Why do the ring wing love Israel ?

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I would suggest that people be very careful with drawing conclusions that are based on stereotypes. Focusing on stereotypes to explain a position discredits the position, even if one believes that the stereotype is a 'good sort of thing', as well as being offensive to individuals who find themselves dealing with that stereotype on a daily basis. Arguments will be far clearer if you find the reality behind a stereotype - if there is one - and address your debate from that position. The world is never 'black and white' - there are many variables involved, and not calculating those variables into your discussion will provide a flawed conclusion as well as upset a number of people. So, please be very careful when discussing stereotypes that turn people into a caricature as well as with any other type of discriminatory or derisive label, as that quickly becomes an insult and an obvious TOS violation.

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Wow, so parroting Nazi Germany propaganda talking points is not a TOS violation but rather is something that can escalate into one?

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Hey man, what took you so long? I was waiting for you to pounce on that

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I initially attempted to give you the benefit of the doubt that you were somehow unaware that you were causing offense, and would retract given an opportunity. I now see that your words are intentional and you indeed desire to cause offense. Duly noted. Over and out.

Just because you cannot order your arguments into something coherent doesn't mean you should be shouting for teacher to help you out

My posts in this thread have been complementary about Jews - nobody has been more complimentary in this thread about Jews than me. That is a fact. I wish my own kids had turned out as well as many Jewish kids have

I am making a political argument about US support for Israel, and exploring the reasons for it and rather than engaging in it, you are seeking to cheat by alleging racism

That is cheap

You are Jewish but you don't speak for all Jews and many Jews would agree with me and have agreed with me in the real world

Saying that Jews have a powerful lobby in the US is not a racist statement

Your denial of the power of the Jewish lobby in the US is clearly a nonsense

Now why don't you come off it and stop denying the undeniable and go forward from there.

I am known as a lefty and 80% of Jews are lefties (MSNBC statistic) - and a Jew has never done me any wrong and in fact a Jew gave me a chance and saved my career at a critical stage

80% of Jews vote democrat - is that stereotyping ? It's simply a fact- a statistic - what have you got against that ?

I think it's pathetic to cry racist rather in order to stifle political debate regarding Israel and the US

Edited May 25, 2011 by Alan the Red

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The innuendo of that is quite clear and IS against TOS

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The innuendo of that is quite clear and IS against TOS

What a misunderstood Brit?

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What a misunderstood Brit?

Took you a while to realise - welcome aboard

ps I am an American nowadays and some of my tax money goes to Israel too...

Edited May 25, 2011 by Alan the Red

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Took you a while to realise - welcome aboard

Haha I was reading about the crazy guy's Oct. 21st prediction before I popped backed to VJ

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The Jewish Media: The Lie That Won't Die

By Mark Crispin Miller

It is an old canard. Having been codified in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (forged by Czarist cops in 1905), the lie was sold here by Henry Ford through the 1920s. ("The Twelfth Protocol," proclaimed his Dearborn Independent, "contains the entire plan of Control of the Press, reaching from the present time into the future when the Jewish World Government shall be established.")

In the 1930s, the lie was propagated much more broadly by a loose network of native fascists guided or inspired by Berlin. The best-known of those tools was Father Joseph Coughlin, whose Sunday broadcasts had an audience in the tens of millions, and whose weekly Social Justice had perhaps a third as many readers.

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Today, the myth may be as widespread as ever--and no one is refuting it. Every type of far-right propaganda luridly revives the spectre of the "Jewish media." In a pamphlet and website entitled "Who Owns America?" the prolific neo-Nazi William Pierce, author of The Turner Diaries, tells us that the news and "entertainment media" are "Jew-controlled," which is why they push miscegenation, homosexuality and other race-polluting practices.

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Most of those who think "the Jews" control the media have probably been thus persuaded not by any neo-fascist agitation, but by the systematic rabble-rousing of some big-time pols and their supporters in the press.

The mass distrust of the alleged Hebraic cabal behind the media was first politically exploited at the highest levels by Richard Nixon, who sincerely hated that imaginary clique. He often raved to H.R. Haldeman about those "satanic Jews" atop the networks and the New York Times. Nixon's button-man in the campaign was his felonious understudy, Spiro Agnew, whose paranoid attack on the news media--"a tiny and closed fraternity of privileged men, elected by no one"--was tacitly anti-Semitic.

His animus became much more explicit after Agnew's forcible retirement: "All you have to do is look around and see who owns the networks, who owns the Washington Post, the New York Times," he declared in 1976. "As you look around in the big news business, you see a heavy concentration of Jewish people."

Agnew's assault on Big Media was both conceived and crafted by the young Pat Buchanan. Since then, Buchanan has ebulliently parlayed his media celebrity into a full-time political jihad against the media (among other targets), and has done so with a tang of anti-Semitism so pronounced that even William Buckley finally had to clear his throat.

Mark Crispin Miller teaches media studies at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore.

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Haha I was reading about the crazy guy's Oct. 21st prediction before I popped backed to VJ

Which one ? There are so many. I predict that you and I will die. Of course there will be many who say that is stereotyping all humans - and how can I possibly know that and what is my source of that ridiculous assertion

Such is the Internet

Where do people go for a proper debate in this town ?

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Hey man, what took you so long? I was waiting for you to pounce on that

been busy at work for a change and then we have a storm rolling through tonight, so internet is iffy.

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In fact there is no way a jewish conspiracy could ever form because jewish society is argumentative and divided and debates vigorously - one look at jewish politics informs us of that

That is why Israel is a vigorous democracy

The jewish lobby is not a conspiracy or organised - it is very transparent and honest about it's aims

The only dishonest people in all of this are the ones who try and deny that there is jewish lobby

There are lobbies for Mexican illegals and Boeing and the drug companies and Israel - but the first three can be mentioned and mentioning the fourth is racism - how daft

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Which one ? There are so many. I predict that you and I will die. Of course there will be many who say that is stereotyping all humans - and how can I possibly know that and what is my source of that ridiculous assertion

Such is the Internet

Where do people go for a proper debate in this town ?

The same guy, harold camp. He said his math was off by 5 months.

You do tend to speak in stereotypes occasionally, though I think you do it to make your point contrast more. Anyway I don't think your a racist or a Nazi.

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In fact there is no way a jewish conspiracy could ever form because jewish society is argumentative and divided and debates vigorously - one look at jewish politics informs us of that

That is why Israel is a vigorous democracy

The jewish lobby is not a conspiracy or organised - it is very transparent and honest about it's aims

The only dishonest people in all of this are the ones who try and deny that there is jewish lobby

There are lobbies for Mexican illegals and Boeing and the drug companies and Israel - but the first three can be mentioned and mentioning the fourth is racism - how daft

I shall call you Gingrich.