No Indictment for New York Police

[LibCampFireClub 635]

Here we go again ladies and gentlemen

[LibCampFireClub 635]

No indictment for NYPD cop in chokehold death of unarmed man, source says

DEVELOPING: A Staten Island grand jury Wednesday has declined to indict the New York City police officer in connection with the July chokehold death of an unarmed man, a source tells Fox News.

Police Officer Daniel Pantaleo, a 29-year-old, eight-year veteran of the force, faced possible charges in the July 17 death of Eric Garner, who was stopped on suspicion of selling loose cigarettes. Video captured Pantaleo using what appeared to be an illegal chokehold on Garner, a 43-year-old father of six with a lengthy criminal record. Garner, who had health problems, died as a result of the encounter.

The grand jury of 15 whites and 8 minorities concluded there was not enough evidence to charge the officer with a crime, although he could still face departmental charges.

New York City's Police Commissioner William Bratton was asked Sunday if what happened in Ferguson, Missouri, could happen in New York. He said the NYPD has been preparing for months "in multiple ways," including community meetings.

Bratton says he's more concerned with outside agitators and looking at what tactics they might employ.

Garner's family has filed a notice that it plans to sue the city for $75 million on the grounds of wrongful death, pre-death pain and suffering and civil rights violation, The New York Post reported. Rev. Al Sharpton, who is an advisor for the family, has called on a federal probe.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/03/no-indictment-for-nypd-cop-in-chokehold-death-unarmed-man-source-says/

Edited December 3, 2014 by ExExpat

[LibCampFireClub 635]

This case should not be compared with Michael Brown. Unfortunately, they may be compared in the court of public opinion. This man was simply selling 'loosies' on the street, which are loose cigarettes people can buy one at a time. Taxes are very high for cigarettes in the city of New York, where a pack costs around 15-bucks. Mostly taxes. They say these sellers are everywhere on the streets, who have an incentive to make a quick buck by bringing in out of state cigarettes and skip the tax.

[decocker 7,198]

i'm not surprised. by the decision not to indict or exexpats slippery grasp of the facts surrounding what happened.

[B_J 2,752]

Here's what bothers me. I don't know the facts about this case. I know very little. And, I don't believe that there is any media source I can go to where I can find out the facts. I honestly believe that every news source will taint the facts to support whatever opinion they choose. Whether it fits there political narrative or whether it will just create more drama for the to cover - the truth is just secondary.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

i'm not surprised. by the decision not to indict or exexpats slippery grasp of the facts surrounding what happened.

In this case I am surprised, but only surprised based on the video. Grand Juries are conducted in secret only those who are legal participants are familiar with the evidence presented. So what's changed recently to deepen mistrust in American law enforcement? Two things come to mind: Obama, and Eric Holder.

Several years ago we moved away from lynch mobs and favored due process in a court of law. A controlled environment governed by the most stringent legal standards on planet earth. Yet now, we have instant and round the clock news that has evolved into pot of opinion and divisive insight. This case may be the straw that broke the camel's back. The people of America are now more polarized than ever, with the majority siding with law enforcement, but seeing need for change. I'm not sure what the other side wants, but if there is no movement, there will be a lot more violence.

[decocker 7,198]

what bothers me is there's a video of the whole damn thing.

[Teddy B 17,252]

I remember this incident and seeing the cell phone video of the cops taking the big man down and choking him. Based on what I knew at the time I thought the cops used far too much force than what the situation warranted and they were inept in getting the man medical help.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Here's what bothers me. I don't know the facts about this case. I know very little. And, I don't believe that there is any media source I can go to where I can find out the facts. I honestly believe that every news source will taint the facts to support whatever opinion they choose. Whether it fits there political narrative or whether it will just create more drama for the to cover - the truth is just secondary.

You don't need facts in this case. Take a look at the video. The man wasn't fighting back. The EMT's couldn't even be bothered to check on him. The cops used a move that was prohibited by the police department. And there's no indictment. Those are the facts.

[decocker 7,198]

In this case I am surprised, but only surprised based on the video. Grand Juries are conducted in secret only those who are legal participants are familiar with the evidence presented. So what's changed recently to deepen mistrust in American law enforcement? Two things come to mind: Obama, and Eric Holder.

maybe you feel obama and holder caused mistrust between america and cops but i think that cops caused the mistrust. it's all dependant on your experiences with them.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

In this case I am surprised, but only surprised based on the video. Grand Juries are conducted in secret only those who are legal participants are familiar with the evidence presented. So what's changed recently to deepen mistrust in American law enforcement? Two things come to mind: Obama, and Eric Holder.

Several years ago we moved away from lynch mobs and favored due process in a court of law. A controlled environment governed by the most stringent legal standards on planet earth. Yet now, we have instant and round the clock news that has evolved into pot of opinion and divisive insight. This case may be the straw that broke the camel's back. The people of America are now more polarized than ever, with the majority siding with law enforcement, but seeing need for change. I'm not sure what the other side wants, but if there is no movement, there will be a lot more violence.

You really need to learn some new material. Distrust in Law Enforcement been a problem since the 1960's.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

maybe you feel obama and holder caused mistrust between america and cops but i think that cops caused the mistrust. it's all dependant on your experiences with them.

Despite your assertions, I am not a huge fan of the changes in our police forces during the past several years. I've had more than one serious encounter with the police where it was obvious they would not tolerate anything less than complete submission whether or not one deemed they were being reasonable. For this reason I think it would be a very positive change to require every law enforcement officer to carry a body camera when the are on duty. No exceptions.

As for Eric Holder and Obama, they have both injected race as being the fundamental factor for inappropriate police conduct. There is ample evidence that bad police conduct happens, but the overwhelming majority of events are routine and reasonable.

[khwaidee1 196]

You don't need facts in this case. Take a look at the video. The man wasn't fighting back. The EMT's couldn't even be bothered to check on him. The cops used a move that was prohibited by the police department. And there's no indictment. Those are the facts.

Agreed, and seriously, getting killed for selling cigarettes? I don't care how much the taxes are. The guy rode him like a bull. He wasn't even the aggressor.

[B_J 2,752]

You don't need facts in this case. Take a look at the video. The man wasn't fighting back. The EMT's couldn't even be bothered to check on him. The cops used a move that was prohibited by the police department. And there's no indictment. Those are the facts.

First, I'm still looking for the video. I find lots of news reports about the video, but they start right at the "exciting" part. I'd like to see everything leading up to it.

As I've been doing my searching, I noticed something rather quickly. In your list of facts, you conveniently left out the fact that he was telling the officers to leave him alone and he refused to be handcuffed. Apparently, it's after that when everything happened. Again, I don't know the whole story, but it is interesting that you leave those facts out when you explained it to me. smh

[B_J 2,752]

Finally found a longer video.

That is one big guy and he wasn't cooperative. It's believable that the cop got him in the choke hold initially just because of the sheer size of the guy. But, he just kept it there, even after the guy was down and under control. Looking at it, I'd have to say that the cop killed that guy. It's tough to see how the grand jury came to this decision.