More than a million (illegal) immigrants land U.S. jobs

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I support open borders. Equilibrium would be a good thing. It would cost less, therefore, it benefit the economy overall. Besides, once the populations stop migrating, then one could better decide where to live.

Equilibrium definition, a state of rest or balance due to the equal action of opposing forces.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I vaguely recall seeing it on F.A.I.R., but it might have come from NumbersUSA. So what? Big deal? Who cares where it comes from if the points made are legit? Common sense is common sense no matter where it comes from.

FAIR and NumbersUSA are all part of the same group that has an anti-immigration agenda. While I know you don't care, and have openly stated your position on limiting all immigration, I find it odd that there would even be any VJ members here who themselves have petitioned a spouse be touting about limiting immigration numbers. Immigration for me and not for thee.

Sixth Principle: Immigration Time Out

We must restore moderation to legal immigration. Beginning with the recommendations of the Jordan Commission in 1995, we need to restrict immigration to the minimum consistent with stabilizing the U.S. population.

Overall immigration must be reduced to balance out-migration, i.e., about 300,000 per year while still permitting nuclear family reunification and a narrowly focused refugee resettlement program. A moratorium on all other immigration should be immediately adopted pending true comprehensive immigration reform. We should abolish the extended relation preferences.

Edited January 22, 2011 by 8TBVBN

[peejay 327]

I find it odd that there would even be any VJ members here who themselves have petitioned a spouse be touting about limiting immigration numbers. Immigration for me and not for thee.

American citizens have always been able to bring their foreign spouses to the USA to live. This is an entirely separate issue from open borders and mass immigration in general. You are comparing apples to oranges to confuse the ignorant on an entirely different issue.

[LaL 418]

American citizens have always been able to bring their foreign spouses to the USA to live. This is an entirely separate issue from open borders and mass immigration in general. You are comparing apples to oranges to confuse the ignorant on an entirely different issue.

Overwhelmingly the immigrants coming to the us *are* through family. What else is one to glean from your overall reduction in immigration stance? Anyone other than spouses? That's pretty convenient, if true.

Edited January 22, 2011 by LaL

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

American citizens have always been able to bring their foreign spouses to the USA to live. This is an entirely separate issue from open borders and mass immigration in general. You are comparing apples to oranges to confuse the ignorant on an entirely different issue.

So, getting fat balding old men laid on a regular basis is more important than letting families improve their chances of survival?

[LaL 418]

So, getting fat balding old men laid on a regular basis is more important than letting families improve their chances of survival?

do a search for "hybrid vigour" in the immigration news section and you may have your answer there

Edited January 22, 2011 by LaL

[sjr09 155]

Did you get this from NumbersUSA?

No.

[sjr09 155]

I vaguely recall seeing it on F.A.I.R., but it might have come from NumbersUSA. So what? Big deal? Who cares where it comes from if the points made are legit? Common sense is common sense no matter where it comes from.

We have millions of unemployed Americans, yet we literally continue give away significant numbers jobs to foreigners in an already depressed job market. And not just legal foreigners. Large numbers of illegal aliens continue to enter our country illegally and use fraud to work here without legal authorization along with the illegal aliens that continue to hold jobs they are not entitled to.

It is unconscionable and just plain stupid that our own government's policies does this to its own citizens.

New Report Draws Direct Link Between Immigration and Unemployment for American Workers

by Ira Mehlman

While unemployment in the United States remains stubbornly high (officially 9.4%, but actually closer to 17% when discouraged workers and people relegated to part-time work are factored in), the picture for immigrants is much brighter. According to a forthcoming report from the Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University, some 1.1 million legal and illegal immigrants entered the U.S. labor force between 2008 and 2010. Over the same period, employment for American workers declined by 6.26 million jobs.

In an interview with Reuters, the author of the study, Andrew Sum, makes it clear that the hiring boom for new immigrants - about 35% of whom are in the country illegally - has come directly at the expense of American workers. "Employers have chosen to use new immigrants over native-born workers and have continued to displace large numbers of blue-collar workers and young adults without college degrees," states Sum.

The study finds that employers favor immigrant workers - particularly illegal aliens - because they work for lower wages, do not demand health care and other benefits, and because businesses can avoid paying payroll taxes.

The majority of immigrant workers who entered the U.S. labor force between 2008 and 2010 took jobs that could be done by unemployed American workers. These include jobs in construction, hotels and food services, retail trade, sanitation and cleaning.

The report amounts to a devastating indictment of America's political leadership that has allowed millions of American workers and their families to suffer by maintaining immigration policies that prevent them from gaining access to jobs in their own country.

[peejay 327]

Overwhelmingly the immigrants coming to the us *are* through family. What else is one to glean from your overall reduction in immigration stance? Anyone other than spouses? That's pretty convenient, if true.

Chain migration policies such as we have in the USA are about like a pair of rabbits. They multiply exponentially. Someone always leaves extended relatives behind. At some point a line has to be drawn. If someone cannot live without having this or that relative close by, maybe they should think about not immigrating at all. I don't believe someone has a right to import their entire village with them.

Immigration for immigration's sake is a stupid policy.

When it is government policy to refuse to restrict immigration when there is a labor glut and it harms American citizens and our quality of life, then mass unrestricted immigration is a stupid policy that needs to be ammended.

[Captain Oates 910]

So, getting fat balding old men laid on a regular basis is more important than letting families improve their chances of survival?

The concept of marriage is inconsistent with the concept of 'getting laid on a regular basis'

Ask any guy who has been married say 14 years or much less in many cases. There are a small number of exceptions and denial cases. The shop gets shut up well before that. So punishment for immigration based on these motives is built in and assured - and not by the government.

My first brother in law was fat and bald at 22 so we classic models do not necessarily have those attributes. Come to think of it, the Arizona shooter was fat and bald and 22. Jesus would have been fat and bald and old if his dad hadn't ordered him to be crucified - which apparently is a more acceptable fate in the eyes of the temporarily young and hirsute.

[peejay 327]

So, getting fat balding old men laid on a regular basis is more important than letting families improve their chances of survival?

So...immigration is all about saving and rescuing the world? How many poor people are you going to house and feed at your place? Come on now...give till it hurts.

[Captain Oates 910]

If someone cannot live without having this or that relative close by, maybe they should think about not immigrating at all. I don't believe someone has a right to import their entire village with them.

The USCIS should establish that the would-be immigrant has low regard for his family and has few friends, before approving the application. Only people who think like that and have no social instincts or loyalties, are suitable for integration into US society.

[peejay 327]

The USCIS should establish that the would-be immigrant has low regard for his family and has few friends, before approving the application. Only people who think like that and have no social instincts or loyalties, are suitable for integration into US society.

What's the matter Alan? Can't live without mommy to tuck you in every night or kiss you on the cheek every morning when you leave the house? Isn't that kind of attachment a bit abnormal for a grown man?

Edited January 22, 2011 by peejay

[Captain Oates 910]

What's the matter Alan? Can't live without mommy to tuck you in every night or kiss you on the cheek every morning when you leave the house? Isn't that kind of attachment a bit abnormal for a grown man?

A moot point since she recently died.

[james&olya 1,121]

The USCIS should establish that the would-be immigrant has low regard for his family and has few friends, before approving the application. Only people who think like that and have no social instincts or loyalties, are suitable for integration into US society.

They sure would fit in a lot better with some people on here! And the best part is they would be natural right wingers!