FRONT LOADING AT US EMBASSY LAGOS

[doshi 1]

Hi Vjers,

i know this topic has been long over flogged but my question is who(the petitioner/attorney/beneficiary) should send the paperwork/evidence to the embassy?

how important is this front loading and is it legally/morally right to do it? since the beneficiary will take evidence along to interview anyway or is it a case of share proactiveness?

this link http://www.nairaland.com/1746138/u.s-immigration-questions-ask-u.s#23494455 shows it maynt be necessary as documentary evidence especially for spousal marriage is the least emphasis rather questions on knowledgeability of the spouse is most important.

what are your views guys?????

[EOC 440]

At the USCIS stage, we didn't frontload at all, we just included our marriage certificate and the neccesary forms and we got approved without any RFE. But We plan to frontload a bit at the NVC stage, based on other people's experience that CO might have gone thru the file and make up their mind before the beneficiary shows up at the windown for interview. During the interview, the CO won't have all the hours going thru all the evidences one by one because of the time frame and considering the facts that there are thousands of people waiting to be interviewed.

So in my own view I will suggest whoever wants to frontload can go ahead considering the fact they think of Nigeria as one of the highest visa fraud country.

[Ryan H 3,791]

IMO, if you want to frontload, the time to do it is at the time of the initial filing of the I-130.

Edited May 23, 2014 by Ryan H

[dwheels76 5,463]

Hi Vjers,

i know this topic has been long over flogged but my question is who(the petitioner/attorney/beneficiary) should send the paperwork/evidence to the embassy?

how important is this front loading and is it legally/morally right to do it? since the beneficiary will take evidence along to interview anyway or is it a case of share proactiveness?

this link http://www.nairaland.com/1746138/u.s-immigration-questions-ask-u.s#23494455 shows it maynt be necessary as documentary evidence especially for spousal marriage is the least emphasis rather questions on knowledgeability of the spouse is most important.

what are your views guys?????

If you do your research and read about those who didn't supply any information with petition. And see denial after denial. This isn't UK or Canada or any other VWP embassy and you are Nigerian you need to act and plan accordingly.

Look at it this way I am a CO and you sent me a marriage certificate, I am to deduce you are a real bonafide couple not for immigration purposes. Not a sham or fraud because you sent me a certificate? Really?

What do you think evidence is for up front? This evidence will leave NVC and be in the hands of the one that will render a decision ion your behalf you going to tell me give them nothing. Read all the reviews on the portal and see the "I had brought all this evidence and they wouldn't even see it".

Evidence showing visits, living together, getting our lives lined up, combining our finances, papers, homes, families. You show that with evidence. At the front is best that's why its Front-loading.

I don't know what you mean is it "legally/morally" right? huh?? what does that mean? You are asked for evidence. And you are assuming you bringing binders and folders full of evidence a CO will look at. Or ask for it. To me a person loaded at interview like a back mule tells me you were ill prepared.

At Lagos alone over 400 people walk through those doors daily for all manner of interviews. Do you really think they have hours to pour over all you brought in? Sure they may ask do you have this or that or more this or that if your petition is lacking. But honestly a thorough petition is one that the CO sees the whole picture and has made their decision. And ask very little questions.

As far as that nonsense on nairaland. Do you really think that person is a for real government employee? On nairaland posting? Why go there and not a notable site like Visajourney? I asked my own question to the CO to smoke them out. Their answer was laughable and I knew then they were a fraud setting people up. Note they debunk everything that has been told to people going through Lagos.

If you want success you front-load with quality evidence that demonstrates an evolution of a relationship.Facetime is #1 evidence always

[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

No one send evidence directly to the embassy. You may carry stuff to the interview. Too much front loading is a sign of fraud. A huge petition that looks like it is prepared to a popular list on this site looks like fraud. Evidence that is manufactured looks like fraud. ( being on a car that they aren't able to drive ) Evidence that is submitted during the petition should be to support the story of your relationship not a pile of junk that you made to support a list of what is evidence of bona fide relationship

[doshi 1]

At the USCIS stage, we didn't frontload at all, we just included our marriage certificate and the neccesary forms and we got approved without any RFE. But We plan to frontload a bit at the NVC stage, based on other people's experience that CO might have gone thru the file and make up their mind before the beneficiary shows up at the windown for interview. During the interview, the CO won't have all the hours going thru all the evidences one by one because of the time frame and considering the facts that there are thousands of people waiting to be interviewed.

So in my own view I will suggest whoever wants to frontload can go ahead considering the fact they think of Nigeria as one of the highest visa fraud country.

so it is allowed to send extra documents that can prove bonafide relationship that werent sent at the initial USCIS stage to NVC?

I tot NVC had their own schedule of things to send to them that arenot related to docs to prove ongoing and bonafide relationship?

Would it not seem weird to send extra chats and pictures when NVC only gave you an RFI to fix some missing stuff on for 1-864???

IMO, if you want to frontload, the time to do it is with at the time of the initial filing of the I-130.

Now you getting where am drifting at!!!

is it right for someone to frontload after case has been sent to embassy????

[doshi 1]

If you do your research and read about those who didn't supply any information with petition. And see denial after denial. This isn't UK or Canada or any other VWP embassy and you are Nigerian you need to act and plan accordingly.

Look at it this way I am a CO and you sent me a marriage certificate, I am to deduce you are a real bonafide couple not for immigration purposes. Not a sham or fraud because you sent me a certificate? Really?

What do you think evidence is for up front? This evidence will leave NVC and be in the hands of the one that will render a decision ion your behalf you going to tell me give them nothing. Read all the reviews on the portal and see the "I had brought all this evidence and they wouldn't even see it".

Evidence showing visits, living together, getting our lives lined up, combining our finances, papers, homes, families. You show that with evidence. At the front is best that's why its Front-loading.

I don't know what you mean is it "legally/morally" right? huh?? what does that mean? You are asked for evidence. And you are assuming you bringing binders and folders full of evidence a CO will look at. Or ask for it. To me a person loaded at interview like a back mule tells me you were ill prepared.

At Lagos alone over 400 people walk through those doors daily for all manner of interviews. Do you really think they have hours to pour over all you brought in? Sure they may ask do you have this or that or more this or that if your petition is lacking. But honestly a thorough petition is one that the CO sees the whole picture and has made their decision. And ask very little questions.

As far as that nonsense on nairaland. Do you really think that person is a for real government employee? On nairaland posting? Why go there and not a notable site like Visajourney? I asked my own question to the CO to smoke them out. Their answer was laughable and I knew then they were a fraud setting people up. Note they debunk everything that has been told to people going through Lagos.

If you want success you front-load with quality evidence that demonstrates an evolution of a relationship.Facetime is #1 evidence always

good to say the least!

however, permit me to say that not much evidence is requested from the petitioner during the uscis stage and since a relationship is ongoing that is why consulate review of needed docs show what is needed to be brought to the interview.

it worries me why the consulate will spell out tins to bring and still not want to look at it.

i guess that is why they focus on asking pertinent questions that prove knowledge of genuine relationship.

i still believe very strongly that it is not a cast in stone rule to frontload as there have been people who never frontloaded and their interview session didnt drag long.

last question is WHERE DID THIS THEORY OF FRONLOADING ORIGINATE FROM IS IT DOCUMENTS(THAT PROVE ONGOING RELATIONSHIP) SENT TO USCIS, NVC OR DOCUMENTS SSENT TO EMBASSY?

[doshi 1]

No one send evidence directly to the embassy. You may carry stuff to the interview. Too much front loading is a sign of fraud. A huge petition that looks like it is prepared to a popular list on this site looks like fraud. Evidence that is manufactured looks like fraud. ( being on a car that they aren't able to drive ) Evidence that is submitted during the petition should be to support the story of your relationship not a pile of junk that you made to support a list of what is evidence of bona fide relationship

So you advise strongly against it? a strong part of me is kinda against it like 80% as am just wondering what question they wanna ask abt my spouse that i do not know????

my spouse is albeit strongly against it too and believes in the "leave everytin to God"

[pushbrk 12,137]

Now you getting where am drifting at!!!

is it right for someone to frontload after case has been sent to embassy????

That would be back-loading. Front loading is evidence sent with the petition, up front. Sending additional evidence to the NVC is OK, but there is no guarantee it will get forwarded, and then, if forwarded, not guarantee it will be looked at or considered. Taking updated relationship evidence to the interview is a good idea, but there is also no guaranteed it will be looked at or considered. Actually sending evidence to the Consulate or Embassy directly is virtually useless unless specifically requested to do so.

[doshi 1]

That would be back-loading. Front loading is evidence sent with the petition, up front. Sending additional evidence to the NVC is OK, but there is no guarantee it will get forwarded, and then, if forwarded, not guarantee it will be looked at or considered. Taking updated relationship evidence to the interview is a good idea, but there is also no guaranteed it will be looked at or considered. Actually sending evidence to the Consulate or Embassy directly is virtually useless unless specifically requested to do so.

exactly my wife's tot!!!!!

so technically the probability that NVC sends extra documents to prove relationship is very low????

That would be back-loading. Front loading is evidence sent with the petition, up front. Sending additional evidence to the NVC is OK, but there is no guarantee it will get forwarded, and then, if forwarded, not guarantee it will be looked at or considered. Taking updated relationship evidence to the interview is a good idea, but there is also no guaranteed it will be looked at or considered. Actually sending evidence to the Consulate or Embassy directly is virtually useless unless specifically requested to do so.

just to help me clear some stuffs a bit.

does uscis send directly to embassy or they send to nvc and nvc to embassy?

What is the routing of documentary evidence to embassy like?

[EOC 440]

so it is allowed to send extra documents that can prove bonafide relationship that werent sent at the initial USCIS stage to NVC?

I tot NVC had their own schedule of things to send to them that arenot related to docs to prove ongoing and bonafide relationship?

Would it not seem weird to send extra chats and pictures when NVC only gave you an RFI to fix some missing stuff on for 1-864???

Now you getting where am drifting at!!!

is it right for someone to frontload after case has been sent to embassy????

There's no way you can frontload once the mebassy has received your case file. Some people frontload at the uscis stage and some middle-load at the nvc stage. Some people that I know or read their post here, usually add some evidences when they are sending their documents for the IV stuff to NVC. Like few pictures, proof of joint account or property. Not neccesarily phone conversation or email print out.

In my own case we plan to include about 8-10 pictures from our traditional marriage where we took with both families and the registry pictures. I'll take along our email conversations, call logs, chat print out, and all evidences showing and prooving a bona-fide marriage just in case the co has the time to go thru it all. Don't worry just go along with all kinds of evidence to proof to the co at the time of interview. Entry stamps on your passports showing entry and exit of when you both visited each other, plane tickets, boarding passes, monetary transactions like western union or money gram and anything you can think of.

[doshi 1]

exactly my wife's tot!!!!!

so technically the probability that NVC sends extra documents to prove relationship is very low????

just to help me clear some stuffs a bit.

does uscis send directly to embassy or they send to nvc and nvc to embassy?

What is the routing of documentary evidence to embassy like?

because i know when a petition is "refused" after interview the embassy send to USCIS not nvc right???

[pushbrk 12,137]

exactly my wife's tot!!!!!

so technically the probability that NVC sends extra documents to prove relationship is very low????

just to help me clear some stuffs a bit.

does uscis send directly to embassy or they send to nvc and nvc to embassy?

What is the routing of documentary evidence to embassy like?

I didn't say that NVC sending extra evidence to the Embassy had a low probability. Depending on how much, they are highly likely to send it on, but there is no guarantee (saying nothing about probability here) that it will be looked at or considered. I use words for reasons. Interpret literally, not liberally.

The Immigrant Visa Unit at the Consulate or Embassy will "receive" AND "consider" all evidence originally sent with the petition. That original file stays intact, from USCIS through NVC and on to the IV unit. NVC adds to the file before sending to the IV unit abroad. The IV unit can see what was added where, and can choose whether to look at or consider anything not required, that was added at NVC. The Consular Officer is NOT required to consider ANY evidence you wish to add at the interview. That doesn't mean they won't or that it is improbable. They might and they might not. If you want your relationship evidence to be considered, send a carefully considered modest amount with the petition. That is the only thing we refer to here as "front-loading".

Edited May 23, 2014 by pushbrk

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

I didn't say that NVC sending extra evidence to the Embassy had a low probability. Depending on how much, they are highly likely to send it on, but there is no guarantee (saying nothing about probability here) that it will be looked at or considered. I use words for reasons. Interpret literally, not liberally.

The Immigrant Visa Unit at the Consulate or Embassy will "receive" AND "consider" all evidence originally sent with the petition. That original file stays intact, from USCIS through NVC and on to the IV unit. NVC adds to the file before sending to the IV unit abroad. The IV unit can see what was added where, and can choose whether to look at or consider anything not required, that was added at NVC. The Consular Officer is NOT required to consider ANY evidence you wish to add at the interview. That doesn't mean they won't or that it is improbable. They might and they might not. If you want your relationship evidence to be considered, send a carefully considered modest amount with the petition. That is the only thing we refer to here as "front-loading".

Well said.

because i know when a petition is "refused" after interview the embassy send to USCIS not nvc right???

Wrong. When refused it is returned to USCIS via NVC.

[pushbrk 12,137]

Wrong. When refused it is returned to USCIS via NVC.

Also correct. The Consular Officer might hand you a paper that says your petition will be returned to USCIS, but it will get there by way of NVC and not quickly either.

You are getting help from people who actually know how the process works. You would be wise to read, comprehend, believe, then act accordingly rather than to argue.

Edited May 23, 2014 by pushbrk