enough proof of having met?

[jess100 53]

HI everyone,

I'm putting together the documents for my fiance for the interview. (I am waiting for TSC so I have plenty of time to finish this)

I front loaded the original petition with a lot of proof of our relationship going back more than 5 years (maybe too much proof). I think it would be impossible for a reasonable person to dispute our relationship. But just in case we don't get a reasonable person I'm sending more proof with him from several years! So I think I'm strong on that front.

So now I feel I didn't make a strong enough case that we've met in the last 2 years. (anything after March 17, 2013 can be included). I'm wondering if this seems like enough.

Here's what I have:

Passport showing most of the stamps (some are not very clear)

Flight boarding pass Dec 2013

receipt for dinner on my credit card -he signed for it -(along with bank statement showing that transaction)

2 bus tickets for Jan 6, 2014 (1 for each of us with name printed on ticket)

2 bus tickets for Jan 7, 2014 (1 for each of us with name printed on ticket)

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2 bus tickets April 2014 (1 for each of us with name printed on ticket)

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flight boarding pass Nov 2014

2 bus tickets 11/23/2014 (1 for each of us with name printed on ticket)

Original bank statement showing hostel paid for in Mexico City (and the credit card receipt from the hostel 11/2014

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I'm planning to send him in to the interview with my original passport (not copies of the pages) so it's clear to the CO that I'm in Mexico for the interview.

Does this sound like enough proof, keeping in mind that Mex will be harder than London and other European consulates?

[TBoneTX 47,502]

Yes.

[UsUs 0]

This looks like plenty of eveidence. I think your nerves are getting the best of you. I do have a question for you, what timeframe of amount of times having visited your finance is frowned upon?

[jess100 53]

This looks like plenty of eveidence. I think your nerves are getting the best of you. I do have a question for you, what timeframe of amount of times having visited your finance is frowned upon?

Hi

Thanks for your reply and yes my nerves have had the best of me for quite a while. Someone called this process soul depleting and I agree.

Do you mean how many times to have visited each other? Or how long you remained visiting?

[heo luoi 206]

Seems like you have a plenty reasonable amount from your front load.

if you want extra credit,

Photos during those visits and anything that can corroborate the times

Maybe clarifying on relationship timeline and how long you were together for each visit. Wknds, or weeks...etc.

But agree you seem to have a very long relationship already and are over concerned based on your OP

Edited November 8, 2015 by heo luoi

[JL818 18]

I agree with the above posters that you have enough evidence, but that a few photos (not more than 5) would help corroborate.

Edited November 9, 2015 by JL818

[jess100 53]

Thanks everyone for the responses. And thanks for the reminder about the photos of those specific visits. I would have forgotten to include them for this.

What exactly are they looking for with "timeline"? Just that the visits are documented by primary evidence, supported by photos and in order? (e.g. here is our visit in 2013, here is our visit in 2014?)

thanks again to everyone. I think I would have alredy lost my mind if this forum didn't exist.

[JL818 18]

Thanks everyone for the responses. And thanks for the reminder about the photos of those specific visits. I would have forgotten to include them for this.

What exactly are they looking for with "timeline"? Just that the visits are documented by primary evidence, supported by photos and in order? (e.g. here is our visit in 2013, here is our visit in 2014?)

thanks again to everyone. I think I would have alredy lost my mind if this forum didn't exist.

You don't really need all that much info regarding a complete timeline, and I don't think they will ask for evidence of it. They will probably expect your fiance to know the key dates and that's it, such as when and how you first met, when you started your relationship, the most recent time you met, etc.

Their main requirement is that you have a bonafide relationship and that you have met within the last 2 years. Really, you could probably just provide them with evidence of your most recent meetup (boarding pass) and a photo and that would probably be sufficient as long as there are no other red flags. Though just to be safe, we often provide a little more (but not so much that it would overwhelm the reviewing officer).

[heo luoi 206]

Just tickets / boarding passes alone technically circumstantial as it literally only proves you were in the country...not necessarily together. Could have just visited friends/family. Again just how much you want to alleviate any doubt and how much scrutiny ones Embassy/consulate has, and your comfort level on how much you want to have available upfront vs having to possibly retroactively provide. Try to take an objective view and if you were a 3rd party how would you look at something and try to deduce if sufficient if you didnt know yourself/fiance....was my perspective....It seems like you are already there w/ your front loading, lengthy relationship and due diligence. Just my take.

[JL818 18]

Just tickets / boarding passes alone technically circumstantial as it literally only proves you were in the country...not necessarily together. Could have just visited friends/family. Again just how much you want to alleviate any doubt and how much scrutiny ones Embassy/consulate has, and your comfort level on how much you want to have available upfront vs having to possibly retroactively provide. Try to take an objective view and if you were a 3rd party how would you look at something and try to deduce if sufficient if you didnt know yourself/fiance....was my perspective....It seems like you are already there w/ your front loading, lengthy relationship and due diligence. Just my take.

Agree with this. Having some photos to corroborate would be perfect. That would satisfy me anyway, and I am an auditor by trade

[UsUs 0]

You don't really need all that much info regarding a complete timeline, and I don't think they will ask for evidence of it. They will probably expect your fiance to know the key dates and that's it, such as when and how you first met, when you started your relationship, the most recent time you met, etc.

Their main requirement is that you have a bonafide relationship and that you have met within the last 2 years. Really, you could probably just provide them with evidence of your most recent meetup (boarding pass) and a photo and that would probably be sufficient as long as there are no other red flags. Though just to be safe, we often provide a little more (but not so much that it would overwhelm the reviewing officer).

Hello, I am preparing "mentally" to apply for the K-1 visa in 2017. I wanted to know what are the "red flags" you mention in this comment. I have a few concerns that i feel may lead to rejection but it may just be my nerves getting the best of me. Idk. However could you give me examples of what "red flags" could lead to a rejection.

[UsUs 0]

Hi

Thanks for your reply and yes my nerves have had the best of me for quite a while. Someone called this process soul depleting and I agree.

Do you mean how many times to have visited each other? Or how long you remained visiting?

Sorry for the confusion or lack of information . I am asking if there is a minimum amount of times they look for the two of us to have met in person. Financially i know that I won't be able to visit multiple times before the applying for the K-1 visa. Also, do they frown upon only having met in person once, or for couples who met online. I just am afraid that how we met will be looked down upon and may lead to rejection of our visa .

[JL818 18]

Sorry for the confusion or lack of information . I am asking if there is a minimum amount of times they look for the two of us to have met in person. Financially i know that I won't be able to visit multiple times before the applying for the K-1 visa. Also, do they frown upon only having met in person once, or for couples who met online. I just am afraid that how we met will be looked down upon and may lead to rejection of our visa .

Hi Marisa,

It would be impossible to produce an exhaustive list of red flags and it may also be partially up to the immigration officials' personal judgment as well. However, here are some of the more common "red flags":

- The couple became engaged after only knowing each other for a short time.

- The couple only exchanged limited communications, or can only provide limited EVIDENCE of ongoing and regular communication.

- The couple has only had brief ”face to face” time together.

- The couple submitted their petition after only knowing each other for a short time.

- There is a significant age difference between the couple

- They cannot communicate fluently in a common language

Here are some additional red flags:

- The foreign fiancee is from a ‘Hi-risk’ country (where rate of visa fraud is higher than average)

- The couple’s affair started while one or the other was still married

- The foreign fiancee has been petitioned for by a different American sponsor

- The foreign fiancee has two or more previous marriages

- The foreign fiancee has a history of failed visa application attempts

- The American sponsor has petitioned for other foreign women.

- The American sponsor has two or more previous marriages.

- The American sponsor is female, and male fiance is much younger

- The couple were introduced by a relative of the foreign fiancee.

- The trip to meet was arranged, escorted and/or paid for by the fiancee’s relative

- The couple met using an online website specializing in introducing foreign women to American men

- The couple became engaged PRIOR to their first “face to face” meeting.

- The couple has not met “face to face” for an excessively long time

Please note that although the above are various potential red flags. Note that I said potential, as just because some of these red flags may exist in your application, they would probably not, by themselves, really be of significant concern. However, the more of these red flags you have, the more evidence I would probably try to provide that your relationship is bona fide relationship. I would say the with regards to your situation of having met online and only having met once. The more evidence you can produce to convince them that you have a genuine relationship, the better your chances will be.

[KayDeeCee 4,900]

Proof of having met was mainly for the I-129F petition requirements and approval. If the CO wants to see more evidence of relationship, then providing proof of more visits and in-person, face-time would indeed be the most helpful. You can also show evidence of how you communicate while apart. For the photos, if you have some together with each others friends and family, then use those.

Relax a little bit. The fact that you will be present in Juarez for the interview is a plus in your favor already. It is possible they won't ask for anymore relationship evidence at all. If they do ask, you seem to have more than enough.

[heo luoi 206]

Sorry for the confusion or lack of information . I am asking if there is a minimum amount of times they look for the two of us to have met in person. Financially i know that I won't be able to visit multiple times before the applying for the K-1 visa. Also, do they frown upon only having met in person once, or for couples who met online. I just am afraid that how we met will be looked down upon and may lead to rejection of our visa .

There is no special number. Otherwise they would say the minimum requirement is # times. They don't.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/573494-how-many-times-did-you-meet-prior-to-filing/

Try to take a step back and relax. Troll the forums. There are crazy unorthodox ways people have met. 1x , dozens of times. Online, in person, in game, who knows.Couple days / time to weeks at a time. All you can do is substantiate your situation as it is if you feel you need to. Freaking about things that wont change doesnt do anyone any good. I could not go for interview. NO matter how much everyone suggested that was good, for me just wasn't in the cards. I couldn't make it happen. I zoned it out as noise for my personal case.

(NOTE i do think if you can plan accordingly and do so its likely a very good approach and should be encouraged...just for me it was a little bit too late and other circumstances couldnt make it happen)

But some people can get pretty heavy handed w/ the suggestion and it doesnt change anything if you can't go you cant go. It is what it is.