Sweden? who would believe this?

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1 hour ago, AP16 said:

The incident in Sweden proves nothing. It does not change the fact that the president and his staff are constantly making serious accusations without any data to back it up. Other than the fact that nothing had happened in Sweden when President Trump made that statement, there is also no data available to show that immigrants/refugees are responsible for crime waves there.

I supported Donald Trump during the election, and I still think that Hillary would be far worse. But I don't have heroes in politics. So far, I do not agree with pretty much anything he did when it comes to immigration. Plus I think that he made poor choices for his staff and advisors, and that's where these inaccurate statements come from.

There is actually lots of facts that support the refugees are responsible for a surge in crime 

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4 hours ago, Ebunoluwa said:

Sure there is a shortage, especially when they get bombed 24/7.
I don't dispute that. It's not like a Syrian doctor can just open his office and roll with it right now.
Many go back to their country, many do not not, many do both back and forth.
I used the doctors as an example, you can apply it to any job.
My point was to show you that yes 1 in 4 foreign doctors exist here because you brought up teachers, doctors and engineers,

careers foreign individuals from MENA and Africa supposedly not pursue and are therefore expendable leeches on society.
Or perhaps you think they are only doing cleaning jobs which I find no problem with by the way.

 

I am glad we agree that taking limited and expensive skills from Countries that can least afford to lose them is immoral.

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47 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I am glad we agree that taking limited and expensive skills from Countries that can least afford to lose them is immoral.

Not quite the way you put it but I agree that it is immoral to bomb hospitals with doctors and patients and if that were you

I bet you would want to get the heck out of there too.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

You can't have it both ways, complain about them not pursuing decent careers and complain when they do. Which is it ?

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2 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

There is actually lots of facts that support the refugees are responsible for a surge in crime 

Please show me these facts. What I see is the old tactic of creating the invisible enemy to keep the population in fear and justify spending enormous amounts of tax payer money in military, not to mention the making up of excuses to ocuppy potential influence zones.

 

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6 minutes ago, Ebunoluwa said:

Not quite the way you put it but I agree that it is immoral to bomb hospitals with doctors and patients and if that were you

I bet you would want to get the heck out of there too.

We can never know what I would do, all I know is my Family when in a much worse position did not. Stayed and fought.

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18 minutes ago, Boiler said:

We can never know what I would do, all I know is my Family when in a much worse position did not. Stayed and fought.

So did my grand father and father. However those were different times and different places, not the same by a long shot.
I would run the heck out of there if it was me in that crazy war zone.

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Things have certainly changed, back then you evacuated the women and children.

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2 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

There is actually lots of facts that support the refugees are responsible for a surge in crime 

Not official facts, in the case of Sweden they account for one percent of crime.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

On 2/20/2017 at 11:07 AM, smilesammich said:

it makes me wonder why trump isn't answering sweden. is sweden a fake country?

well he did answer and its very  clear.  Of course this will not soothe the DDS 

 

Trump clarifies 'Sweden' remark, says he was referring to Fox News report

 

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/19/trump-clarifies-sweden-remark-says-was-referring-to-fox-news-report.html

 

 

Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/23/sweden-democrats-trump-was-right.html

 

Two leading Swedish politicians have a message for President Trump’s critics: He’s right.

Per Jimmie Akesson and Mattias Karlsson, both leaders of the Sweden Democrats, penned a Wall Street Journal op-ed on Wednesday supporting Trump’s characterization of a Muslim immigrant-led crime crisis in Sweden.

“Mr. Trump did not exaggerate Sweden’s current problems,” Akesson and Karlsson wrote. “If anything, he understated them.”

Trump was ridiculed by many after he gave a speech Saturday citing Sweden among a list of European countries affected by the scourge of Islamic terror. Referring to the massive number of Middle Eastern refugees that have poured into the country, Trump said Sweden was “having problems like they never thought possible.” Some Swedish politicians openly derided Trump’s portrayal of the country – but riots in a heavily immigrant suburb of Stockholm on Monday evening put an end to most of the mockery.

“Riots and social unrest have become a part of everyday life,” Akesson and Karlsson wrote. “Police officers, firefighters and ambulance personnel are regularly attacked. Serious riots in 2013, involving many suburbs with large immigrant populations, lasted for almost a week. Gang violence is booming. Despite very strict firearms laws, gun violence is five times as common in Sweden, in total, as in the capital cities of our three Nordic neighbors combined.”

They added: “Anti-Semitism has risen. Jews in Malmo are threatened, harassed and assaulted in the streets. Many have left the city, becoming internal refugees in their country of birth.”

The Sweden Democrats duo ended the op-ed with a warning for the United States.

“For the sake of the American people,” Akesson and Karlsson wrote, “with whom we share so many strong historical and cultural ties, we can only hope that the leaders in Washington won’t make the same mistakes that our socialist and liberal politicians did.”

 

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18 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

 

Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

Just so we are all on the same page and fully informed:

 

"Sweden Democrats" is a political party in Sweden that is far-right and anti-immigration. 

 

I'm not making a statement about whether those two politicians have a point or not, but just pointing out their political ideology. 

 

It would be like an interview with a politician who formerly worked at Brietbart News giving their opinion on a situation. They are hardly unbiased in their assessment. 

 

Looking into it a little more - Apparently the other political parties all have adopted a policy of Cordon sanitaire (non-cooperation) with them.

Edited February 23, 2017 by bcking

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3 minutes ago, bcking said:

Just so we are all on the same page and fully informed:

 

"Sweden Democrats" is a political party in Sweden that is far-right and anti-immigration. 

 

I'm not making a statement about whether those two politicians have a point or not, but just pointing out their political ideology. 

 

It would be like an interview with a politician who formerly worked at Brietbart News giving their opinion on a situation. They are hardly unbiased in their assessment. 

I assume everybody who has been following the Swedish situation would know that, not sure about them being far right, certainly anti asylum seekers. And increasingly popular.

 

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20 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

well he did answer and its very  clear.  Of course this will not soothe the DDS 

 

Trump clarifies 'Sweden' remark, says he was referring to Fox News report

 

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/19/trump-clarifies-sweden-remark-says-was-referring-to-fox-news-report.html

 

 

Sweden Democrats: Trump was right

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/23/sweden-democrats-trump-was-right.html

 

Two leading Swedish politicians have a message for President Trump’s critics: He’s right.

Per Jimmie Akesson and Mattias Karlsson, both leaders of the Sweden Democrats, penned a Wall Street Journal op-ed on Wednesday supporting Trump’s characterization of a Muslim immigrant-led crime crisis in Sweden.

“Mr. Trump did not exaggerate Sweden’s current problems,” Akesson and Karlsson wrote. “If anything, he understated them.”

Trump was ridiculed by many after he gave a speech Saturday citing Sweden among a list of European countries affected by the scourge of Islamic terror. Referring to the massive number of Middle Eastern refugees that have poured into the country, Trump said Sweden was “having problems like they never thought possible.” Some Swedish politicians openly derided Trump’s portrayal of the country – but riots in a heavily immigrant suburb of Stockholm on Monday evening put an end to most of the mockery.

“Riots and social unrest have become a part of everyday life,” Akesson and Karlsson wrote. “Police officers, firefighters and ambulance personnel are regularly attacked. Serious riots in 2013, involving many suburbs with large immigrant populations, lasted for almost a week. Gang violence is booming. Despite very strict firearms laws, gun violence is five times as common in Sweden, in total, as in the capital cities of our three Nordic neighbors combined.”

They added: “Anti-Semitism has risen. Jews in Malmo are threatened, harassed and assaulted in the streets. Many have left the city, becoming internal refugees in their country of birth.”

The Sweden Democrats duo ended the op-ed with a warning for the United States.

“For the sake of the American people,” Akesson and Karlsson wrote, “with whom we share so many strong historical and cultural ties, we can only hope that the leaders in Washington won’t make the same mistakes that our socialist and liberal politicians did.”

 

i seriously don't even have it in me to keep on caring about this, trump watched a piece on fox concerning a largely debunked documentary. he didn't not predict anything and he does not have his tiny finger on the pulse of sweden. further, he is not president of sweden, he's president of the us. so while he was going on about sweden, maybe there's some other occurrences that have recently gone down of the terror persuasion in our actual country? our actual continent? wonder why he's not addressing what happened in quebec.

"IN QUEBEC FOLKS, OF ALL PLACES. a guy goes into a mosque and starts firing?! KILLING FATHERS WITH THEIR CHILDREN? WHAT IS GOING ON WITH QUEBEC? what's going on with the synagogues and jewish community centers? YUGE INCREASE IN BOMB THREATS - towards the jewish community - IN AMERICA FOR GODSAKES."

nope nothing like that. i guess fox needs to broaden it's coverage.

 

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4 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I assume everybody who has been following the Swedish situation would know that, not sure about them being far right, certainly anti asylum seekers. And increasingly popular.

 

Amazing the power of making up a little undeserved hatred has at gathering support despite reality eh? Gosh, where can we find an example for this here in the US?

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4 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I assume everybody who has been following the Swedish situation would know that, not sure about them being far right, certainly anti asylum seekers. And increasingly popular.

 

I was just making it clear instead of assuming. Their name sounds more in line with our liberal-leaning party in the USA, despite them being far more right leaning.

 

Some of the info about them is quite embarassing. Since 2010 they have had 27% of their elected representatives resign. That is hilarious.