Social Security Num for K1

[ADMIRE MY PS 0]

I have some questions.

[*]1 How soon can we apply for his social security numbe? He got in here on Thursday, with a K1 visa.

[*]2 We are not married yet, but can we apply for his ssn before we get marry?

Thanks,

[mish 0]

I have some questions.

[*]1 How soon can we apply for his social security numbe? He got in here on Thursday, with a K1 visa.

[*]2 We are not married yet, but can we apply for his ssn before we get marry?

Thanks,

I think he can but there will be restrictions...he can't work.

[ameribrit 37]

I have some questions.

[*]1 How soon can we apply for his social security numbe? He got in here on Thursday, with a K1 visa.

[*]2 We are not married yet, but can we apply for his ssn before we get marry?

Thanks,

Give it 10 to 14 days from his arrival and go to your local SSA office with his passport and birth certificate. You have to fill out a form to apply for a new SS card, but before you do ask the clerk if he is on the SAVE database(Just shows that his details have been logged, after his POE). If he is on there then it goes alot smoother. If he is not showing up, give it a couple of days before applying. And no, you don't have to be married. And don't let the clerk tell you otherwise.

[kjenkins86 5]

Depending on where your ss office is, they might not know about K1 holders and that they're allowed to have a ss before getting married so some ppl take a print out from the government website explaining what k1 is and it states there that they are allowed to apply. But it will say "not permitted for work without authorization from department of homeland security' Makesure you safe keep the I-90, very important!

[empyre84 0]

I went in to apply for my ss number on Friday, they didn't know if I was allowed one and tried to look it up with no luck, I had my own print out of their website and the gov's to prove I was entitled to one, the lady at the counter didn't want to see it as she said "it depends on a number of factors...'

She said she will try and put me in her computer anyway... and it worked so I should get my ssn in 7-10 working days.

Just be prepaid to state your case for why you are allowed one. The link on VJ for social security numbers is where I got my print outs from.

Good luck.

[BirdyGirl85 23]

My fiance has been here for 15 days and we are going to go to our local SS office today and apply for a card for him. He doesn't have a copy of his birth certificate with him though. I hope he can still get a SS number without it.

[ADMIRE MY PS 0]

My fiance has been here for 15 days and we are going to go to our local SS office today and apply for a card for him. He doesn't have a copy of his birth certificate with him though. I hope he can still get a SS number without it.

Please let me know how it goes.

Thanks,

[BirdyGirl85 23]

It went fine. No problems or anything. He was asked if he had a birth certificate and he said no, but they were still able to process the request and we were told he will recieve his card in two weeks.

[ADMIRE MY PS 0]

It went fine. No problems or anything. He was asked if he had a birth certificate and he said no, but they were still able to process the request and we were told he will recieve his card in two weeks.

Woah, Congratulations on that. I shall apply for his on Wednesday. Was there any restrictions on his SS card eg "not authorized for employment" etc. At least with an SS, he can get his drivers lic etc done.

Thanks,

[BirdyGirl85 23]

It says on his card, "VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS AUTHORIZATION". He got his card in the mail only six days after we went in and applied for it. I was surprised it came that fast. And yes, I think we will go the DMV fairly soon to talk about getting a driver's license for him. We'll probably wait until we get married first and then go to the DMV since I'll have to change my last name on my driver's license as well.

[VanessaTony 3,567]

It says on his card, "VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS AUTHORIZATION". He got his card in the mail only six days after we went in and applied for it. I was surprised it came that fast. And yes, I think we will go the DMV fairly soon to talk about getting a driver's license for him. We'll probably wait until we get married first and then go to the DMV since I'll have to change my last name on my driver's license as well.

FYI, he probably won't be able to get a licence till he gets his EAD or GC. Just be aware so you don't get too ticked off. Sometimes they'll even let you get as far as the testing and passing everything and say "oh we can't give you a licence" (which has happened to several people). Sometimes they'll give you a licence only valid till the I-94 expires... so make sure you speak to someone who knows what they're doing, tell them he's a K1 and see how you go.

Good luck!

** moved from "K1 Filing & Progress" to " Working & Traveling During US Immigration" as this is relating to a SSN **

OP - please be aware you should now post in here: "Adjustment of Status (Green Card) from Family Based Visas"

Edited November 18, 2010 by Vanessa&Tony

[VanessaTony 3,567]

Sorry. duplicate. Internet froze.

Edited November 18, 2010 by Vanessa&Tony

[I'm Gone 60]

SSA suggests that individuals that have entered the United States with non-immigrant status wait at least 10 calendar days before submitting a Social Security number (SSN) application to allow the Department of Homeland Security time to record entry into their database, but individuals are not required to wait 10 days before applying.

RM 10213.305 Procedure when an SSN Applicant Files for an SSN within 10 Days of Arriving in the U.S or Having a Change in Status:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0110213305

An individual that entered the United States with K-1 status applying for a work authorized SSN must present evidence in person at an SSA office to establish his or her age, identity, and current lawful employment authorized status.

An individual needs to provide at least two documents as evidence to establish age, identity, and current lawful employment authorized status.

Example: If the immigration document, for example, Form I-94, Form I-551, Form I-766, is used to establish work authorization and identity, the alien must provide another document to establish age.

SSA will not assign an SSN or issue a card to an individual that is within 14 days of his or her alien status expiring. Until the 76th day after entry an individual with K-1 status only needs to provide an unexpired I-94 showing current K-1 status to establish employment authorized status for SSN purposes.

Once, an individual that entered the United States with K-1 status has been in the United States 76 days he or she will need another document, for example, Form I-551, Form I-766, to establish employment authorized status for SSN purposes.

RM 10211.420 Employment Authorization for Non-immigrants:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0110211420

RM 10211.025 Evidence of Lawful Permanent Resident (LPR) Status for an SSN Card:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0110211025

Note: Marriage does not affect an individual with K-1 status's eligibility to be assigned an SSN, or issued a card.

SSA accepts all marriage documents issued within the 50 United States, Washington, D.C., Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, and American Samoa.

RM 10212.025 Evidence of Name Change based on a US Ceremonial Marriage:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0110212025

SSA can accept a name change document based on marriage as evidence of the new name to be shown on the card, if the new name can be derived from the marriage document.

Any of the following changes to the last name, using the names shown on the evidence, are permitted:

-- bride takes the groom’s last name;

-- groom takes bride’s last name;

-- spouse or partner takes the other parties’ last name;

-- spouse or partner takes one part of the other parties’ compound

surname;

-- compound name (with or without hyphen) of each spouse’s or partner’s

original surname for either or both parties

Example:

Lisa Foster submits evidence of the name change event, her US ceremonial marriage to Bryan Lee-Walsh. She wants to change her surname to a compound surname, Foster Lee, with only part of Bryan’s surname. Since this new name can be derived from the prior names shown on the marriage document, the marriage document is acceptable evidence of the new name. We may also change Lisa’s surname to one of the following if she requests it:

-- WALSH,

-- LEE-WALSH (or reverse, with or without space or hyphen),

-- LEE FOSTER (with or without space or hyphen, Foster Lee could also

have a hyphen or not have a space)

-- FOSTER WALSH (or reverse, with or without space or hyphen)

-- FOSTER LEE WALSH (in any order, with or without spaces or hyphens)

The marriage document can also be used as acceptable evidence of identity, if it shows Lisa’s prior name (Lisa Foster) and either her age, birth date, or parents’ names, that matches the data on the SSN record, and the marriage took place within the prior two years.

RM 10212.055 Evidence Required to Process a Name Change on the SSN based on Marriage, Civil Union and Domestic Partnership:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0110212055

This is in addition to proof of current lawful employment authorized status.

Generally, a foreign-born person’s legal name is the name shown on his or her immigration document, for example, Form I-766.

When the name shown on the immigration document differs from the name shown on other evidence submitted for an SSN, we process the application in the name on the immigration document as long as the name can be derived from the other evidence, for example, a foreign passport.

If the required documents show clearly different names, we cannot accept the evidence to process the application. In these situations, the applicant must submit evidence showing the same name, or submit evidence of a name change that occurred after the immigration document was issued.RM 10212.001 Defining the Legal Name for an SSN:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0110212001

When requesting an SSN card, the documents presented, as evidence must be either originals or copies certified by the issuing agency. SSA cannot accept uncertified or notarized photocopies as evidence.

If an acceptable evidence document is in a language other than English and no other acceptable document is available, SSA will have the foreign language document translated by an authorized translator.

SSA translators comprise two groups:

-- Field office and Payment Center employees who volunteer their

services as translators

-- Central Translation Section translators who hold actual translator

positions.

GN 00301.340 Authorized Translators Defined:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0200301340

If a foreign-born person has the foreign birth certificate in his/her possession or can easily obtain a copy, he or she must submit it as proof of age. In some situations SSA can accept alternative evidence of age. The alternative evidence of age may be less than a year old, for example, foreign passport.

You can find links to detailed information regarding evidence that establishes age on the SSA Web site:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0110210250

The documents acceptable as evidence of identity are now based on three factors: (1) the applicant’s age, (2) the applicant’s citizenship/alien status, and (3) the relative value of documents.

Primary Identity Evidence for an alien:

-- Form I-551, Permanent Resident Card (includes temporary I-551

Stamp in combination with an unexpired foreign passport when the I-

551 Permanent Resident Card has not yet been issued)

-- Form I-94, Arrival/departure Record in combination with an unexpired

foreign passport

-- Form I-766, Employment Authorization card in combination with an

unexpired foreign passport

Note: Document must be unexpired

Secondary Identity Evidence for an alien:

-- Unexpired valid U.S. driver’s license (excludes licenses known to be

suspended or revoked)

-- U.S. State issued non-driver identity card (issued by the same State

agency which issues driver’s licenses/State-level agency with

issuing authority over the State’s identity card and not expired)

-- Marriage document showing in addition to the applicant’s name

either the applicant’s date of birth (DOB) or age

-- Certified copy of medical record (clinic, doctor, or hospital) or

letter providing extract data from the medical record showing in

addition to the applicant’s name, the applicant’s DOB or age

-- Health insurance or Medicaid card showing, in addition to the

person’s name, either a photograph of the person or his/her DOB

-- School identity card or record (for current school year) showing, in

addition to the applicant’s name, either a photograph of the

applicant or the applicant’s DOB

-- Life insurance policy for the person showing his/her age or DOB.

However, the acceptability of an identity document must be evaluated on a case by case basis by the office processing the application.

RM 10210.405 Evidence of Identity for an SSN Card:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0110210405

RM 10210.420 List of Documents in Priority of Acceptability for Use as Evidence of Identity:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0110210420

SSA cannot accept an application filing receipt or notice of action as evidence of an immigration document, or an immigration document with a “valid from” date in the future.

Exception: SSA can accept an expired I-551 card accompanied by a Form I-797C (Notice of Action) stating, “Your conditional resident status is extended for a period of one year as evidence of LPR status.

Take the required documents to the nearest Social Security office or Card Center. Individuals age 12 or older applying for an original SSN and card must apply in person.

You can obtain the address and directions to the nearest Social Security office from the Social Security Office Locator, which is available on the Internet:

http://www.ssa.gov/locator

Applicants who live or receive mail in the Brooklyn, NY, Queens, NY, Phoenix, AZ, Orlando, FL, Sacramento, CA, or Las Vegas, NV area should apply at their local Social Security Card Center.

Individuals residing in the Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN area should apply at the Twin Cities Card Center.

Card Center Information:

http://www.ssa.gov/cardcenters/cardcenterinfo.html

Normally, an SSN card should be received in the mail within two weeks after the application and required document(s) have been received and verified.

However, when an alien requests an SSN or replacement card, SSA must verify his or her documents/current status with the appropriate bureau of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). If the initial online verification is not possible through the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) system, SSA may need to send a Form G-845 to the appropriate DHS Status Verification Office (SVO) for manual verification.

Social Security field offices can submit an additional electronic online verification, which with the majority of applications eliminates the need to send a Form G-845 along with a copy of the applicant’s immigration documents.

However, some applications still require a copy of the immigration document(s) to be mailed to the appropriate DHS SVO along with Form G-845 for manual verification.

Note: If the applicant has changed his/her name after an immigration document, for example, Form I-94, was issued, for example, married and is now using the married name, but has not obtained a corrected immigration document showing the new name; this is not a name discrepancy for enumeration purposes, that is, SAVE clearance, if the applicant can provide an acceptable legal name change document to establish the new name. The 14-day status expiration limit for assigning an SSN and/or issuing a card applies even if an individual submitted his or her application before being within the 14-day period and entered the 14-day period while waiting for his or her status to be verified.

All cards are mailed from Social Security Headquarters in Baltimore, Maryland to the postal address provided.

An individual assigned an SSN based on K-1 status, will be issued an SSN card with “VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS AUTHORIZATION,” printed on the card.

An SSN card having the legend, “VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS AUTHORIZATION,” only means that t number holder cannot use the SSN card as proof of authorization to work in the United States. It does not otherwise affect the validity of the card or number.

When an individual previously issued an SSN card with “VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS AUTHORIZATION” printed on it has been granted permanent residency, he or she can apply for a replacement SSN card that reflects the new immigration status.

An alien granted permanent residency status is eligible to be issued an unrestricted SSN card and will retain the originally assigned SSN.

Documents that establish lawfully admitted for permanent residence (LAPR)

-- I-551 card

NOTE: Some LAPR aliens have conditional 2-year I-551s (Alien Registration Receipt Card), subject to the limitation that they must apply for removal of the conditional basis 90 days before the second anniversary of the admittance date to the United States. A conditional I-551 is identified by an expiration date 2 years later than the admittance/adjudication date is acceptable proof of permanent residency. For SSN purposes conditional resident aliens are treated as aliens lawfully admitted for permanent residence.

-- Temporary I-551

Temporary evidence of immigrant status is issued for an alien to use

until the permanent I-551 card is received. This may be a stamp in the individual's passport or on the I-94.

-- Machine Readable Immigrant Visa (MRIV) with temporary I-551 language

-- Alternate evidence of LAPR status

Establish evidence of LAPR status if the following requirements are met:

-- The applicant submits an unexpired Form I-766 and on the face of

the card, the Category is, A3, A4, A5, A6, A9, A15,

A16, C9, C16 or C25 and SAVE verifies LAPR status.

DO NOT DO NOT give up the old card until you get the new one!!! If they ask for it say the dog ate it. LOL

[BirdyGirl85 23]

FYI, he probably won't be able to get a licence till he gets his EAD or GC. Just be aware so you don't get too ticked off. Sometimes they'll even let you get as far as the testing and passing everything and say "oh we can't give you a licence" (which has happened to several people). Sometimes they'll give you a licence only valid till the I-94 expires... so make sure you speak to someone who knows what they're doing, tell them he's a K1 and see how you go.[/url]

Yes, I realize those things might happen.. I have heard the license might expire when the I-94 expires... I just thought we'd go and ask at the DMV. I wish we could get some kind of State ID and or State Driver's License for him that is valid longer then the I-94, because we were planning to have our honeymoon in Hawaii in January or February after the holidays are over with, and his I-94 would be expired by then and I would be too afraid to have him fly with an expired I-94 in his passport. That's the main reason we wanted to get a license for him so we can go to Hawaii then. Of course he wants to drive too but the main reason we wanted to get his license this soon was to be able to plan our trip to Hawaii and go in January or February but I know we might just have to postpone our honeymoon in Hawaii until he gets his green card. Oh well. We'll see.

[KayDeeCee 4,892]

My fiance and I went to the SSA office yesterday to get his. At first the woman tried to say he needed the EAD, and began to argue back a little bit when I said he doesn't need that with a K-1 visa. I showed her the paper I printed off from the guides here at VJ (though I don't see that particular paper under the SSN guide anymore), and then she went ahead and typed him in. TA-DA! He was verified, and his card will be here in 7-14 days. She kept the paper, so maybe they will know next time a K-1 holder might happen to go through that SSA office.