Will Multiculturalism End Europe?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Maybe this will change your mind.

It's nice to read story's like that one. It shows people in this world are progressing.

[Zero Sum 305]

wth ? You mean they don't let non jews get married in Israel? You would think after all the ####### the jews went through... spanish inquisition, pogroms, holocaust, etc... that if anything they wouldn't be prejudice. It seems like it has had the opposite affect on them, and I can't say that's a good thing for Israel.

Maybe its a parallel to why *some* blacks in the US are currently *overshooting* the whole black identity to seem to *others* as racist themselves.

I think the Israelis will sort out their historical issues in due time, as will most in the black community in the US. Then the only variable left will be the *actual* bigots.

[Danno 1,228]

This is a little hyperbolic.

I'd be wary of buying into the propagandist BS peddled by Danno et al that "society figured this out long ago". I tend to find that this attitude pervades least where multiculturialism is actually present, and most in isolated white communites, where latent orientalist ideologies are allowed to fester.

More liberal clap-trap.

Post your last 4 zip codes and I'll post mine.

IN fact, the truth is more likely to be the opposite of your assertion.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

It's nice to read story's like that one. It shows people in this world are progressing.

Yes, you might want to think about doing some progressing, too.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Yes, you might want to think about doing some progressing, too.

stuff it

[faust-yusov 103]

More liberal clap-trap.

Post your last 4 zip codes and I'll post mine.

IN fact, the truth is more likely to be the opposite of your assertion.

I'm afraid I don't live in the US.

Sofiyya, I thought, was being a little rash in lambasting Europeans en masse for uppity colonial sectarianism.

Living in London, the capital city of historically the world's most uppity colonialists, I felt I was in a rather apt position (literally) to retort.

Liberal claptrap? Well, maybe - but why ought the discussion merit anything greater? What exactly is it that Cameron has said? What am I supposed to be rebuking? Where's the policy or reform? By all means, call me out for making an assertion - it without doubt was one. But attempting to take the pulse of multicultural European metropolises as a whole is by its nature going to be a debate built on subjectivity, anecdotal evidence and waffle.

I'd rather entertain a discussion over the practicalities of cutting public funding to faith schools- though with Warsi in his cabinet and 26 Bishops in the Lords, I highly doubt Cameron would be as eager as I.

[Ken y Leidys 20]

Sounds to me like Europe is what they claim to fear: intolerant, ethnocentric, bigoted, segregationist, dumb and myopic. Not much of a change from who they were before, the folks that started two world wars based on their self-appointed superiority to every place else.

That was my experience there. After my run-in with a group of skinheads (that I didn't back down from) while vacationing there in 2006, I was ready to return to the USA. They can have their Europe/Scandanavia for all I'm concerned.

[Danno 1,228]

That was my experience there. After my run-in with a group of skinheads (that I didn't back down from) while vacationing there in 2006, I was ready to return to the USA. They can have their Europe/Scandanavia for all I'm concerned.

YEah, you coming home with a bad taste in your mouth was probably the normal reaction, of course I have to wonder,

if Europe was riddled with all of those bad things Soffiyya and you spoke of...... one has to wonder why all these outsiders (who would presumably be victims of this stuff) keep coming... and keep staying?

Is it possible the lands that they come from are the same thing... or even worse?

[Ken y Leidys 20]

if Europe was riddled with all of those bad things Soffiyya and you spoke of...... one has to wonder why all these outsiders (who would presumably be victims of this stuff) keep coming... and keep staying?

It was the ex-wife's idea.

My idea was for us to visit Colombia. I eventually visited Colombia...alone!

[faust-yusov 103]

They can have their Europe/Scandanavia for all I'm concerned.

Again, absolute hyperbole.

Denouncement of an entire continent is an outlandishly hypocritical position to adopt in what is essentially a debate on tribalism.

(And I'd in fact missed Sofiyya's reactionary jibe at "Europeans" for starting two world wars.)

[Sofiyya 1,687]

One is necessarily hyperbolic to match the tenor of the OP

[Zero Sum 305]

Hyperbole is great. Reactionary hyperbole not so much. But that is opinion. Europeans have learned a lot. But some have a way to go, like many in our nation.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Hyperbole is great. Reactionary hyperbole not so much. But that is opinion. Europeans have learned a lot. But some have a way to go, like many in our nation.

Is the premise for the thread reactionary? Of course, it is.

[faust-yusov 103]

One is necessarily hyperbolic to match the tenor of the OP

On occasion, yes (rebuking Islamophobic sentiment with an assault on Christianity, for example), but when the discussion concerns itself primarily with the successful intersection of (supposedly) disparate cultures, I'd place a little more importance on refraining from such hysterical backlash - lest we nourish this absurd notion that labels of ethnicity or faith can serve as inscrutable measures of identity (which is sort of the root of all the trouble).

[Sofiyya 1,687]

On occasion, yes (rebuking Islamophobic sentiment with an assault on Christianity, for example), but when the discussion concerns itself primarily with the successful intersection of (supposedly) disparate cultures, I'd place a little more importance on refraining from such hysterical backlash - lest we nourish this absurd notion that labels of ethnicity or faith can serve as inscrutable measures of identity (which is sort of the root of all the trouble).

Perhaps you should reread the title of the thread. My responses seem not at all " hysterical" in comparison