Most Support Temporary Ban on Newcomers from Terrorist Havens - Rasmussen

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

4 hours ago, JayJayH said:

Congress and the Obama administration did come up with that list. This is the exact list of countries whose citizens were barred from using the VWP/ESTA if they were dual citizens in a VWP/ESTA eligible country. In addition, anyone with a VWP/ESTA eligible passport was barred from using the VWP/ESTA if they had visited any of those seven countries recently. Iran, Syria and Sudan were listed as "state sponsors of terrorism" while the remaining countries were listed as "countries of concern." As much as I'm not a fan of Saudi Arabia, they have a functioning (and cooperative) state bureaucracy and you can get a credible background check from Saudi Arabia. Egypt too. Try getting anything credible from Somalia.

 

It's ok to be against Trump, while still recognizing that Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen had already been considered "terror prone" by Congress and the Obama administration as recently as 2015.

 

And before anyone else says "Trump has business dealings in Saudi Arabia etc." That's true. The Emirates too. Qatar perhaps.

 

But the vast majority of Muslim majority countries exempted along with Saudi and Qatar have nothing even remotely resembling a Trump Tower. Remember that Chad, Mali, Niger, Guinea, Guinea Bissau, Gambia, Senegal, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Oman, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, the West Bank, Gaza, Bosnia, Albania etc, etc, are all exempted too. Not just Turkey and the Gulf states.

 

Treat this for what it is - A Trump administration PR stunt to say he's following through on his campaign promises. This ban will be up two days prior to the conclusion of Trump's first 100 days in office. At that point, this will still be in the court system, while Trump will say something in the lines of "I fixed the vetting process. Bigly. It's beautiful." while the "Muslim ban" narrative will seem rather strange to anyone who isn't in the "Trump is Hitler" camp.

 

This is one of the most poorly implemented policies I can remember ever seeing. And from a national security point of view, makes little to no sense. But Trump/Bannon know how to play the media, and they know how to sideswipe the media. Hysteria and speculation play into their "the media is against you" narrative. Put into context of Trump's campaign, most of it makes total and complete sense.

Trump has business dealings in Malaysia, Indonesia and Morocco, just saying

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

The Philippines is a hotbed of muslim terroism. We need to add the Philippines to the list. 

[JayJayH 546]

27 minutes ago, ccneat said:

Trump has business dealings in Malaysia, Indonesia and Morocco, just saying

Fine, I'll rephrase.

 

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Remember that Chad, Mali, Niger, Guinea, Guinea Bissau, Gambia, Senegal, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Oman, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, the West Bank, Gaza, Bosnia, Albania etc, etc, are all exempted too.

I'll add Burkina Faso, Western Sahara and Kosovo instead.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

Just now, JayJayH said:

Fine, I'll rephrase.

 

I'll add Burkina Faso, Western Sahara and Kosovo instead.

Okay that adds about a million people..

[JayJayH 546]

29 minutes ago, ccneat said:

The Philippines is a hotbed of muslim terroism. We need to add the Philippines to the list. 

Iraq, Libya, Somalia and Yemen are in civil war, with very limited functioning bureaucracy.

 

Iran and Sudan are considered "state sponsors of terrorism."

 

Syria falls under both categories.

 

The list might not make much sense. But it isn't a random one.

[bcking 3,157]

I agree it's not random. I think it's the best list they can come up with for countries that meet these two requirements:

 

1. Are in some way connected to terrorism in the middle east

2. Aren't a country that we want to insult/offend because of a variety of issues (US bases, US interests etc...)

 

It's basically the list of places we can "get away with". Though there are rumors the list will grow soon.

 

The whole "Trump has business dealings", at least for me was merely just a joke. Never meant it seriously. It's more like the US have dealings. It was a low hanging fruit that he picked, a fruit that won't satisfy our hunger but at least he can say he picked it.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

8 hours ago, ccneat said:

The Philippines is a hotbed of muslim terroism. We need to add the Philippines to the list. 

Trust me I know a thing or two about Terror and Philippino women 

[yuna628 9,547]

10 hours ago, ccneat said:

The Philippines is a hotbed of muslim terroism. We need to add the Philippines to the list. 

You may get your wish!

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