.

Do you have Gary chained in the basement? 

[OriZ 3,165]

2 minutes ago, bcking said:

I completely agree.

 

Until you got to the part where you said "If someone broke into my house, I'd fire first". I don't have a gun, don't want a gun and cases like this don't make me reconsider that.

 

Other than that though, I agree. That is all I was trying to say. It is tragic what happened, I wish it could ended differently (obviously not with the homeowners being harmed, but with the teens surviving) but it happened the way it did. There were better possible outcomes, but this was definitely not the worst.

 

I also feel very bad for the teen that shot them. He has killed three people quite early in his life. No matter what the circumstances are, taking a life can impact someone a lot.

I am not sure why you wouldn't want to fire first. If they have a gun and all you did was alert them to the fact you are aware they are there and that you are armed, you could end up putting your whole family in danger. Too big a risk for me to take personally. No, there's no room for second thoughts in these situations. You fire. 

 

2 minutes ago, spookyturtle said:

Do you have Gary chained in the basement? 

How did you know?

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14 minutes ago, OriZ said:

Clearly, what happened to the teens is tragic. I don't think the gun owner is jumping up and down either, although I'm sure he's happy to be alive. People make mistakes, teens make mistakes, some mistakes have more grave circumstances than others, some bad choices are worse than others. While I'm not going to glee that they died, I do believe the gun owner was well within his rights to fire at them. I know if someone broke into my house, I'd fire first, ask questions later. If you ask questions first, you risk the chance of being the one to get shot at first. There is no room for error in that situation, you want to survive you make damn sure to fire first. I have mentioned before my wife's step brother is a sheriff's deputy, he told us one time, you shoot at the intruder first, then you put one shot in the ceiling as a "warning shot". That should cover ya, at least in most states I believe.

Excellent comment, warning shot second even where you have the law theoretically on your side. With an AR a good 40c insurance.